All programs have cheaters but how come 50% of 12clicks affiliates are cheaters? - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 05-13-2005, 06:07 AM

I never seen one guy getting "cheated" that much in all my years online.
Just on this board alone there have to be at least 200 people who "cheated" him. And outside at least another 5000.
I bet the money they didnt pay to the "cheaters" can buy one a nice Ferrari or 3.
So why is it 12clicks attracts all these *cough cough* scammers and thieves and cheaters?

Brujah · 05-13-2005, 06:11 AM

He pays per click.

BabeHunter · 05-13-2005, 06:12 AM

intresting...

WiredGuy · 05-13-2005, 06:13 AM

PPC sponsors attract the most cheaters and not so many companies are so public about the number of cheaters out there.

WG

Dirty F · 05-13-2005, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

He pays per click.

I know. But there are tons of companies out there who do that and im sure theyre getting cheated yes but i havent yet seen 1 company have so much problems with cheaters.

Isnt it time to change your business model if youre getting that much cheaters or is it even more profitable to get cheaters because you can keep their traffic and not pay them out?

JamesK2 · 05-13-2005, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

He pays per click.

What he said.

Dirty F · 05-13-2005, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

PPC sponsors attract the most cheaters and not so many companies are so public about the number of cheaters out there.

WG

He is very public, you got a point there indeed. But then again he calls everybody a cheater who isnt on his side. Some of the people he has called a cheater is just pure nonsense.

WiredGuy · 05-13-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

I know. But there are tons of companies out there who do that and im sure theyre getting cheated yes but i havent yet seen 1 company have so much problems with cheaters.

Is there really that many PPC sponsors? I can't really think of many offhand to be honest other than Ron's and AmateurMoney (Lens').
WG

DarkJedi · 05-13-2005, 06:16 AM

I have never seen anybody post that they actually made money on 12clicks program and were happy about it.

Just an observation.

Dirty F · 05-13-2005, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Is there really that many PPC sponsors? I can't really think of many offhand to be honest other than Ron's and AmateurMoney (Lens').
WG

Hmm i dont know actually, im not working with ppc sponsors but i know there were at least quite a bunch a few years ago right?

Sexzity · 05-13-2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I have never seen anybody post that they actually made money on 12clicks program and were happy about it.

Just an observation.

I made 100-200$ per mouths and was happy about the program, until he "forgot" to send my checks.
Never got a mail or anything else. Just no more checks.

polish_aristocrat · 05-13-2005, 06:20 AM

WG, I remember that in the old tranza thread that he posted 1 week ago, YOU also wrote that YOU had some problems with MojoSearch....

I assume they were resolved already since now you seem to be defending him...

Brujah · 05-13-2005, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

I know. But there are tons of companies out there who do that and im sure theyre getting cheated yes but i havent yet seen 1 company have so much problems with cheaters.

Isnt it time to change your business model if youre getting that much cheaters or is it even more profitable to get cheaters because you can keep their traffic and not pay them out?

No idea. I was a "cheater" too, just no idea where or how. However, it turned out for the best. Having to use a new sponsor ended up being over 10 times more profitable and has been ever since. If I were to give 12clicks benefit of the doubt in this situation, you should use the term "cheater" loosely. It could be a completely honest mistake overlooking a strict, changing TOS.

pradaboy · 05-13-2005, 06:26 AM

"We have no cheaters and pay on time every time"

WiredGuy · 05-13-2005, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

WG, I remember that in the old tranza thread that he posted 1 week ago, YOU also wrote that YOU had some problems with MojoSearch....

I assume they were resolved already since now you seem to be defending him...

I'm not defending 12clicks here, just pointing out a few things. I guess you can say the Mojosearch issue was dropped.

WG

WiredGuy · 05-13-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

No idea. I was a "cheater" too, just no idea where or how. However, it turned out for the best. Having to use a new sponsor ended up being over 10 times more profitable and has been ever since.

Ironically I fell into the same situation. Moving from PPC to PPS was the best move I ever did and it was kind of forced on me like this. I was rather naive back then and only wanted to work on a PPC basis.

WG

MickeyG · 05-13-2005, 06:37 AM

bunch of spyware promoting mother fuckers..

BVF · 05-13-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

I know. But there are tons of companies out there who do that

For real? give me a couple. I haven't used a per click sponsor for years...I still miss Silvercash's 11 cents per click back in the day. If that shit was out now, I'd be raping them (without cheating of course).

directfiesta · 05-13-2005, 06:45 AM

because the other half are liberal pussies

Dirty F · 05-13-2005, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

For real? give me a couple. I haven't used a per click sponsor for years...I still miss Silvercash's 11 cents per click back in the day. If that shit was out now, I'd be raping them (without cheating of course).

