An interesting thing that both Bush and Hitler did

[pornguy]

I have been reading the book, " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " This book was written based on the factual papers that were taken after the second world war.

Hitler, with a lot of work, and help was able to get himself appointed Chancellor in 1933. But he was NOT in total control of Germany at that time. He still had to get rid of the president, and the " Congress " So, one of the first steps that he took was to burn the " Reichstag " Which I guess is like congress, and blaming it on the Communist. The day after he did that, he petitioned the President, and got signature for " The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state."

Could you imagine that the decree laid down : Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications;and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.



No, dont this sound just a bit like the partiot act???


Just a rant.
Discuss.

[Serge Litehead]

this "bush" thing wont stop until whole world dresses in stripes under stars.

[Rorschach]

i totally agree, it is history repeating itself... the bush administration is clearly fascist... except they've got more money, global reach and much worse weaponry than hitler ever had.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I have been reading the book, " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " This book was written based on the factual papers that were taken after the second world war.

Hitler, with a lot of work, and help was able to get himself appointed Chancellor in 1933. But he was NOT in total control of Germany at that time. He still had to get rid of the president, and the " Congress " So, one of the first steps that he took was to burn the " Reichstag " Which I guess is like congress, and blaming it on the Communist. The day after he did that, he petitioned the President, and got signature for " The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state."

Could you imagine that the decree laid down : Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications;and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.



No, dont this sound just a bit like the partiot act???


Just a rant.
Discuss.

I've read the first 500 or so pages of that book myself.


Hitler was militant throughout his entire "career" in politics. He was a walking bomb that you could see a mile away.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Huggles

I've read the first 500 or so pages of that book myself.


Hitler was militant throughout his entire "career" in politics. He was a walking bomb that you could see a mile away.

Sounds like you just described Bush as well.

[Herb Kornfield]

The world just keeps getting made more and more nuts. There will be a backlash once the people get tired of the shit were being fed.

[budz]

http://www.youre.nu/?media=dick-cheney-speech&cat=wmv

[benc]

Only problem is every Democrat but I think one voted for it.

[Nydahl]

I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

[Rich]

I can't think of one major difference between Bush and Hitler besides the genocide. Bush's actions have so far mirrored the actions of Hitler during his rise to power.

I've often asked Bush supporters for a couple examples but they just call me an idiot and shove their heads back up their asses.

[pornguy]

I know that they are two different people, but sometimes I think that Bush may have studied Hitler really well before he got into office.

[FunForOne]

Holy shit, call michael moore! This is another opportunity to separate the weak minded americans from their money at the box office.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I know that they are two different people, but sometimes I think that Bush may have studied Hitler really well before he got into office.

Think you meant Reagan. Bush studied Reagan's policies before he got into office.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

Holy shit, call michael moore! This is another opportunity to separate the weak minded americans from their money at the box office.

No asshat. This is fact. A bunch of the crap that flows from Moores mouth is not.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by Rich

I can't think of one major difference between Bush and Hitler besides the genocide.

If only you had a microphone! Wish I could buy you some airtime.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sounds like you just described Bush as well.

No, the basic differences between Hitler and Bush are that if Hitler was in Bush's position, no American Arab would be free. All would be in camps to be exterminated. Iraq would've been nuked and any in opposition to Bush would be attacked.


I would go as far to say that the US right now is in the same position as the Nazis were in 1939. Let's equal the invasion of Czech to the invasion of Iraq, for your argument's sake.


What's next? Do you think Bush will push to invade Iran? Syria? Do you think alliances will form with China-NK-Russia VS say, Japan, America, Britian?


Are we witnessing the beginnings of WW3? The tinfoil hats would like to think so. I don't.


I think that Iraq and Afghanistan will slowly stabilize and that political reforms will sweep through the Middle East over the next decade.


It's North Korea that we have to worry about, although, something tells me that Kim Jong just likes to fuck with the rest of the world and that he's not a serious threat.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by pornguy

No asshat. This is fact. A bunch of the crap that flows from Moores mouth is not.

In all seriousness. (Now I really shouldn't give this away), its one thing to smoke dope at an air america rally and make signs that say "Bush = Hitler", but the liberals who took that public during the last election really hurt the democratic party's chances at getting elected.

Thats really kind of a looney fringe thing to say. Once the democrats were lumped in with that, it really didn't matter what if any policies they were trying to promote. Most busy Americans are alot smarter than that and dont want to waste time with paranoid loons.

[pornguy]

One of the big telling signs about the future of the world, ( as far as Bush is concerned ) will be the end of his last term.

after all he still has the declaration of war.

[cambaby]

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Huggles

It's North Korea that we have to worry about, although, something tells me that Kim Jong just likes to fuck with the rest of the world and that he's not a serious threat.

