Remind the Republicans of the Seperation of Church & State! - GoFuckYourself.com

Centurion · 04-24-2005, 11:52 PM

"Conservative Christian leaders used a nationally televised rally Sunday night to urge an end to Democratic filibusters against several of President Bush's nominees for federal judgeships."

"In the rally, sponsored by the Family Research Council, one of the leaders called the congressional tactic of delaying debate, or blocking legislation, "judicial tyranny to people of faith."

"The future of democracy and ordered liberty actually depends on the outcome of this struggle," Focus on the Family founder James Dobson told the crowd at the "Justice Sunday" rally at a church in Louisville, Kentucky."

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The future of democracy depends on WHAT TYPE OF JUDGES WE APPOINT? WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE MANURE!

It's time to tell the Christian right to take their sick agenda and keep it in the CHURCH where it belongs..not in our government!

And it's time for the American people to tell the retard Repubs that religion does not belong in the governing of this country!

Sick sick SICK of those who profess to be "CHRISTIAN!"

WarChild · 04-24-2005, 11:55 PM

What is this fictious "Seperation of Church and State" that you're talking about? Where did you get those words? Do you think there's a law that states that or something?

Jace · 04-24-2005, 11:56 PM

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Anytime religion is mentioned within the confines of government today people cry, "Separation of Church and State". Many people think this statement appears in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution and therefore must be strictly enforced. However, the words: "separation", "church", and "state" do not even appear in the first amendment. The first amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The statement about a wall of separation between church and state was made in a letter on January 1, 1802, by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut. The congregation heard a widespread rumor that the Congregationalists, another denomination, were to become the national religion. This was very alarming to people who knew about religious persecution in England by the state established church. Jefferson made it clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to men how to worship God. Jefferson's letter from which the phrase "separation of church and state" was taken affirmed first amendment rights. Jefferson wrote:

I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. (1)

read more here http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

Centurion · 04-24-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

What is this fictious "Seperation of Curch and State" that you're talking about? Where did you get those words? Do you think there's a law that states that or something?

I know it is INHERENT in our political landscape & political beliefs that are country was founded on.

WarChild · 04-24-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JaceXXX

read more here http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

Ahh you should have let me bait him in to being a fool. Spoil sport!

Centurion · 04-24-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

What is this fictious "Seperation of Church and State" that you're talking about? Where did you get those words? Do you think there's a law that states that or something?

Do you then support ACTIVIST Religious Right leaders dictating government policy?

Centurion · 04-24-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Ahh you should have let me bait him in to being a fool. Spoil sport!

Yeah yeah..heard it all before..ain't in the constitution etc.
BFD!

WarChild · 04-25-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

I know it is INHERENT in our political landscape & political beliefs that are country was founded on.

That's funny, I thought your country and laws were basically founded in Religion to begin with.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Every President with the exception of I think only two have been religious.

Does your official currency not have written "In God We Trust" upon the back of it?

Where is this inherent seperation you're speaking of?

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

That's funny, I thought your country and laws were basically founded in Religion to begin with.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Every President with the exception of I think only two have been religious.

Does your official currency not have written "In God We Trust" upon the back of it?

Where is this inherent seperation you're speaking of?

You're catching on! Just because those items exist, do not mean they SHOULD!

Nice try with the red herring there.

WarChild · 04-25-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

You're catching on! Just because those items exist, do not mean they SHOULD!

Nice try with the red herring there.

I agree with you that the interest of all of the people would be best served with a true seperation of Church and State. I'm just pointing out that there never really has been.

I said it in a thread yesterday, and it's worth saying again. There's a large chunk of land populated by highly religious people. It's called America and it lays between New York and L.A.

There's a reason I don't live in the States, even though I could.

bringer · 04-25-2005, 12:08 AM

this thread is boring

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I agree with you that the interest of all of the people would be best served with a true seperation of Church and State. I'm just pointing out that there never really has been.

I said it in a thread yesterday, and it's worth saying again. There's a large chunk of land populated by highly religious people. It's called America and it lays between New York and L.A.

There's a reason I don't live in the States, even though I could.

