It's the same product, albeit with improvements. If you bought the last Reffy version and you supply me with the transaction ID, I'll be happy to update you. admin /at/ fennerty /dot com.

Don't be Jealious

Last bump =)

Referrer spamming worked 2 years ago pretty well. Today, it's almost pointless.

First off, running it from your ISP will just get you booted. Eventually the website owners will complain, and your ISP will get notice of what you are doing. The ISP doesn't want to get blacklisted, and they'll drop you. That's the first pain.

Second, search engines have gotten a lot smarter. They've devalued or completely eliminated links coming from open stats pages (just like they did to guestbook pages). Even if they count the link, it's just the URL. If 95% of your backlinks are in the form of a URL, the search engines will see this as unnatural, and penalize the site. This is no different than if 95% of your links came with the same anchor text.

Another negative is the fact that you have to run it all the time. To stay up as one of the top referrers, you have to continue to run these programs. Your site will drop out of 90% of the good sites within a couple days. Once you stop the spamming, your rankings will drop. It's not a long term solution.

Lastly, there is no anchor text in these links. Anchor text is what works nowadays. You're better off taking the $100 and buying some good links off relevant sites with good anchor text.

Not trying to bash your tool, but it's 2 years too late. You can also get a free copy of a referrer spammer here:

http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2...referrer-tool/

He used to have a downloadable copy available, but now just has the source code. You can probably find it somewhere else, it's called Reef.

A+ for effort, but you have lacking knowledge about PR Storm and/or referrer marketing.

Anchor text for example is very easy to get with the user-agent feature in PR Storm, which works exactly like the referrer part of things. User-agent stats, like referrer stats, are public on many sites, and few or none of the scripts running those stats are parsing out the <> characters. Therefore, you can referrer market not only with your custom URLs as the referrers, but also with HTML links bearing your desired anchor text (<a href=http://mysite.com/>Keywords</a>) as user-agents.

Re: the banning claims, it is actually not a problem to referrer market without arousing suspicion, and the ReadMe file coming with PR Storm discusses this topic and provides ideas and a PHP script in that regard. Further, PR Storm supports proxies.

For the rest, keep in mind the scale PR Storm now supports and the speed with which it sends headers. Less benefits with some SEs doesn't render referrer marketing near pointless as you claim, unless of course you are using some perl, VB, or PHP solution that makes three connections a second at peak efficiency.

You're right, I have not kept up with referrer marketing. That is because it doesn't work well.

Even if you work on other proxies, it just takes a pissed off webmaster to report you to your host anyway. Be prepared to switch hosts regularly, or have your IP blacklisted.

It still doesn't answer the question of having to run this nightly just to keep your links there. It's simply not a long term solution. I wouldn't want to leave for a week vacation and have all my sites go to crap.

Either way, we can end this right here, just provide some samples. If the product is so good, and such a success, I'm sure you have some examples of it working.

TSK TSK TSK, potato island newbies....

He knows his shit about marketing to gullible webmasters like yourself. That's it. There is no such thing as a quick SEO tool to make you rich overnight as all these referer and submit spammer applications do. There's no get rich quick scheme. It's a scam. If it really was legit, worked and was as powerful as they said it was do you think they would even be bothered to sell it? No. They would keep it to themselves and bank on it themselves. Even if it does work, they know that it won't last as google will patch their algo to ignore these types of agressive and dishonnest methods.

How and with what did you try referrer marketing? And what level of free traffic and backlinks per day is sufficient for you to deem it worthwhile?

Like I said, there are techniques to not arouse suspicion at all.

But in any case, no normal host that I know of will can you for referrer marketing. Firstly because I don't think they care about this nonintruding form of marketing, and secondly because booting people for it would open the door to letting anyone shut down any sites on their servers over personal grudges, political differences, and so forth.

You don't have to run it nightly, and your logic that traffic and link increases are no good unless permanent and sealed doesn't make sense at all.

When did I say that it was "so" good, and "such" a success? I'm just saying that it is working, like is obvious to begin with to anyone with half a clue about what a header is and the amount of sites having referrer stats. Quite obviously you are having a personal grudge for some reason, and have registered a new nick so that you can troll in perceived anonymity.

I can vouch for it working. I used reffy in the past with great success. I have a little dating site that I could make around $100/day for several days every time I used reffy. The site is a PR3 with absolutely NO "real" backlinks, just what I got from ref marketing. It took a little trial and error but I think I have it figured out. I don't know "Repetitive Monkey" and I have no ref code. I have nothing to gain by saying that reffy/prstorm works. I just hate to see a brainless idiot bash someone who clearly knows what they are talking about (guess which one you are).

This is great, how many copies u gonna sell?? 1000 ? :helpme

just like those SEO proggies that promise top 10 listings and than sells 50,000 copies of the software :1orglaugh

50...........

I have no personal grudge, just a difference in opinion on how to rank sites long term. I'm certain everyone's techniques vary in this regard. I also believe that referrer spam is not what it used to be. I'm not trying to troll your product, just starting a debate. I'm certain that many people would have a difference of opinion in things that I do SEO wise.

As I said, I just don't see many sites ranking well in Google using referrer spam. Do you have some examples of sites that are doing well? If so, I'd be happy to purchase the product and give it a shot on a few domains.

Sorry if I came across bashing you. Perhaps I'm wrong about referrer spam. I'm always up for debate on tactics and techniques in SEO. No hard feelings.

I said that it isn't a long term approach for ranking a site. You backed up that statement by stating you can make the money when you run it. Do those sites continue to bring in money when you stop using it?

I'm not saying you haven't had success, I just haven't seen it work in awhile. Do you have an example of rankings in Google from a site using referrer marketing?

Why won't you use your real nick?

Yes, I continue to make money even when I don't run it. Free signups convert to paid long after I have run it and I do get some residual traffic from different sources (sources that were found using reffy). There is just a spike about 24-48 hours after I run it.

And no, I don't have an example for you. :1orglaugh
Why would I show you an example of how to use a sub $100 program to make a several thousand % profit?

I have a text file of about 2,238,000 blogs now :thumbsup ( unique and updated within last month )from spidering and harvesting

The program comes with 122,069 :upsidedow

I've got a bunch. Not 2mil but 800K or so. You'll have to hit me up sometime. I'll bet we both have some info or tricks to trade. I have a little script that might help you (if you're not using something similar already. :thumbsup

Drop me a note on e-mail or ICQ and I'll send you an additional 90MBs of URLs for your collections. ;)

well last night I discovered an amazing source, Can get about 400,000 blogs per hour. I am building a deep content site aimed at the type of traffic this brings that I will use in conjuction with these, WOW

Sweet, in two days I just got indexed high in 5-7 different search engines for a non competive low overall volume but amazing conversion ( 1:30 )

Godaddy Refering sites stats:
1: http://www.yahoo.com/ 125
2: http://www.google.com/ 74
4. http://aolsearch.aol.com/ 10
5. http://www.mywebsearch.com/ 7
6. http://search.aol.com/ 6
7. http://search.iwon.com/ 5
9. http://search.earthlink.net/ 5
10. http://www.google.ca/ 3
11. http://search.netscape.com/ 3



(edited to protect my method :) )

Google - 2nd
Yahoo - 1st
AOL - 3rd
others = 2 - 4

Good job well worth the program price =)