North Korea is just trying to pressure us into giving them food/aid
the poor bastards are starving, and his only leverage is the nuke issue

if we feed N Korea, they settle down

[Paraskass]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

[pornguy]

Are you saying that in 400 years, Bush will be looked on as a great warrior???

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Paraskass

great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

Most people do acknowledge that Hitler was a fantastic speaker, a great motivator, and obviously he knew a thing or two about war as well. Some people though, usually little nancy boys, refuse to acknowledge those facts simply because it was Hitler and "oh my God he was a terrible man!"

If you do even a little research, it isn't so hard to understand why the Germans believed Hitler and even moreso believed IN Hitler. He fed them, gave them jobs, stability... then pointed the finger.

[goBigtime]

Originally Posted by Paraskass

great post.

I mean why is it ok for Napoleon, Ghenghis Khan, Alexander the Great and many more to be considered awesome historical warriors and conquerers, but not Hitler?

One guess would be - because the wounds are still fresh?

People who lived during the time of those psycho killers aren't still living.

Give it a few hundred years for things to settle & maybe the psycho killers of the future can openly marvel about 'how awesome hitler was' without the backlash they would get today.

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Are you saying that in 400 years, Bush will be looked on as a great warrior???

dont worry. they will have gfy seach mode in tact by then and future webmasters can find out what we really thought of him

[pornguy]

He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

[Mike Okitch]

Whether there is a parallel between "The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state" of Hitler and Bush's patriot act. The patriot act was the reicheous thing to do.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pornguy

He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

Ok good, we've established two clear differences between Hitler and Bush.

[goBigtime]

Originally Posted by pornguy

He was great at millitary actions, and was one of the best speakers the the world has ever known.

His speaking wouldn't have had the impact it did if it were not for the crimes the nazis committed against their own people in order to manufacture support for their actions

Look up Reichstag + Hitler

The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von papen government to offer the position of chancellor to Hitler.


How far would Bush have gotten without the WTC event?

[pornguy]

The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von Papen government to offer the position of Chancellor to Hitler.

No, he was already the Chancellor when that happened.

[TheJimmy]

Schwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbb


yeh, it is scarey and I had seen/read this before...

and Franklin was right, so was Jefferson on these issues of personal liberty and freedom...those fuckers seriously had the crystal ball on tap...too bad the general American population is really cow'd up...

.m00000000000000000

[goBigtime]

Originally Posted by goBigtime

His speaking wouldn't have had the impact it did if it were not for the crimes the nazis committed against their own people in order to manufacture support for their actions

But I suppose some might ignorantly marvel at how that is yet another display of how great of a military strategist he was?

[pornguy]

There are tons of things that have made people this way. We allow others to make our decisions, and then we take what they dish out.

[goBigtime]

Originally Posted by pornguy

The Reichstag fire was created by Nazis and led the democratically elected von Papen government to offer the position of Chancellor to Hitler.

No, he was already the Chancellor when that happened.

Ah... you're right. He was appointed a month before.

Then they set the fires to make it look like there was a communist revolution.

The fires then led to an emergency decree restricting personal liberties.

(which they probably had drafted and ready to go... just like.....)

[xxxdesign-net]

Here's an interesting article written by David Michael Green, professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York... about US news media ..

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/pu...le_17682.shtml

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by Huggles

The tinfoil hats would like to think so. I don't.

lol... Tin foil hats.. mmh.. seems to be the sheeps' favorite expression...

Do some research and educate yourself... A war with Iran is a forgone conclusion according to Henry Kissenger.. You know him..? When he says something.. consider it done

You know about US plan to put weapons in space? Russia already said it would be willing to use force to stop them.. Guess what will China will do...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3b1030dc-c8...00e2511c8.html

[pornguy]

Man. it is not enough to just move out of the country any more. You will have to move off planet soon just to be safe.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

I think we must wait like 300 - 400 years to read objective truth about Hitler.Today he is considered as killer of 49 000 000 people but I am afraid he must have been little more then this.
I am no fan of Hitler but facing the truth - he was very skilled conqueror and he made such a great things in following his new world idea.
I am not saying his idea was good or bad.

While we consider Hiilter to be a horrible person, before then he did some good things for Germany. (Saddam did some good things too.) I think he started off good, but went mentally insane. The good things will never outweigh the horrible crimes he commited against humanity. Never.

That's a great book to read, btw.

[Lee]

I cant believe how you are calling Hitler a good military strategist. Some of his decisions in the Russian campaign were stunningly inept with catastrophic consequences on his own troops.

[Justfuckedmyself]

[NBDesign]

Why even bother discussing it? No one is doing anything about it.

I mean I am no Clinton fan, but shit, he was impeached for a fucking blow job..... this president has done far worse by lying about war... he is killing 1,000's of innocent people. and being called a fucking hero..... WTF is wrong with people?

