Wow. Another outsourcer bashing me. Maybe this is just a plot by lower tiered competition to bash my company and my services to get a competitive edge.

Come on, prime outsourcing. Bring it out in the open

You don't understand, NOBODY was using it before me. A total of 2 were using it months later. A month after I talk to you you're on here touting about this amazing traffic source and how you have a crew ready to pound out the shit required to get it done. Not only that, you knew a little trick that I was alone in using in order to beat the shit out of anyone who might stumble in. After your post the source was pounded to death by the hit and run bastards of GFY and left a fraction of what it had been for over a year. 1 MONTH! A long term profitable stream killed by idiots wanting to make a quick buck but not caring how many people they pissed off on the way. Even assuming you and your all knowing self just happened to find it you still managed to destroy it in no time flat, for the greater good of internet marketing no less.

Still. No details.

Post under your real nick, Champ.

$5 Submissions AKA Gene! You ROCK dude! Your company provides excellent services, dont let a few haters get under your skin, keep up the good work!

WTF kind of ignorant shit is this? Do you really assume I registered a fake nick named chadglni in 2002 so I could bash someone years later?

As for your outsourcing, I've been recommended to you buy dozens of people so I'm sure you do an excellent job. Never heard a bad word about your work period. Again, this has nothing to do with that.

I'm not posting a traffic source again for a round 2 of pillaging.

I won't speak your name again and I'm done with this thread.

You really cant blame anyone but yourself for this traffic source being leaked.

Think of what you did. You told an outsourcing company about an "amazing traffic source" that only you knew about. That is a huge mistake.

Exactly what I was thinking :pimp

This post just told me alot :321GFY

chadglni shared my "orginal idea" with other webmasters
 

I got proof but i cant show it..... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

someone stumbled across my tranny traffic. I only told two people, Lensman and Juicy friuts...

welcome to capitolism, isn't it great. He is doing everyone a favor, everyone he works with and tells about the idea.. while they might make a small amount because of increase of competition, they still make something, so they are happy, and he is happy for selling them services... win win for them... sucks for you.. but that is capitolism...

Gene is a good guy - I don't care what anyone says about him.

You took it the wrong way

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Yeah, it's very hard when you need to hire someone to help you run it though. I've had to do it in the past, and I've done my best to make sure they know as little as possible about the project I am working with. I will say though, and no offence to Gene, when I talked to him some time ago about hiring someone, he was more interested in where the traffic was coming from and how I was converting it, than what I needed one of his people to do. Like I said, no offence at all he seems like a decent guy, and I don't really blame him, I just didn't feel a good level of trust.

Odin, you're a good guy and we've known each other a bit. In fact, you did an article that I requested for justtraffic.blogspot.com re reffy. Sorry if you feel like you can't trust me but as you can see from my past work, we've gone out of our way to produce quality work.

I think this issue is endemic to any situation where you are going to a thirdparty re work that you need done. The issues in play are:

1) what if another client comes to the service provider asking for the same service, what then? refuse everyone except the first guy? Wouldn't this have disastrous consequences?

2) ideas and near-ideas. I think this has been discussed earlier in this thread.

Other than that, its a question of trust. I make my clients MONEY. They point, we execute. If you feel you can't trust a service provider because it means you'll be sharing info, either subscribe to their confidentiality provisions/practices or do it yourself.

LOGICALLY speaking... you shouldn't have started this post if you are worried about competition. For all you know people read his site and say " bullshit" no one makes money doing that... most people who do not make money are skeptics and dont believe much and the people who are making money likely aren't reading blogs on how to make money.

So what you have done here is endorsed him, and you are telling all the skeptics that he is indeed posting ways on how to make 10s of thousands of dollars all be it collectivily. ( your mentioned that in a previous post by him sharing these ideas it is costing people like you that much money, so if it is costing you that someone has to be making it to take it away from you)

So you create thread to flame him and in the process all you accomplish is making it worse for yourself. Hell i make A LOT of money, I might even go read those blogs now :thumbsup

LOL Blog's traffic is BLOWING UP!

