yeah but in alot of cases the free porn sucks and i dont mean that in a good way

I'm glad someone here is bright enough.

With that newbish thinking, Nasty Dollars/Bang Bros must be doing 0 sales/day now! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Same ol' "TGPs are killing us but my business depends on it" thread :1orglaugh

No shit Mr.Fiction!
Go bump the 1999/2000 threads on AWI about the same topic! :1orglaugh

No matter how many products are available there will always be new customers (often not familiar with the competition) who choose loyalty, just ask the cigarette industry.

Thousands of new people enter a bar for the first time every day.

It's just a matter of being the first bar they like enough to become a regular. :glugglug

Exactly, but it's not until you've become a regular of that bar that they begin to give you free drinks and/or discounts...
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this has been discussed like 50 times already, it's a good observation on your part...
but there isn't really any solution to this...

You didn't hit the first bars I went to :1orglaugh

I am a surfer and I sign up to at least 5 sites a month. If you have hot chicks (who you cannot see other places) you will get subscriptions.

The illusion that everyone who surfs for free porn is a potential paying customer is just that, an illusion. There are kids, people from countries the card processors don't want to know about, plus thousands and thousands who simply would never consider paying for porn. Check out your friends and see how few of them ever bought porn mags or rented porn movies, except maybe once or twice out of curiosity.

But the main thing about free porn is that it is the great leveler. Sure The Hun pulls in his million surfers or whatever it is every day, but there are scores of sites with 6-figure traffic and thousands of sites pulling in thousands of visitors daily. People talk as if making free porn go away (even if that were possible) would leave the porn scene exactly as now, just minus free porn. But that simply isn't true. If we could only chase search engine placements or pay-per-click traffic, by the nature of these sources most of us would never get a look in and the traffic market would be dominated by a far, far smaller number of operators. Apart from leaving many affiliates out in the cold, the cost of traffic would rise dramatically, harming sponsors too.

paying for porn is like paying for water. who the fuck... oh wait :upsidedow

well let's go... :winkwink:

I had finished reading the first post and I was thinking the exact same thing, why not give free " censored " ie blurred where they want to see - nipples, cocks, pussies, anuses -they would sign up like crazy. I suppose that all awm should agree to do it, and we would all get a bigger profit, I don't think it is impossible, in this industry we all tend to network when it is for a good cause, and this is a good one.
nik

in a word. GREED. on the adult webmaster side.

good point here, any surfer can become an affiliate :(
nik

Here we go again with what I've been saying for the last 5yrs. I agree with mostly everything you said. Since day , my fhg's are nonnude and/or very limited nudity. Even on my tours, I don't have explicit images. I bust my ass finding my girls and I don't need to give shit away to make a sale. To be honest with you, my best affiliates are the ones that user my teaser stuff, verses, the few topless images I have in the content section. Anyway, I make sales regardless! I'm not a big proggy and I don't claim to be. If the surfer really wants to see your site, they'll pay :2 cents:

You're trying to unring a bell....it isn't going to happen.

Also my take on things is alot different. Here are 2 reasons for the drop in productivity over the years.

1) The influx of foreign surfers to the web. In the early days it was primarily US traffic on the net, obviously this traffic converts alot better than foreign traffic who have no payment vehicle to purchase a subscription for your site. (And most of them couldn't afford it anyways)

2) Shitty members areas. There was a trend a few years ago where sponsors came out with as many "niche" sites as they could, some of them had well over 100. Of course these weren't individual sites, they were just different tours for the same members area that was filled with the same plugin content that everyone else had.
A surfer signs up only to find that the content in the members area is no better than what he can find for free.
Add to that the pre-checked cross sales, hidden charges etc....and after a $100 fleecing for low quality porn, these surfers will never sign up again.

If you want to make money, especially on gallery traffic, you have to have something unique that the surfers haven't seen before.
A $3000 flashy tour just isn't going to do it. You have to sell the steak, not the sizzle.

:2 cents:

I believe there was a 3 page article in either Klixx or XBiz World touching on the same topic, those fucking newbs over there writing about shit we talked about 5 years ago.

I don't remember which mag, cuz being such a newb myself, I just look at the sponsor ads and drool over how much money I can make and how easy it must be to do it, and don't really read any of the articles.

I'd also like to add a 3rd reason

3) Too many paysites.
I know this will make some of you shake your heads, but the problem isn't too many free sites with free content, its too many paysites.
Why did Cybererotica convert at 1 in 50 in 1998? And retain for 6 months?
Because the surfers had nowhere else to go. There were very few porn options for the paying customer.

Now the customer has more choices than he can ever possibly look at. And alot of these choices have unique content, so he can afford to be picky and shop around for the site he likes the best (shitty conversion ratios) and he can sign up for a short period of time and move on to the next site that has different content (shitty retention)

Competition here, just like any other business, is good for the consumer and bad for the business owner.
You can adapt to the current marketplace and make money, or you can whine about how good things used to be while you go bankrupt.

:2 cents:

Look at a gallery as an advert in a magazine add. Only a small sample of what the full site is... with a $4.95/min phone number, or in this case a banner.

Well it would also help
 

If the content and/or fhg were " censored " it will help sales, it will help keeping underage off super explicit porn as well.
I never understood the people that dig for exclusive content to build galleries, etc, fhg should be kinda boring, just so they pay for the content.
nik

it is not so true imho, since for us webmasters, it is the same if you get a sele for site a, b, c, d, f, from the same sponsor or 5 sales on one site for the sponsor, I mean, checks are the same.
nik

They do it so that their galleries will get posted. If you have the same content as everyone else, they usually won't post your gallery, if it's a quality TGP. Because they want to keep their return customers, and if the surfer keeps seeing the same shit time after time, he won't come back.

That is the way it should be
 

I would like all surfers to see the same shit over and over and buy it! This is marketing , not charity, and quality TGPs should write reviews, put quality links, just NOT the content.
nik

as soon as I read the first sentence, I didn't need to read any further.

I'm not hurtin and I give away a GANG of shit for free. It just gets better every year.

I cannot complain, but surely we will all do better - wouldn't you like to sell even more? -

Of course I would..But I can't complain about something that I have no control over...So I focus on hard work, adaptation, and innovation.

I agree on all those, but I would add networking, even governments protect their industries, why we shouldn't protect ours?
nik

i hate it when someone posts the same thing that i was about to :1orglaugh

Many years too late and changing it now? That willl never happen.

Yah, original thinking is hard to find here...
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