Cowardly Customers Don't Want Name on Govt Lists - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 05-19-2005, 09:19 AM

The people of the USA are too bashful to publicly support porn websites due to feelings of guilt, moral superiority, fear that church and family will discover their secret sin, and their repressed sexual feelings.

We need to recognize the general public will not carry picket signs supporting PORN, they will not sign petitions complaining about 2257 Regulations, and they will not speak up in support of adult webmasters' rights in government meetings where new regulations and laws are being passed.

Like a teenage boy with a copy of Playboy under the mattress, they will spend the money watching movies and buying memberships; but, they don't want their name on any list. As soon as the Govt starts demanding access to membership records, like library records today, our consumer base will disappear like fog on an hot, summer morning.

If we want our consumers to support our legal efforts, we have to frame the argument as a First Amendment issue, not a porn issue. Secondly, in order to frame the issue as a First Amendment issue, we must have our content protected by the First Amendment. This is a very real possibility we might lose that protection in the near future.

With the Radical Republicans attacking the Federal judiciary in order to stack the courts with their ideologues and remove the powers of liberal judges, we might find our content outside the protections of the First Amendment.

In the past week, I have observed Tom Delay's promise to make case judges "pay for their behavior", Republican congressional staffers calling for mass impeachment, James Dobson's call on Congress to eliminate entire court circuits, and Pat Robertson's statements that judges pose a worse threat than the September 11th terrorists.

What this means is that the support from our industry must come from within the industry itself. It is up to us, webmasters, content producers, etc., to fund whatever needs to be done to protect ourselves. You can't wait for somebody else to do it for you.

As a minimum, every adult company should join and support the efforts of the FSC to challenge oppressive regulations. Every webmaster should have a First Amendment page on their websites explaining the DOJ's war on our industry. Every website should have a link to FSC for their consumers to join the FSC at an individual level and support our cause. Every webmaster should make an effort to at least once a week, write a letter to a newspaper, call a radio station's ultra conservative talk show, or talk to a local TV reporter/news editor about local and national issues.

If you humanize yourselves to your local media, they will respect you as an individual and seek out your opinion when these issues arise in your area. Only you, the members of our industry, can stop this wave of censorship.

It is ironic that "Revenge of the Sith" is opening today accross the USA just as we see our DOJ moving further to the Dark Side. And, today in the Senate, we see Darth Frist daring the Democrats to challenge him with their puny filibusters.....over the appointment of their minions to the Federal Court.

Finally, keep the faith, support all civil rights, and when we pass...Let's leave the USA a free-er country than when we found it.

Fight the good fight!

Redrob · 05-19-2005, 09:59 AM

Just saw on CNN where the Fed Govt is trying to expand Patriot Act to enable govt agencies to access business records without judges' permission... Just wait till they get the ok and se.....

Somebody is knocking my front door down...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-19-2005, 10:23 AM

Gastopo is on the move again.

AmateurFlix · 05-19-2005, 10:53 AM

It might go a long way toward legitimizing sites as being deserving of first amendment protection to put a simple news feed on tgp's and the like. Even something industry related, avn news releases or such, would turn a tgp from what might be viewed as only an entertainment forum into at least partially a legitimate public news source.

Anyone know of something like that which could be incorporated into a site via iframes? Maybe that rss stuff is more suited for this, I have no idea what rss is though.

Who knows, it might even give your visitors another reason to bookmark your site.

SykkBoy · 05-19-2005, 11:02 AM

There is no loyalty amongst porn customers...if they can't go to my site to get their porn fix, they'll go to your or someone else's...they don't give a fuck about 2257, legalities, obscenity or anything other than jerking off....

People are mislead by this whole "mainstreaming of porn" thing...no matter how mainstream it is, people will never want to be around/associated with those who produce it...

They don't want us in their neighborhoods, shopping at their grocery stores or attending school functions with their children....

Just because they use our product, doesn't mean they like or accept US

Mr.Fiction · 05-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Good thread. Make sure that you join the Free Speech Coalition. Even if you already are a member, they can use some extra money right now to fight the 2257 harassment:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/

seeric · 05-19-2005, 11:56 AM

this country fucking sucks. move now. take all your companies to foreign soil. GW is satan incarnate. wait till jeb is president. then gw and the other old bushie will be puppeteering him from the sidelines. sad. so sad.

ProjectNaked · 05-19-2005, 12:01 PM

Great Thread - forwarding it out

Major (Tom) · 05-19-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Good thread. Make sure that you join the Free Speech Coalition. Even if you already are a member, they can use some extra money right now to fight the 2257 harassment:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/

I am a proud member of the free speech coalition!

Duke

Redrob · 05-19-2005, 07:08 PM

Bump for evening crew.

reynold · 05-19-2005, 07:43 PM

Why not try putting anyway!
I totally support the case...

