Gotta love the way Meta keeps sending his flunkies in to take the heat.

I wonder who will be the next one to surface?

A sponsor program can't survive without credibility, that's a fact. In the past week Studio Cash has officially flushed any credibility they may have had down the toilet, now it's just a matter of time. Luke, if you're actually not another of MetaformX's fake nicks, now would be a good time to start handing out resume's to real programs.

Just to chime in... since we will soon be a public company, our books will be open to anyone that wants to see them :)

Metaform, just give up. Admit you are a liar and move on.

Okay, I see you guys have a big infatuation with numbers :) And rightly so I guess, since this is what all this thread is about, numbers :)

This sig was made on 4/15/05 I think, a while ago. The blacking out part was done to hide the # of joins and traffic, and just show the conversion ratios, since back then we had not disclosed the # of joins we were doing.

this is getting better and better

After you own this guy, I bet asylumN shows up for his beating.

You mean those virtual 200 joins a day? shit...

You guys keep getting deeper and deeper :helpme

Exciting stuff :thumbsup

I give him three more posts before he's shot full of holes and needs to be replaced by the next patsie.

Would it be a lot easier if Lens stuck a couple of these Studio Trash threads?

I mean, everyone will get to see them then and we can get on with something more important than MetaScammer.

Regards,

Lee

Rich, like I said, I am not here for the drama, I have work to do, so I will get going and will check the thread to see if I can answer anyones questions regarding the program. I'm not the drama kind of person, so I will let all you guys duke it out in the wild wild west of GFY. :)

You are entitled to your opinion, that is what this message board is about.

What 'real' webmasters care about is who makes them the most money, plain and simple. I have been in this business long enough to know that, and I think you understand that as well.

I guess I don't quite understand what the big deal is with you. You are saying we don't do 200 joins a day on XGAPE. Meta is saying we do.

And somehow, you think this little 'controvercy' of if XGAPE does 200 joins a day or not is going to stop webmasters from promoting us, IF we have the ability to make them money?

I am sorry, but I think you are a bit naive, and misinformed.

Now again this is all contingent on IF we make webmasters money, right? I mean if the program sucks, nothing else matters, so no one will promote us.

Do you think a program that makes everyone money will suddenly evaporate because you think it should? That is not how the world works.

So we will wait and see what happens I guess. I am not looking for a job, I will be with StudioCash for as long as they want me. They have treated me right from day 1, and I owe Meta alot for that.

Everyone has seen XGAPE, most people, even if they do not like Meta on a personal level, will admit that is one damn good site that should convert.

All of our other sites will be as good or better than XGAPE. You make your own conclusions.

Take care Rich.

obviously not enough work that you couldn't post a short essay first....

:eek7 EEK :eek7

excuse me... :disgust

i only see one that's posting for him, maybe they're one and the same :)

Psychology 101. Any sentence started with the words " To tell you the truth..." or "To be honest with you..." ends with a lie.

:(

The billers as well as NATS give site owners the ability to setup users to their program with specific access rights. Metaformx could just set up an account which would have limited access rights. He could also make it brief, like 5 min access. Just enough time to see daily sales and thats about it. His complaining about giving away his business secrets is pretty funny since he could set this up where he wouldnt give away information like traffic sources, affiliates, emails of endusers etc.

This only sounds like bullshit excuses. I think for 2k he would have gladly provided limited access to verify his stated 200 sales per day.

Ok MetaformX, err, I mean "Luke", so I'm naive, am I? Funny, because you seem to think all this is about how many joins Studio Cash does, you sound like the one who is misinformed. Let me fill you in partner, all of this "drama" as you call it, came about because your "CEO" got twisted around in his own lies. No one cares about how many joins your little program does, people care when program owners try to lie to affiliates.

