JoeE Fired? What's the real story? - GoFuckYourself.com

Lensman · 01-17-2002, 02:53 PM

JoeE fired according to AVN: http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2001...kinglead.shtml

Is he still an owner? What's going on? I'm sure JB will address the webmaster population on this.

[Labret] · 01-17-2002, 02:55 PM

Someone does not read their own board.

hollywood · 01-17-2002, 02:56 PM

...interesting

rollin2 · 01-17-2002, 03:00 PM

i think he got fucked by his partner

thats what he said on netpond

------------------
Free Adult Hosting! No header Advertising!

Lensman · 01-17-2002, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]:

Someone does not read their own board.

I was going to include the other thread, but felt it was in a different direction.

BradShaw · 01-17-2002, 03:29 PM

Lens, did you not get your "player" e-mail with all the details of what happened?

Maybe you are no longer a player?

Sleepy · 01-17-2002, 03:29 PM

Im kinda expecting some announcement about payouts not being paid due to something Joe did or some other major trouble that will be blamed on him. Anyone else waiting for the other shoe to drop ?

eRock · 01-17-2002, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepy:
Im kinda expecting some announcement about payouts not being paid due to something Joe did or some other major trouble that will be blamed on him. Anyone else waiting for the other shoe to drop ?

Don't say that...

Sleepy · 01-17-2002, 03:41 PM

Your right , bad kharma... http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2001...701_lead.shtml
I missed this one... looks like an all out fist fight is started.

Kimmykim · 01-17-2002, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepy:
Im kinda expecting some announcement about payouts not being paid due to something Joe did or some other major trouble that will be blamed on him. Anyone else waiting for the other shoe to drop ?

No. I'm sure that regardless of any difficulties between JoeE and JB the webmasters will be paid as they always have been.

Mario · 01-17-2002, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eRock:

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepy:
Im kinda expecting some announcement about payouts not being paid due to something Joe did or some other major trouble that will be blamed on him. Anyone else waiting for the other shoe to drop ?

Don't say that...

In reference to the post attached: everything remains the same. Steve Workman will have more information to post as
time goes forward. I can assure all those concerned that no changes to the daily & general operation of the company
and programs it manages has changed and all Webmaster payouts & payments will be made weekly and on time as we have been for the past five years.

Thank you for all your concerns ;-)

Mario · 01-17-2002, 04:35 PM

In reference to the topic:
Everything remains the same. Steve Workman will have more information to post as
time goes forward. I can assure all those concerned that no changes to the daily & general operation of the company
and programs it manages has changed and all Webmaster payouts & payments will be made weekly and on time as they have been for the past five years.

Thank you for all your concerns ;-)

Gary · 01-17-2002, 04:39 PM

dirt=yummy

This is a shame, i had a problem once with CEN putting my account on hold because of a computer glitch showing i had like an 80% chargeback ratio or something stupid like that. I called joe, and problem was fixed a few minutes later.

Hope everything works out for him.

rollin2 · 01-17-2002, 04:44 PM

yeah JoeE is a great guy!

he'll win this battle

Mario · 01-17-2002, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary:
dirt=yummy

This is a shame, i had a problem once with CEN putting my account on hold because of a computer glitch showing i had like an 80% chargeback ratio or something stupid like that. I called joe, and problem was fixed a few minutes later.

Hope everything works out for him.

Gary,
If you ever have any problems, questions, or concerns pertaining to any of the programs you may always email or call me to discuss. That goes for anyone!

Lensman · 01-17-2002, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw:
Lens, did you not get your "player" e-mail with all the details of what happened?

Maybe you are no longer a player?

I've never been a player, just a blue-collar webmaster.

Gary · 01-17-2002, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mario:
Gary,
If you ever have any problems, questions, or concerns pertaining to any of the programs you may always email or call me to discuss. That goes for anyone!

Yes, but Joe sent me a goat for my troubles. Will YOU send me a goat???

Its those little things that make a difference and even though the goat had CEN shaved into its backside, it was still a lovely goat.

The point is, well there is no point its just a nice story of a boy and his goat.