I already said that might not be the case anymore.

Theo · 05-13-2005, 06:47 AM

12clicks works with instinct and he is always right, so nothing to debate here lol

Shags · 05-13-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

For real? give me a couple. I haven't used a per click sponsor for years...I still miss Silvercash's 11 cents per click back in the day. If that shit was out now, I'd be raping them (without cheating of course).

ddgcash.com

MickeyG · 05-13-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

For real? give me a couple. I haven't used a per click sponsor for years...I still miss Silvercash's 11 cents per click back in the day. If that shit was out now, I'd be raping them (without cheating of course).

Iwantu pays upto $1 per click - give it a try

DarkJedi · 05-13-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

For real? give me a couple. I haven't used a per click sponsor for years...I still miss Silvercash's 11 cents per click back in the day. If that shit was out now, I'd be raping them (without cheating of course).

www.juicybucks.com

www.flashcash.com

chadglni · 05-13-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MickeyG

Iwantu pays upto $1 per click - give it a try

Gotta love the pay per signup programs disguised as pay per click with such secretive terms as "UP TO $1 per click". :rollseyes:

12clicks · 05-16-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by franck

All programs have cheaters but how come 50% of 12clicks affiliates are cheaters?

because children with your limited comprehension imagine that a handful of loud cheaters on a chatboard equals 50% of my business.
The number of cheaters who we've smacked down and now fly strait is a small number, the number of cheaters who I've smacked down and they've gone on to disappear (leaving their posts behind) is bigger but still small.
The number of guys who we *might* have made a mistake with in the early days (like wiredguy) can be counted on half a hand.

the number of jealous haters who hate me being succesful and always right is large. (like franck)

crockett · 05-16-2005, 06:16 AM

He sure seems to have his fair share of drama on GFY that is for sure.. makes you wonder sometimes when so many guys post on here about his closing their accounts and him keeping the money.

I always love the defense these programs use in not proving that the guy was actually cheating, by claiming "he will then know how we caught him". Umm guess what if the guy was a cheat then I'm pretty sure he knows how he was cheating.

Then again, anyone who promotes the kind of spyware that 12clicks operates doesn't deserve to get paid anyway.

12clicks · 05-16-2005, 06:16 AM

oh, and for the record, its almost never "cheated" its always "attempted"

The Bootyologist · 05-16-2005, 07:01 AM

12clicks is a scammer.

Pipecrew · 05-16-2005, 07:11 AM

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...mojosearch.com

is this the program in question? Doesnt look like even cheaters or normal webmasters push it.

12clicks · 05-16-2005, 07:24 AM

oh look! the rabble's up early.
you guys working nights now for the extra .50 an hour it pays?

Chimmy · 05-16-2005, 10:28 PM

I started following some of 12Clicks threads a couple of weeks back. While most of the 'characters' on this board use personas that are likely much different then their off-net personalities, I would be willing to bet that the 12Clicks board character is very similar to his 'real' personality. And his particular personality is quite interesting indeed.

So, what's my point you may ask? First, my 'off-net' personality has me working in the field of Mental Health as a Research Scientist. (And yes, the word 'scientist" is actually in my title). So, any comments back regarding my 'day job' or references to my chronological age, will slide off me like teflon. And no, I have never been one of your affiliates. My experimentation in this industry has only recently begun.

But I digress. My point was that this 12clicks character has a number of interesting personality traits. And I for one would be very reluctant to put much trust in this fella. But before you all say, well that's all pie in the sky psychological babble, I would instead point you in the direction of the company he keeps. I have looked at his various programs, and a very large number of his advertisers seem to be flogging distructive little goodies, which I will fondly refer to as VERY stubborn and destructive adware carriers. So, I am willing to go out on a limb and say, anyone that demonstrates such a low regard for the virtual destruction of other's personal property would likely also not hold the payment of his affiliates as a top priority.

But, to be completely honest, I just don't find him to be a very likable character.

12clicks · 05-17-2005, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimmy

I started following some of 12Clicks threads a couple of weeks back. While most of the 'characters' on this board use personas that are likely much different then their off-net personalities, I would be willing to bet that the 12Clicks board character is very similar to his 'real' personality. And his particular personality is quite interesting indeed.

So, what's my point you may ask? First, my 'off-net' personality has me working in the field of Mental Health as a Research Scientist. (And yes, the word 'scientist" is actually in my title). So, any comments back regarding my 'day job' or references to my chronological age, will slide off me like teflon. And no, I have never been one of your affiliates. My experimentation in this industry has only recently begun.

