Jawa...you're so far off base you must be high.

Dear fuckface: I said nothing about anyone being ripped off.


sincerely,
someone who is beginning to think
you are more of a fuckface than
first thought.

Jawa not only doesn't understand the relationship between sponsor and affiliate, he has no understanding of the concept of someone exercising their right to bitch about something.

I would pity him more than anything.

Sure sounds like you were saying they were ripping you off on the no console option. (Nice little thing you guys have going here??)

Did it ever occur to you that you get 30% less because they make 30% less?

And forgive me if you thinking I'm a fuckface doesn't cause me to lose any sleep.

we dont do exit consoles at all on our sites...

I will prolly add one or two to the non-affiliate tours
but thats it

Yeah but you're a 50/50 program.

I don't have any exit consoles or cross sales on my site either.

The console vs no console tour is about per sign up programs.
A revshare program doesn't need exit consoles to make payouts, because they're just paying out a percentage of what the surfer spends at the site.

:2 cents:

Look, Lenny... if you want to talk to me, next time don't come at me right off the hop with your fucking attitude, and I'll gladly address your every concern. But your posts to me smack of attitude just about every time dude..... and with me you get what you give. That's the way it is.

Now, as I've already said I did not say anything about anyone being ripped off.

For clarification, for guys like you, I will say this...... My issue is with sponsors who bury MY surfers with popups. Not a few, but several.... in some cases tons. Enough to crash your computer even. THEN they turn around and graciously offer a no-console option but of course pay 30 to 50% less on commission.

Now, from an affiliate standpoint, If I put up a few listings on thehun tomorrow (and he will ONLY accept the no-console option) and I send 15 or 20 signups to that program, how are those signups any less valuable than if they were sent through popup hell?

Do you... do you see kind of, sort of.... where I'm coming from here?


And AGAIN dude...... sponsors who keep the popups down to at least a tolerable level and don't drop the commission by too much, I have no issue with.

You know, from an affiliate standpoint, there certainly aRE reasons to bitch here. Affiliates make less money than ever before....
TGP's charging for submissions
TGP's and link lists only accept clean tours forcing affiliates to take a lower commission from sponsors
Being Canadian I've taken a 40% pay cut just from the lousy US exchange rate
Submission software, not needed years ago, costs money
Paid submissions, not needed years ago, costs money

I could sit here all day and list the annoyances that go hand-in-hand with promoting a sponsor to make money. Sometimes a good rant is the only way to get things off your chest, and like it or not that's what I'm doing.

The era of exit consoles are almost coming to an end anyway... time to think up something more innovative... :2 cents:

only n00b webmasters care about surfers is my humble opinion

where did you get that funny idea ?

First of all, my first post had no attitude whatsoever. It was after you used the word dumbass that I went off on you.

Secondly, you can't seem to see that those 15 to 20 signups ARE worth less to the sponsor.
Like I said before, if you convert 1 in 500 then that's 499 people the sponsor has a chance to sell something else to, this raises the value per sign up.

Also these "clean" tours usually have no geo-targeting on them either. (TGP's won't allow that, and the sponsors know most of the affiliates using the clean tours are sending TGP traffic)
By not being able to geo-target the tour and send the foreign traffic to a dialer, you again reduce the value of each credit card signup.

If you want to get paid what you're traffic is really worth, send it to a revshare program.

:2 cents:

Popup killers, yes.... being used more and more by surfers.

You just reminded me.... another little tactic some sites use is that they put code on their exit chain to prevent you from being able to "Ctrl-W" to kill each one as it loads. I hate that.

I agree with that. I think M$ or someone else will find a way to block them that our coders can't get around.

You may not be aware of this, I don't know how much you get out and all, but there are several programs out there who have a torrent of popups on their sites whether you choose the partnership OR per signup option. In other words, even with the revshare you still must choose the no-console option in order to promote a clean tour.

Also, in trying to sell to those other 499 surfers, my point here is that sponsors do NOT have to chain ten fucking consoles in order to do it. There are plenty that seem to do quite nicely with only 1 or 2 in place.

Would you say that some sponsors don't pay the affiliate for sales off of those exit consoles?


I have several sponsors that I am 100% certain I am credited with any and all exit signups (barring any incidental shaving that may or may not take place), but I have several that I'm just not certain at all about, with regard to exit sales.