[Fukeneh]

We Are All Gonna Die! Run For The Hills Folks!

[SuckOnThis]

There are some definite similarities between todays republicans and the nazi party, one being the way they manipulate through propaganda. They both also had/have the idea that it is their destiny to change the world as they see fit. Bush does not use the same ruthlessness as Hitler because he knows other superpowers would not allow it, but I think he and the rest of them have it in them. There are some differences though, one being Hitler was in power for 3 years before attacking his first country, Bush is ahead of that game. And unlike Bush Hitler actually turned the German economy around.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Communism, Terrorism...

Some sorta "ism" is consistant.

[Mike Okitch]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Communism, Terrorism...

Some sorta "ism" is consistant.

"I did have a test today. That wasn't bullshit. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European, I don't plan on being European, so who gives a crap if they're socialist? They could be fascist anarchists - that still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car. Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, 'I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me.' Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus and I'd still have to bum rides off of people."

[reynold]

This Government sucks--Why don't they all commit suicide just like their ill-fated idol...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I have been reading the book, " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " This book was written based on the factual papers that were taken after the second world war.

Hitler, with a lot of work, and help was able to get himself appointed Chancellor in 1933. But he was NOT in total control of Germany at that time. He still had to get rid of the president, and the " Congress " So, one of the first steps that he took was to burn the " Reichstag " Which I guess is like congress, and blaming it on the Communist. The day after he did that, he petitioned the President, and got signature for " The Defensive Measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state."

Could you imagine that the decree laid down : Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications;and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.



No, dont this sound just a bit like the partiot act???


Just a rant.
Discuss.

No, it doesn't. you're an uneducated fool.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

lol... Tin foil hats.. mmh.. seems to be the sheeps' favorite expression...

Do some research and educate yourself... A war with Iran is a forgone conclusion according to Henry Kissenger.. You know him..? When he says something.. consider it done

You know about US plan to put weapons in space? Russia already said it would be willing to use force to stop them.. Guess what will China will do...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3b1030dc-c8...00e2511c8.html

please post the link where Putin says he'll use force against the US putting defensive weapons in space.

Please predict when the iran war will go down so we can laugh at you when the day comes and goes.
You probably won't be here then but I will and I'll be sure to laugh.

[Furious_Female]

In order for a Hitler-like takeover to happen in the US, Bush and his aging administration and his appointed judges etc would have to take over the 50% (or more) of the US citizens who don't support Bush and/or his actions, our allies, and the millions and millions of people in the US who have all learned about Hitler, the Halocaust, every other travesty in history AND our nation of abundance would need to have impoverished living conditions and a major populace of uneducated people. We barely have enough military to control a small country such as Iraq... do you think we have enough manpower to overtake ourselves? Never. Not in a million years. The majority of Americans might be a few fries short of a happy meal, but try to take away their white picket fence, living on credit cards, driving new cars, eating out 4 times a week, 2 vacations a year lives and see what happens. Americans are whiney. We complain about everything. We're spoiled and we're cynical. As of now the majority believes ignorance is bliss... but that's because they are too busy living their cushy lifestyles to focus on the details of an over zealous religious right government.

I think the Patriot Act is indeed an excuse to reaffirm and create new unncessary laws and take away many of our rights, but I also believe we as humans have evolved enough to not let another WWII happen. With all the media, communication outlets, and knowledge we have in this day in age, there are some thing in history that will never repeat themselves or even be close to repeating.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by Furious_Female

In order for a Hitler-like takeover to happen in the US, Bush and his aging administration and his appointed judges etc would have to take over the 50% (or more) of the US citizens who don't support Bush and/or his actions, our allies, and the millions and millions of people in the US who have all learned about Hitler, the Halocaust, every other travesty in history AND our nation of abundance would need to have impoverished living conditions and a major populace of uneducated people. We barely have enough military to control a small country such as Iraq... do you think we have enough manpower to overtake ourselves? Never. Not in a million years. The majority of Americans might be a few fries short of a happy meal, but try to take away their white picket fence, living on credit cards, driving new cars, eating out 4 times a week, 2 vacations a year lives and see what happens. Americans are whiney. We complain about everything. We're spoiled and we're cynical. As of now the majority believes ignorance is bliss... but that's because they are too busy living their cushy lifestyles to focus on the details of an over zealous religious right government.

I think the Patriot Act is indeed an excuse to reaffirm and create new unncessary laws and take away many of our rights, but I also believe we as humans have evolved enough to not let another WWII happen. With all the media, communication outlets, and knowledge we have in this day in age, there are some thing in history that will never repeat themselves or even be close to repeating.

Check out this video..

http://www.apfn.org/Movies/griffin_madison_full_25.wmv
David Ray Griffin, Theologian on C-Span 04-18-05 University of Wisconsin Madison

Take what you want from it.. but it certainly makes you think ...