CCBill form hits to Form submissions ratio - GoFuckYourself.com

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 01:54 PM

Any paysite owners like to advice on a reasonable ratio? For us it looks like about 7% submit their info. Is this a very low, avergage or high number?

Thanks for your help

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 02:12 PM

Badabump...

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Badabump...

Should've added PICS in the title

TheSwed · 05-09-2005, 02:53 PM

Bump for a "nybadad" Anna

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

Bump for a "nybadad" Anna

LMAO

But thanks for the BUMP

After Shock Media · 05-09-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Any paysite owners like to advice on a reasonable ratio? For us it looks like about 7% submit their info. Is this a very low, avergage or high number?

Thanks for your help

7% seems pretty damn low unless you have a lot of blind links to your join page.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

7% seems pretty damn low unless you have a lot of blind links to your join page.

Nope, no blind links, just "JOIN BY CREDIT CARD" and "JOIN BY CHECK". Price isn't mentioned anywhere untill the CCBill joinpage though. Probably have something to do with it?

BV · 05-09-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Nope, no blind links, just "JOIN BY CREDIT CARD" and "JOIN BY CHECK". Price isn't mentioned anywhere untill the CCBill joinpage though. Probably have something to do with it?

yes, they are looking to see the price

After Shock Media · 05-09-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Nope, no blind links, just "JOIN BY CREDIT CARD" and "JOIN BY CHECK". Price isn't mentioned anywhere untill the CCBill joinpage though. Probably have something to do with it?

I am sure the number would raise if you did mention the price. Though 7% with join by cc or ck links is pretty damn bad.

corvette · 05-09-2005, 03:12 PM

sites that pass information into our signup forms (ask for a username/pass, email address, etc) will have a much higher form hits to submissions ratio, you may want to distinguish these sorts of sites before you ask for ratio opinions

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by corvette

sites that pass information into our signup forms (ask for a username/pass, email address, etc) will have a much higher form hits to submissions ratio, you may want to distinguish these sorts of sites before you ask for ratio opinions

OK... I am sorry, english is not my first language, but I honestly did not understand the above. How do you mean?

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

I am sure the number would raise if you did mention the price. Though 7% with join by cc or ck links is pretty damn bad.

Can the design of the joinpage have anything to do with this?

After Shock Media · 05-09-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

OK... I am sorry, english is not my first language, but I honestly did not understand the above. How do you mean?

Prior to getting them to the join page have them give up some information that will get pre-filled in on the join page.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

yes, they are looking to see the price

Do you feel that mentioning the price earlier is a better idea?

Relish XXX · 05-09-2005, 03:22 PM

I was worried about this yesterday. I am at 30% of form hits to sucess. I tell them the price before they get to the form.

Check my set up at www.relishxxx.tv

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

Prior to getting them to the join page have them give up some information that will get pre-filled in on the join page.

Ah OK, now it makes sense. Reading it again now I understand... It's also late here in Sweden ;)

Will this increase signups? Aren't some people uncomfortable with giving out personal details before knowing exactly what they get?

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I was worried about this yesterday. I am at 30% of form hits to sucess. I tell them the price before they get to the form.

Check my set up at www.relishxxx.tv

Good stuff, I can see why you get a higher % of form submissions than us.

Here is our site: www.fetishbyanna.com

Bansheelinks · 05-09-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Good stuff, I can see why you get a higher % of form submissions than us.

Here is our site: www.fetishbyanna.com

hi anna:

you may get less hits to your forms if you mention price first, but your % will go way up.........you'll be weeding out those less serious who may get to your page and find your price points too expensive, etc.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

hi anna:

you may get less hits to your forms if you mention price first, but your % will go way up.........you'll be weeding out those less serious who may get to your page and find your price points too expensive, etc.

Yeah, but will it bring in more joins? The % isn't really that important, was just curious. The price is $24.95, not really a very high price point...

Bansheelinks · 05-09-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Yeah, but will it bring in more joins? The % isn't really that important, was just curious. The price is $24.95, not really a very high price point...