Lensman · 01-17-2002, 04:56 PM

Read the reprint below of JoeE's message that Sleepy posted. Damn, that's some heavy shit:

[Net Management co-founder] John Bennett has violated Joe Elkind?s civil rights. He has locked him out of the company with the help of [corporate attorney] Steve Workman. I HAVE NOT AGREED TO ANY CONTRACTS OR AGREEMENTS, AND NET MANAGEMENT IS AND WILL BE VOIDED BY THE WEEK?S END. Please be advised that all that have been harassed by Steve Workman can join a suit that will be filed Friday for breaking his contract. John Bennett will be also joined in the suit as well as Craig Arjemi for running John Bennett?s Escort Agency last year. Please do not be part of this scum. I have built this company from scratch and many of you have an excellent living due to me going to bat for you. I will continue to run the company and anybody that sides with Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman should know what they are trying to do. It will not work. Steve has made decisions while being impaired and many have witnessed this at company functions and outings. The facts will come to the end and hopefully without a lengthy legal battle, however I am sure justice will prevail. Mr. Bennett DID NOT BUILD THIS COMPANY by himself and was a building supplies salesman for his DAD previously. His DAD threw him out of the house at 35 and I saved his ass. Mr. Elkind has been marketing for 15 years and will continue to do so. In fact I hired Mr. Workman? mistake? I don?t know. But somebody had to save the company before Mr. Bennett openly gave AOL information that led to me being sued personally. Look for more mail and directions. Do not live under the ?gestapo? threats and tactics of Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman. Do not sign any papers without LEGAL COUNSEL! I?ll be back. ;-)))))

The posting continues?

This letter was sent to my employees by me?. Mr. Bennett waited [until the] AOL [lawsuit] was over and has an enormous ego problem and needs to have absolute power. Shit ain?t gonna happen, it?s gonna get nasty and I might need some of you to pull your traffic for a while until I can make sure HE DOESN?T SHAVE YOUR CHECKS. He conspired for 5 months while shaking my hand and went behind my back like the pussy he is instead of talking to me. Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman conspired with MY TRUSTEES OFFSHORE which is illegal. He will be jailed and maybe even worse ;-)) Well I mean cost his ass $$$$$? Whatever happened to MEN in this world? If it costs me all my monies I will not be FUCKED by these assholes.

Otherwise I am siting home and investigating Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman?s offshore money laundering and making sure I DO NOT GET ROBBED

BradShaw · 01-17-2002, 05:04 PM

Lens, just make sure you do not refer JoeE to your lawyers. They are way too slow!

SNOW · 01-17-2002, 06:41 PM

DAMMMMM...Mario please email me man my ICQ is not working right..

[email protected]

See ya

Amputate Your Head · 01-17-2002, 06:45 PM

Damn Bradshaw... you got issues man...

Platinum Dave · 01-17-2002, 09:36 PM

I heard about this dispute between Shaw and Lensman.

Anyone care to tell the story where and why it began?

Constant insults back and forth on each other, kinda ammusing me :-)

I've never met Brad, nothing against him, I know Joe Lensman is definately one straight up dude.

SO whats the issue?

------------------
Platinum Bucks
Platinum Dialers
Cash4Blind
VP, Marketing & Operations

BradShaw · 01-17-2002, 09:49 PM

Lens is bitter;-)

Aek him to scan in the legal papers he keeps talking about.

Kimmykim · 01-17-2002, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman:
I've never been a player, just a blue-collar webmaster.

You look fine in blue, wasn't that the Austin Powers suit?

Geez, guys, get real here. I am quite sure that there are three sides to every story. And in this case I sincerely doubt that any of the three will ever be known on a board.

What's between JB and Joe is between JB and Joe, not every webmaster with a keyboard and a dial up connection.

If your checks don't come, then you bitch.

Gary · 01-17-2002, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:

What's between JB and Joe is between JB and Joe, not every webmaster with a keyboard and a dial up connection.

What about a keyboard and DSL??? Does that make me entitled?

Kimmykim · 01-17-2002, 11:02 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Gary:

Quote:

What about a keyboard and DSL??? Does that make me entitled?

You live on my couch, you oughta know that lie dont fly. Theres no dsl in my neighborhood.

MAFIABUCKS · 01-17-2002, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
You look fine in blue, wasn't that the Austin Powers suit?

Geez, guys, get real here. I am quite sure that there are three sides to every story. And in this case I sincerely doubt that any of the three will ever be known on a board.

What's between JB and Joe is between JB and Joe, not every webmaster with a keyboard and a dial up connection.

If your checks don't come, then you bitch.