I am not saying you absolutely can't be trusted, but just that I have a problem trusting anyone with my ideas. I think you're a good guy, and a smart one. I think you run a good company, and possibly I shouldn't of posted what I said above but it is what I felt. No hard feelings on the issue, and believe me not being able to 'trust' someone with an idea usually isn't an abnormal thing. I guess I felt at the same time that with the idea that was in question it wasn't being used, and an outsourcing company could really put it into action without me, so I didn't feel comfortable with sharing any info.

It should be stating the obvious that without a confidentiality agreement, you should have expected this outcome. If you didn't at least have a verbal promise of confidentiality, I don't think there is even an ethical issue because surely it must have occurred to you that a traffic service would jump at a new opportunity to make money.

As to your premise as a general principle, I think you are totally wrong. It's a cute idea that we are all smart enough to have a flow of good ideas one after another, but it's arrogant and naive. There are always more ideas to be had, even if many are only sparks of ideas, working as part of a group of friends, co-workers, in professional associations or whatever, than sitting alone in splendid isolation. That doesn't mean giving away blueprints of your latest moneymaker on day one: but it's ludicrous how many people in this business jealously guard information which wasn't even useful when it was new and then spend a big part of their time solving basic problems other people found the answers to months or years earlier.

bottom line if you have a source of traffic and you need work done and you have to give up important info to do it, then you better learn how to do it yourself. I am sure there are a lot of things $5 submissions can do for you with out knowing your traffic source or exactly how you get it.

Also, inregards to previous post. Say your traffic souce gets 10K hits a day, thats 10K people that just found out where and in most situations how you advertise. The secrets out one way or the other. ONLY way to make money is to stay 2 steps ahead of the competition by the time they copy you, you've done advanced way ahead of them, they will always chase you. If your idea is that simple and it is copied right away, it will die on its own anyway, and if you are that simple to not know how to evolve it then you probably copied someone else in the first place..Anyone can copy someone but if you are smart and learned the traffic source you can evolve it where as the people who copy don't know it or how to change it.... its not hard to make money, its hard to keep making money. Anyone can be a one hit wonder.

If infact he "stole" your idea and posted it on his blog or offered the service to others why would you NOT contact Gene again and ask him WTF is going, stop "stealing" my ideas and remove it from the blog etc.. ?

not sure if he would have done that but worth a shot don't you think ?

BTW, I help a lot of people make money and i tell them NOT to tell me how they get their traffic. I mean if they have a tgp question it is obvious, but i dont want to know which one, etc.. and how well you did with it, our how you submit, etc... I do not copy/steal from people. Reason why I don't want to know is because I don't want others to doubt me or accuse me. I advertise in several different places on the net, and I am always adding new traffic streams... if you happen to see me show up in your "area" i want you to know that I found it on my own, and only way for you to be 100% is if you never told me.

Some people still dont listen and I have had a few traffic ideas run across me, and i will take them to my grave.. kinda upsets me when they tell me too, because now i refuse to use that traffic source, where as i they didnt tell me maybe one day i would have figured it out on my own ? Intergrity is everything. besides that, just do the fucking right thing. I hate scammers, cheaters, etc..

Yeah i remember when i first started talkin with you. You kindly asked me not to tell you any of my traffic sources. I thought that was weird at first. But after geting to know you for a while i understand why. :thumbsup

Very well said. But sadly very few people know how to share ideas without feeling they are giving away the farm, but the results of brainstorming can be phenomenal. Like any group energy (even two people) the results are often times closer to the square rather than the sum. In other words, two people bouncing ideas off each other can be as effective as what four people would achieve on their own. :thumbsup

Wow...I think you should write a book...

"How to instantly lose ALL credibility on GFY in one post" :1orglaugh

You know what I'd have to say about that. Please don't push buttons... :|

Matt

So that statement was for me? Too funny. If I wanted to say something about you I'd use my own and only account, this one.

Confidentiality with any company offering services shouldn't need to be spoken or agreed to; it should simply be. If someone wants to say otherwise then they're unethical, and slip ups are bullshit excuses, just general ranting..

Matt