BRISK · 05-19-2005, 07:50 PM

budz · 05-19-2005, 08:17 PM

goBigtime · 05-19-2005, 09:51 PM

05-19-2005, 09:19 AM	#1
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Cowardly Customers Don't Want Name on Govt Lists The people of the USA are too bashful to publicly support porn websites due to feelings of guilt, moral superiority, fear that church and family will discover their secret sin, and their repressed sexual feelings. We need to recognize the general public will not carry picket signs supporting PORN, they will not sign petitions complaining about 2257 Regulations, and they will not speak up in support of adult webmasters' rights in government meetings where new regulations and laws are being passed. Like a teenage boy with a copy of Playboy under the mattress, they will spend the money watching movies and buying memberships; but, they don't want their name on any list. As soon as the Govt starts demanding access to membership records, like library records today, our consumer base will disappear like fog on an hot, summer morning. If we want our consumers to support our legal efforts, we have to frame the argument as a First Amendment issue, not a porn issue. Secondly, in order to frame the issue as a First Amendment issue, we must have our content protected by the First Amendment. This is a very real possibility we might lose that protection in the near future. With the Radical Republicans attacking the Federal judiciary in order to stack the courts with their ideologues and remove the powers of liberal judges, we might find our content outside the protections of the First Amendment. In the past week, I have observed Tom Delay's promise to make case judges "pay for their behavior", Republican congressional staffers calling for mass impeachment, James Dobson's call on Congress to eliminate entire court circuits, and Pat Robertson's statements that judges pose a worse threat than the September 11th terrorists. What this means is that the support from our industry must come from within the industry itself. It is up to us, webmasters, content producers, etc., to fund whatever needs to be done to protect ourselves. You can't wait for somebody else to do it for you. As a minimum, every adult company should join and support the efforts of the FSC to challenge oppressive regulations. Every webmaster should have a First Amendment page on their websites explaining the DOJ's war on our industry. Every website should have a link to FSC for their consumers to join the FSC at an individual level and support our cause. Every webmaster should make an effort to at least once a week, write a letter to a newspaper, call a radio station's ultra conservative talk show, or talk to a local TV reporter/news editor about local and national issues. If you humanize yourselves to your local media, they will respect you as an individual and seek out your opinion when these issues arise in your area. Only you, the members of our industry, can stop this wave of censorship. It is ironic that "Revenge of the Sith" is opening today accross the USA just as we see our DOJ moving further to the Dark Side. And, today in the Senate, we see Darth Frist daring the Democrats to challenge him with their puny filibusters.....over the appointment of their minions to the Federal Court. Finally, keep the faith, support all civil rights, and when we pass...Let's leave the USA a free-er country than when we found it. Fight the good fight!

05-19-2005, 10:23 AM	#3
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05-19-2005, 10:53 AM	#4
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	It might go a long way toward legitimizing sites as being deserving of first amendment protection to put a simple news feed on tgp's and the like. Even something industry related, avn news releases or such, would turn a tgp from what might be viewed as only an entertainment forum into at least partially a legitimate public news source. Anyone know of something like that which could be incorporated into a site via iframes? Maybe that rss stuff is more suited for this, I have no idea what rss is though. Who knows, it might even give your visitors another reason to bookmark your site. __________________

05-19-2005, 11:02 AM	#5
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	There is no loyalty amongst porn customers...if they can't go to my site to get their porn fix, they'll go to your or someone else's...they don't give a fuck about 2257, legalities, obscenity or anything other than jerking off.... People are mislead by this whole "mainstreaming of porn" thing...no matter how mainstream it is, people will never want to be around/associated with those who produce it... They don't want us in their neighborhoods, shopping at their grocery stores or attending school functions with their children.... Just because they use our product, doesn't mean they like or accept US __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

05-19-2005, 11:50 AM	#6
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Good thread. Make sure that you join the Free Speech Coalition. Even if you already are a member, they can use some extra money right now to fight the 2257 harassment: http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/ __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

05-19-2005, 09:59 AM	#2
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Just saw on CNN where the Fed Govt is trying to expand Patriot Act to enable govt agencies to access business records without judges' permission... Just wait till they get the ok and se..... Somebody is knocking my front door down...

05-19-2005, 11:56 AM	#7
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	this country fucking sucks. move now. take all your companies to foreign soil. GW is satan incarnate. wait till jeb is president. then gw and the other old bushie will be puppeteering him from the sidelines. sad. so sad.

05-19-2005, 12:01 PM	#8
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	Great Thread - forwarding it out

05-19-2005, 07:08 PM	#10
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Bump for evening crew.

05-19-2005, 07:43 PM	#11
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Why not try putting anyway! I totally support the case...

05-19-2005, 07:50 PM	#12
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05-19-2005, 09:51 PM	#14
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