But I digress. My point was that this 12clicks character has a number of interesting personality traits. And I for one would be very reluctant to put much trust in this fella. But before you all say, well that's all pie in the sky psychological babble, I would instead point you in the direction of the company he keeps. I have looked at his various programs, and a very large number of his advertisers seem to be flogging distructive little goodies, which I will fondly refer to as VERY stubborn and destructive adware carriers. So, I am willing to go out on a limb and say, anyone that demonstrates such a low regard for the virtual destruction of other's personal property would likely also not hold the payment of his affiliates as a top priority.

But, to be completely honest, I just don't find him to be a very likable character.

welcome rabble.

I bumped this thead just so the people actually working in this business could read your bullshit during the day.

instead of spending your time looking at what ads I run (the exact same ads everyone else in my business runs which are 100% legal)
I'd spend my time looking at my detractors and understanding who they are.
Then, if you're half as bright as you pretend to be, you'll understand why there are very few companies who've been around as long as mine has.
But hell, you're one of those high paid scientist fellers, I'm sure you'll come to a different conclusion than the right one.

05-13-2005, 06:07 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	All programs have cheaters but how come 50% of 12clicks affiliates are cheaters? I never seen one guy getting "cheated" that much in all my years online. Just on this board alone there have to be at least 200 people who "cheated" him. And outside at least another 5000. I bet the money they didnt pay to the "cheaters" can buy one a nice Ferrari or 3. So why is it 12clicks attracts all these cough cough scammers and thieves and cheaters?

05-13-2005, 06:11 AM	#2
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	He pays per click. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

05-13-2005, 06:12 AM	#3
BabeHunter Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: 2nd door on the left Posts: 4,063	intresting... __________________ Yep

05-13-2005, 06:13 AM	#4
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	PPC sponsors attract the most cheaters and not so many companies are so public about the number of cheaters out there. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-13-2005, 06:20 AM	#12
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	WG, I remember that in the old tranza thread that he posted 1 week ago, YOU also wrote that YOU had some problems with MojoSearch.... I assume they were resolved already since now you seem to be defending him... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

05-13-2005, 06:16 AM	#9
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	I have never seen anybody post that they actually made money on 12clicks program and were happy about it. Just an observation.

05-13-2005, 06:26 AM	#14
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	"We have no cheaters and pay on time every time" __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

05-13-2005, 06:37 AM	#17
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	bunch of spyware promoting mother fuckers..

05-13-2005, 06:45 AM	#19
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,678	because the other half are liberal pussies __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

05-13-2005, 06:47 AM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	12clicks works with instinct and he is always right, so nothing to debate here lol

05-16-2005, 06:16 AM	#27
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	He sure seems to have his fair share of drama on GFY that is for sure.. makes you wonder sometimes when so many guys post on here about his closing their accounts and him keeping the money. I always love the defense these programs use in not proving that the guy was actually cheating, by claiming "he will then know how we caught him". Umm guess what if the guy was a cheat then I'm pretty sure he knows how he was cheating. Then again, anyone who promotes the kind of spyware that 12clicks operates doesn't deserve to get paid anyway. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

05-16-2005, 06:16 AM	#28
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	oh, and for the record, its almost never "cheated" its always "attempted" __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

05-16-2005, 07:01 AM	#29
The Bootyologist So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: m00dville Posts: 2,912	12clicks is a scammer.

05-16-2005, 07:11 AM	#30
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...mojosearch.com is this the program in question? Doesnt look like even cheaters or normal webmasters push it.

05-16-2005, 07:24 AM	#31
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	oh look! the rabble's up early. you guys working nights now for the extra .50 an hour it pays? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

05-16-2005, 10:28 PM	#32
Chimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 469	I started following some of 12Clicks threads a couple of weeks back. While most of the 'characters' on this board use personas that are likely much different then their off-net personalities, I would be willing to bet that the 12Clicks board character is very similar to his 'real' personality. And his particular personality is quite interesting indeed. So, what's my point you may ask? First, my 'off-net' personality has me working in the field of Mental Health as a Research Scientist. (And yes, the word 'scientist" is actually in my title). So, any comments back regarding my 'day job' or references to my chronological age, will slide off me like teflon. And no, I have never been one of your affiliates. My experimentation in this industry has only recently begun. But I digress. My point was that this 12clicks character has a number of interesting personality traits. And I for one would be very reluctant to put much trust in this fella. But before you all say, well that's all pie in the sky psychological babble, I would instead point you in the direction of the company he keeps. I have looked at his various programs, and a very large number of his advertisers seem to be flogging distructive little goodies, which I will fondly refer to as VERY stubborn and destructive adware carriers. So, I am willing to go out on a limb and say, anyone that demonstrates such a low regard for the virtual destruction of other's personal property would likely also not hold the payment of his affiliates as a top priority. But, to be completely honest, I just don't find him to be a very likable character.