AMEN to that SO true....Some things dont need to be talked about..

Brad Mitchell · 01-18-2002, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MAFIABUCKS:

AMEN to that SO true....Some things dont need to be talked about..

I'm not a player's player either. The only individual I've met and have an opinion on is Workman - he's an asshole's asshole. Looks like this will be an interesting story to unfold.

Brad

Hunter · 01-18-2002, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman:
I've never been a player, just a blue-collar webmaster.

yup

:P

------------------
AdultWebmasterWorld
Internatioanl Adult
Webmaster Board

Hunter · 01-18-2002, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
[B Geez, guys, get real here. I am quite sure that there are three sides to every story. And in this case I sincerely doubt that any of the three will ever be known on a board.

What's between JB and Joe is between JB and Joe, not every webmaster with a keyboard and a dial up connection.

If your checks don't come, then you bitch. [/B]

Very Good Point !!!

Sleepy · 01-18-2002, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:

What's between JB and Joe is between JB and Joe, not every webmaster with a keyboard and a dial up connection.

If your checks don't come, then you bitch.

What's between JB and Joe is the business of every person who depends on their program to pay the rent.

Zebra · 01-18-2002, 08:29 AM

Whatever happens between Joe and JB should not affect checks going out. I have talked to several friends in the CEN office and things are running normal there. I have also talked to Joe several times since the news broke. This story is far from over. He may have issues with JB, but CEN is his baby and he would not do something that would fuck the webmasters. To most webmasters out there JoeE IS CEN. If he screws up the companies business reputation he screws up his own.

Remeber when the FTC action hit against RJB (Max Cash)? There were plenty of people who got the rumour mill running strong and helped to distort the story till it looked like RJB was doomed. People who had no idea what they were talking about. Best idea if you don't know the story is to keep your mouth shut. The last thing anyone needs is a fucked-up version of the telephone game where things get further bet out of reality the more rumours are repeated and spread. Whenever this is over the people who spread shit will wish they had not. People in this business have long memories.

[This message has been edited by Zebra (edited 01-18-2002).]

BruceM · 01-18-2002, 10:19 AM

Good post Zebra. Unfortunately that is one of the cons of message boards - there are a lot of people who CANNOT help speculating and starting rumours.

CEN is my #2/#3 money-making sponsor and they have NEVER missed sending a check to me, so of course I am hoping everything is fine, but all I can do is wait and see, and I suggest that everyone else do the same. I was just down in Vegas hangin out with my account rep 10 days ago.

Btw, you also mentioned RJB, my #1 sponsor. Yeah I remember that fiasco, so many people on the Max Cash message board bad-mouthing RB and saying they're taking down their banners. Well I had faith and just waited. That check I got in January was pretty big!

Bruce

------------------
ERASER CASH - Make $45 per sale, 1 in 200 chance to WIN A CAR!
Albion Medical - Awesome conversions selling penis enlargement pills!

Kimmykim · 01-18-2002, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sleepy:
What's between JB and Joe is the business of every person who depends on their program to pay the rent.

While I'm not going to advise anyone on how they should be saving or spending their money, I will say this:

I have no doubt that CEN checks will arrive on time and in full.

This situation has nothing to do with paying webmasters, nor should it.

Sleepy · 01-18-2002, 12:34 PM

"Pay the rent" is symbolic for "paying the bills" and is not intended to be taken literally, .. LOL..

JB and Joe, hope you guys have a beer a figure it out.

kmanrox · 01-18-2002, 12:43 PM

The Fall from Grace....

Lensman · 01-18-2002, 12:59 PM

Having a business partner is a fragile situation, things can be great for years and for one reason or another issues arize. It can be directional issues, business troubles that make one or both crack, feelings of one "carrying" the other, or simply you just don't want to work with other person anymore.

I know, I've had partners in 3 prior businesses and they always started well and done well. But I have always ended up splitting the businesses with the partner or bought out the partner. It's always been amicable, unlike this case.

We have no idea what the corporate form for NetManagement (which replaced CEN) looks like. But if JB can "lock out" JoeE, he must feel confident on a legal basis, maybe JoeE wasn't an owner, who knows? I'm sure we're all a but surprized it went down this way.