No I don't think it would bring in more joins........

I also think your price point is fine. If it was my site, I'd de-emphasize your main pic somewhat and emphasize the flash you have on that page more. I think its those flash pics that would be more attention grabbing imho.

TheSaint · 05-09-2005, 04:19 PM

It seems extremely low to me. I haven't seen any ratios that low on the sites I own or run. The main problem you have is only offering recurring or 6 month subscriptions. A lot of paysites don't seem to be able to figure out that you can boost sales by offering a one month subscription too. A lot of surfers don't trust porn sites and just want to check you out. Offer a better deal on recurring or long subscriptions, but don't demand it.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

It seems extremely low to me. I haven't seen any ratios that low on the sites I own or run. The main problem you have is only offering recurring or 6 month subscriptions. A lot of paysites don't seem to be able to figure out that you can boost sales by offering a one month subscription too. A lot of surfers don't trust porn sites and just want to check you out. Offer a better deal on recurring or long subscriptions, but don't demand it.

Very good point. Never thought about adding a one month subscription... As an aff we were always a bit pissed on sites offering one month subscriptions since surfers often signed up for one month and later resigned for recurring, leaving us with credit for only the monthly SU. Maybe it's possible to set it up so that affiliates can choose if they want recurring only when promoting? Have to look into this. Thanks for the tip!

TheSaint · 05-09-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Very good point. Never thought about adding a one month subscription... As an aff we were always a bit pissed on sites offering one month subscriptions since surfers often signed up for one month and later resigned for recurring, leaving us with credit for only the monthly SU. Maybe it's possible to set it up so that affiliates can choose if they want recurring only when promoting? Have to look into this. Thanks for the tip!

I offer a cheap recurring billing as an incentive to go that way, and a higher priced single month subscription. Amazingly a fair number of surfers still pick the single month. I think its fair to assume these are surfers who absolutely positively aren't going to be recurring members. I also run another site with split month pricing, i.e., $24.95 for one month and then $19.95, still offering a single month signup too.

You make a good point about affiliates concern, but I think their main concern is the size of their check. A mix of single month signups and recurring still generates a better return than the recurring only, especially when people who can't afford more than one month cancel anyway.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

I offer a cheap recurring billing as an incentive to go that way, and a higher priced single month subscription. Amazingly a fair number of surfers still pick the single month. I think its fair to assume these are surfers who absolutely positively aren't going to be recurring members. I also run another site with split month pricing, i.e., $24.95 for one month and then $19.95, still offering a single month signup too.

You make a good point about affiliates concern, but I think their main concern is the size of their check. A mix of single month signups and recurring still generates a better return than the recurring only, especially when people who can't afford more than one month cancel anyway.

You have some very good points there. Will set up a single month option then. Is $29.95 too low, might be better to go with something like $34.95 if you really want them to go for recurring? $34.95 is pretty high though...

TheSaint · 05-09-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

You have some very good points there. Will set up a single month option then. Is $29.95 too low, might be better to go with something like $34.95 if you really want them to go for recurring? $34.95 is pretty high though...

I really could not say for your site what a good price point is, you might try experimenting a week at a time and see what you get. There are few huge sites with low price points and most around $29.95 or higher. Just make the single month option, if you decide to offer it, $5.00 more. I think its a safe bet anyone selecting that would have cancelled anyway after 30 days.

Obviously most sites disagree with me as few offer a 1 month plan, but I doubt many of them have actually done the marketing research on what price maximizes profits, and how a one month signup changes the mix.

It also depends on your hosting cost. For me a lower price maximized sales and affiliate returns, but I get hosting almost free. There is also the human factor. Affiliates balk at pushing low priced sites. They'd rather convert 1:1000 on a $49.95 site then 1:300 on a $24.95 site for some reason.