First he faked a bunch of traffic tests using a bunch of old nicks and got busted badly for it. Fine, rookie mistake, most of us let it go. Then he comes back to explain why he's switching to revshare instead of doing PPS. What he meant to say was something like, we're a new program and we're not able to offer PPS yet, after we test our sites out and get our shit together we'll add a PPS option. Instead, he starts spitting out a bunch of shit about how he's only doing revshare because "smart webmasters" know that's how affiliates make more money, that programs make more with PPS, and since MetaformX is so selfless, he decided to offer revshare only as a favor to affiliates. When people start questioning his logic and, basically calling him on his bullshit, he keeps compounding it by lying about having the money and ability to offer PPS, and then makes it worse by lying about how successful the site is, saying over and over again that it does 200 joins a day and that anyone who does less doesn't have the right to question him. That's what this is about, your "boss" being a liar, it's not about "haters" and it's not about anyone being out to put down your program. There, now you're up to date, you guys can keep trying to spin the situation around as much as you'd like, but the damage is done, tons of people have read what really happened and there's no going back. Start preparing your CV now. You'll only be with Studio Cash as long as they're around, and with each compounding lie it's becoming glaringly obvious that this program will not even get off the ground.

The only questions you're going to get are about the credibility of your boss, and you're not doing a very good job answering them.

god, so much drama so little time

new page, oh the joy....

sorry woj, your bot must need some tuning.

I've never met a man, who told so many lies.
He had a different story, for every set of eyes.
How could he remember, who he was talking to.
I know it wasn't me, and I hope it wasn't you.

101111111111

Dear God this Ownage is getting ugly...

Ok good, someone is counting the number of time MetaformX has lied.

:1orglaugh

someone sum it up in 10 words, what happened?

Oh sure, quote me before I can edit and add the "s" to "time". :winkwink:

"a while ago" ?
"back then" ?

wasn't 4/15/05 like, 3 fucking weeks ago? LOL
You make it sound like 1982

lol.. :1orglaugh

Damm Rich are you on a mission?

I mean if the guy lied or whatever to his affiliates - he will have to pay the price.

In the old days online we all used to piss for days, weeks straight sometimes, but now I am like do a little piss and move on...

Said made 200 sales a day has not prooved it

Not 10 words, but here's my basic summary:


I should add, after all of this, Lenny2 called him out and said he'd give MetaformX $1000 if he'd prove what he said, that he makes 200 joins/day. I volunteered another $1000 to the cause. Of course, MetaformX had another group of excuses and lies about why he couldn't do this. Tomorrow he's going to photoshop more stats to make himself look like even more of a liar, stay tuned.

Here are the two original threads:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=464429

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=465076


It gets more and more pathetic for these guys by the day.

I don't like to let people get away with shit like this anymore. It's happened too many times, a bunch of people don't pay attention and then they end up getting fucked by a crooked program. As long as these guys keep lying, I'll keep calling them on it, and so will a couple other people. It's not right to just let some new program bullshit people on this board. He can salvage some dignity by admitting his lies now and apologizing, but I doubt he has the sense for that.

This thread makes me think of a bleeding cow falling into a pond filled with pirahna and trying to fight them. Futile.

A little bit off topic. But it's gotta be said. Stats comparisons, and claims re such comparisons, are always flawed. There's just too many variables. Currently, the industry is just stuck with word of mouth and anecdotal experience in determining which programs convert and which don't.

It would be NICE to have a legit/official 3rd party conversion validation "authority" but again, no one's traffic is exactly the same as another webmaster's. We're just stuck with localized ideas of which sponsors convert and which don't.

The bottom line is simply this... do you make money pushing his sites? If so, put a sock in it. If you don't, move on. If you don't push his sites at all, then how do you know if they do well or not? If you don't know, why knock it?

I would never, ever open my books to anyone for any reason. That's just stupid. They are HIS books and his books are HIS business.

I'm not sticking up for the guy cause I don't know him. I just think some of you are going off the deep end on him over some dumb shit.

That sounds almost exactly like what people were saying to me when I started warning them about PIB Cash...

I have not read all the drama going on (I don't have that much time) but if he is fucking people out of money, that's something else. I'm just speaking about the stats issue and how many joins he gets. None of that should matter to anyone as long as they're getting paid.