SNOW · 01-18-2002, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zebra:
Whatever happens between Joe and JB should not affect checks going out. I have talked to several friends in the CEN office and things are running normal there. I have also talked to Joe several times since the news broke. This story is far from over. He may have issues with JB, but CEN is his baby and he would not do something that would fuck the webmasters. To most webmasters out there JoeE IS CEN. If he screws up the companies business reputation he screws up his own.

Remeber when the FTC action hit against RJB (Max Cash)? There were plenty of people who got the rumour mill running strong and helped to distort the story till it looked like RJB was doomed. People who had no idea what they were talking about. Best idea if you don't know the story is to keep your mouth shut. The last thing anyone needs is a fucked-up version of the telephone game where things get further bet out of reality the more rumours are repeated and spread. Whenever this is over the people who spread shit will wish they had not. People in this business have long memories.

[This message has been edited by Zebra (edited 01-18-2002).]

GOOD FOR YOU good post........

01-17-2002, 02:53 PM	#1
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	JoeE Fired? What's the real story? JoeE fired according to AVN: http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2001...kinglead.shtml Is he still an owner? What's going on? I'm sure JB will address the webmaster population on this.

01-17-2002, 02:55 PM	#2
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Someone does not read their own board.

01-17-2002, 02:56 PM	#3
hollywood Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 483	...interesting

01-17-2002, 03:00 PM	#4
rollin2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 542	i think he got fucked by his partner thats what he said on netpond ------------------ Free Adult Hosting! No header Advertising!

01-17-2002, 03:29 PM	#6
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Lens, did you not get your "player" e-mail with all the details of what happened? Maybe you are no longer a player?

01-17-2002, 03:29 PM	#7
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	Im kinda expecting some announcement about payouts not being paid due to something Joe did or some other major trouble that will be blamed on him. Anyone else waiting for the other shoe to drop ?

01-17-2002, 03:41 PM	#9
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	Your right , bad kharma... http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2001...701_lead.shtml I missed this one... looks like an all out fist fight is started.

01-17-2002, 04:35 PM	#12
Mario Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 5	In reference to the topic: Everything remains the same. Steve Workman will have more information to post as time goes forward. I can assure all those concerned that no changes to the daily & general operation of the company and programs it manages has changed and all Webmaster payouts & payments will be made weekly and on time as they have been for the past five years. Thank you for all your concerns ;-)

01-17-2002, 04:39 PM	#13
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	dirt=yummy This is a shame, i had a problem once with CEN putting my account on hold because of a computer glitch showing i had like an 80% chargeback ratio or something stupid like that. I called joe, and problem was fixed a few minutes later. Hope everything works out for him.

01-17-2002, 04:44 PM	#14
rollin2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 542	yeah JoeE is a great guy! he'll win this battle

01-17-2002, 04:56 PM	#18
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Read the reprint below of JoeE's message that Sleepy posted. Damn, that's some heavy shit: [Net Management co-founder] John Bennett has violated Joe Elkind?s civil rights. He has locked him out of the company with the help of [corporate attorney] Steve Workman. I HAVE NOT AGREED TO ANY CONTRACTS OR AGREEMENTS, AND NET MANAGEMENT IS AND WILL BE VOIDED BY THE WEEK?S END. Please be advised that all that have been harassed by Steve Workman can join a suit that will be filed Friday for breaking his contract. John Bennett will be also joined in the suit as well as Craig Arjemi for running John Bennett?s Escort Agency last year. Please do not be part of this scum. I have built this company from scratch and many of you have an excellent living due to me going to bat for you. I will continue to run the company and anybody that sides with Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman should know what they are trying to do. It will not work. Steve has made decisions while being impaired and many have witnessed this at company functions and outings. The facts will come to the end and hopefully without a lengthy legal battle, however I am sure justice will prevail. Mr. Bennett DID NOT BUILD THIS COMPANY by himself and was a building supplies salesman for his DAD previously. His DAD threw him out of the house at 35 and I saved his ass. Mr. Elkind has been marketing for 15 years and will continue to do so. In fact I hired Mr. Workman? mistake? I don?t know. But somebody had to save the company before Mr. Bennett openly gave AOL information that led to me being sued personally. Look for more mail and directions. Do not live under the ?gestapo? threats and tactics of Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman. Do not sign any papers without LEGAL COUNSEL! I?ll be back. ;-))))) The posting continues? This letter was sent to my employees by me?. Mr. Bennett waited [until the] AOL [lawsuit] was over and has an enormous ego problem and needs to have absolute power. Shit ain?t gonna happen, it?s gonna get nasty and I might need some of you to pull your traffic for a while until I can make sure HE DOESN?T SHAVE YOUR CHECKS. He conspired for 5 months while shaking my hand and went behind my back like the pussy he is instead of talking to me. Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman conspired with MY TRUSTEES OFFSHORE which is illegal. He will be jailed and maybe even worse ;-)) Well I mean cost his ass $$$$$? Whatever happened to MEN in this world? If it costs me all my monies I will not be FUCKED by these assholes. Otherwise I am siting home and investigating Mr. Bennett and Mr. Workman?s offshore money laundering and making sure I DO NOT GET ROBBED