TheSwed · 05-09-2005, 05:26 PM

I hate sites that have this fucking 1 month non recurring,it just a way to fake that it's a $15 PPS program

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

I really could not say for your site what a good price point is, you might try experimenting a week at a time and see what you get. There are few huge sites with low price points and most around $29.95 or higher. Just make the single month option, if you decide to offer it, $5.00 more. I think its a safe bet anyone selecting that would have cancelled anyway after 30 days.

Obviously most sites disagree with me as few offer a 1 month plan, but I doubt many of them have actually done the marketing research on what price maximizes profits, and how a one month signup changes the mix.

It also depends on your hosting cost. For me a lower price maximized sales and affiliate returns, but I get hosting almost free. There is also the human factor. Affiliates balk at pushing low priced sites. They'd rather convert 1:1000 on a $49.95 site then 1:300 on a $24.95 site for some reason.

Will play around a little with the pricepoints then. Thank you very much for all your advice

Nice to actually learn something on GFY for a change ;)

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

I hate sites that have this fucking 1 month non recurring,it just a way to fake that it's a $15 PPS program

Sounds like we will have to give webmasters the option to choose different setups then... Just have to learn this in the CCBill admin first

TheSaint · 05-09-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

I hate sites that have this fucking 1 month non recurring,it just a way to fake that it's a $15 PPS program

yeah I understand what you are saying, but, it doesn't work that way in real life in my opinion. You can't force a surfer to stay a member who can't afford it or is terrified the wife will find the billing (maybe a small percent but not most). You have to have great fucking content and add new stuff often, and they will retain. I have a young website that earns more in recurring than new signups, so 60% revshare is a lot more than a $15 PPS.

You are still left with 20% to 50% (or more) of surfers who absolutely, positively will not join a site with recurring no matter what. In that case I will take the $15 PPS vs. zero, yep.

Anna_O · 05-09-2005, 06:32 PM

This has been an interesting thread

Going to bed now, but if anyone has more input on the mather, please feel free to share

Good night!

latinasojourn · 05-09-2005, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Nope, no blind links, just "JOIN BY CREDIT CARD" and "JOIN BY CHECK". Price isn't mentioned anywhere untill the CCBill joinpage though. Probably have something to do with it?

yes, this is the reason.

people are hitting the join page just to find out the price.

latinasojourn · 05-09-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I was worried about this yesterday. I am at 30% of form hits to sucess. I tell them the price before they get to the form.

Check my set up at www.relishxxx.tv

there a 3 things to analyze here:

1. form hits (with or without prior price disclosure)
2. forms submissions (is your pitch articulated properly on the ccbill page)
3. approved sales (the scrub rate)

other extenuating factor:

some folks do multiple attempts to signup which skews your %.

BV · 05-09-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Do you feel that mentioning the price earlier is a better idea?

yes i do,
But I like a short tour (2 pages) I sell hard on the first page but nothing about price, my second page i recap and hilight what they will get and for how much and let them select username, password, and payment/ membership.

take a look at my tours, they are all the same formula

cheers,
BV

digifan · 05-09-2005, 08:23 PM

Nice site Anna and good luck with it

Anna_O · 05-10-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by digifan

Nice site Anna and good luck with it

Thanks babe

And a *bump* for more opinions ;)

Anna_O · 05-10-2005, 07:06 AM

Guess this was not interesting enough to discuss more today...

DutchTeenCash · 05-10-2005, 07:12 AM

strawberrysandy did 17,78% this month so 7% is kinda low, totally diff site etc but still 7% isnt much... its a direct signup button no prefill

Anna_O · 05-10-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

strawberrysandy did 17,78% this month so 7% is kinda low, totally diff site etc but still 7% isnt much... its a direct signup button no prefill

Do you mention the price on the tour?

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Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	CCBill form hits to Form submissions ratio Any paysite owners like to advice on a reasonable ratio? For us it looks like about 7% submit their info. Is this a very low, avergage or high number? Thanks for your help __________________ Fetish by Anna Paysite - Nylons Bondage Latex Lesbians Glamour Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP ICQ 246797915

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