01-17-2002, 05:04 PM	#19
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Lens, just make sure you do not refer JoeE to your lawyers. They are way too slow!

01-17-2002, 06:41 PM	#20
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	DAMMMMM...Mario please email me man my ICQ is not working right.. [email protected] See ya

01-17-2002, 06:45 PM	#21
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Damn Bradshaw... you got issues man...

01-17-2002, 09:36 PM	#22
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	I heard about this dispute between Shaw and Lensman. Anyone care to tell the story where and why it began? Constant insults back and forth on each other, kinda ammusing me :-) I've never met Brad, nothing against him, I know Joe Lensman is definately one straight up dude. SO whats the issue? ------------------ Platinum Bucks Platinum Dialers Cash4Blind VP, Marketing & Operations

01-17-2002, 09:49 PM	#23
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Lens is bitter;-) Aek him to scan in the legal papers he keeps talking about.

01-18-2002, 08:29 AM	#32
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	Whatever happens between Joe and JB should not affect checks going out. I have talked to several friends in the CEN office and things are running normal there. I have also talked to Joe several times since the news broke. This story is far from over. He may have issues with JB, but CEN is his baby and he would not do something that would fuck the webmasters. To most webmasters out there JoeE IS CEN. If he screws up the companies business reputation he screws up his own. Remeber when the FTC action hit against RJB (Max Cash)? There were plenty of people who got the rumour mill running strong and helped to distort the story till it looked like RJB was doomed. People who had no idea what they were talking about. Best idea if you don't know the story is to keep your mouth shut. The last thing anyone needs is a fucked-up version of the telephone game where things get further bet out of reality the more rumours are repeated and spread. Whenever this is over the people who spread shit will wish they had not. People in this business have long memories. [This message has been edited by Zebra (edited 01-18-2002).]

01-18-2002, 10:19 AM	#33
BruceM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 4,084	Good post Zebra. Unfortunately that is one of the cons of message boards - there are a lot of people who CANNOT help speculating and starting rumours. CEN is my #2/#3 money-making sponsor and they have NEVER missed sending a check to me, so of course I am hoping everything is fine, but all I can do is wait and see, and I suggest that everyone else do the same. I was just down in Vegas hangin out with my account rep 10 days ago. Btw, you also mentioned RJB, my #1 sponsor. Yeah I remember that fiasco, so many people on the Max Cash message board bad-mouthing RB and saying they're taking down their banners. Well I had faith and just waited. That check I got in January was pretty big! Bruce ------------------ ERASER CASH - Make $45 per sale, 1 in 200 chance to WIN A CAR! Albion Medical - Awesome conversions selling penis enlargement pills!

01-18-2002, 12:34 PM	#35
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	"Pay the rent" is symbolic for "paying the bills" and is not intended to be taken literally, .. LOL.. JB and Joe, hope you guys have a beer a figure it out.

01-18-2002, 12:43 PM	#36
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,293	The Fall from Grace....

01-18-2002, 12:59 PM	#37
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	Having a business partner is a fragile situation, things can be great for years and for one reason or another issues arize. It can be directional issues, business troubles that make one or both crack, feelings of one "carrying" the other, or simply you just don't want to work with other person anymore. I know, I've had partners in 3 prior businesses and they always started well and done well. But I have always ended up splitting the businesses with the partner or bought out the partner. It's always been amicable, unlike this case. We have no idea what the corporate form for NetManagement (which replaced CEN) looks like. But if JB can "lock out" JoeE, he must feel confident on a legal basis, maybe JoeE wasn't an owner, who knows? I'm sure we're all a but surprized it went down this way.