I think it's much more concentrated in the southeast and southern plains/midwestern states..not New England, industrialized states like Michigan & Ohio, or Illinois even. Then there is the West Coast with Nevada, Arizona New Mexico, and Colorado that are a lot more moderate in their views than is popularly believed.

TheJimmy · 04-25-2005, 12:17 AM

doncha just love the christian taliban...

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy

doncha just love the christian taliban...

Damn good way of picturing them..and very true to character.
There's just so many big ass women with big hair though that ain't gonna fit well in those beekeeper outfits!

spunkmaster · 04-25-2005, 12:20 AM

Just a small problem though.

Clinton, Gore and Kerry all campaigned in churches which is illegal
so the so called right doesn't have a lock on it !

bringer · 04-25-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Just a small problem though.

Clinton, Gore and Kerry all campaigned in churches which is illegal
so the so called right doesn't have a lock on it !

Centurion disagrees with religion and thanks anyone who practices it is an idiot and should be stopped. Christians voicing their political views publicly always gets this bullshit argument about separation of church and state. people are just afraid of them because they have proven themselves to be the majority and that scares a lot of people.

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer

Centurion disagrees with religion and thanks anyone who practices it is an idiot and should be stopped. Christians voicing their political views publicly always gets this bullshit argument about separation of church and state. people are just afraid of them because they have proven themselves to be the majority and that scares alot of people.

That's what I love about GFY. No one EVER takes and pulls something out of thin air with conclusions like the above!

Christians are the majority of WHAT?

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Just a small problem though.

Clinton, Gore and Kerry all campaigned in churches which is illegal
so the so called right doesn't have a lock on it !

Yeah..but theirs was more like a misdemeanor, and the 'pubs are commiting felonies!

ThunderBalls · 04-25-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

That's funny, I thought your country and laws were basically founded in Religion to begin with.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Every President with the exception of I think only two have been religious.

Does your official currency not have written "In God We Trust" upon the back of it?

Where is this inherent seperation you're speaking of?

God and religion are two different things, to believe in God does not make one religious.

bringer · 04-25-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

That's what I love about GFY. No one EVER takes and pulls something out of thin air with conclusions like the above!

Christians are the majority of WHAT?

the majority of the voting population is faith based. not specifically Christian, but the same people who go to these rallies for bush. bush's win was thanks to the church and the morons in it. i may not agree with their beliefs but i dont think they should be silenced because i disagree with their message. people should be allowed to goto church AND be able to voice their political views rather then a "pick only one" system like this thread implys.

jawanda · 04-25-2005, 12:44 AM

Having religious people in office is just fine by me, in fact I like knowing that I have a leader who believes in some form of higher power. However, when those leaders try to pass laws that are based SOLELY (regardless of how you sugar-coat it) upon those beliefs, to the point of forcing others to change their ways in order to conform to the rules of their church, that just pisses me off. Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc. These are issues that are inherently spiritual and should be treated as such.

To ban gay marriage or abortion would be to force your relgious beliefs upon another using the law as your weapon. It is a slap in freedom's face, and something which every American should be afraid of.

I admit that it's a slippery slope, and both sides have their valid points (Except for with Gay Marriage - Right-wingers who want to put a Constitutional ban on it are just plane ignorant), but this is my opinion on the subject.

bringer · 04-25-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jawanda

Having religious people in office is just fine by me, in fact I like knowing that I have a leader who believes in some form of higher power. However, when those leaders try to pass laws that are based SOLELY (regardless of how you sugar-coat it) upon those beliefs, to the point of forcing others to change their ways in order to conform to the rules of their church, that just pisses me off. Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc. These are issues that are inherently spiritual and should be treated as such.

To ban gay marriage or abortion would be to force your relgious beliefs upon another using the law as your weapon. It is a slap in freedom's face, and something which every American should be afraid of.

I admit that it's a slippery slope, and both sides have their valid points (Except for with Gay Marriage - Right-wingers who want to put a Constitutional ban on it are just plane ignorant), but this is my opinion on the subject.

very well put. i completely agree.

Stamen · 04-25-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

That's funny, I thought your country and laws were basically founded in Religion to begin with.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Every President with the exception of I think only two have been religious.

Does your official currency not have written "In God We Trust" upon the back of it?

Where is this inherent seperation you're speaking of?

"Under God" was put into the Pledge in 1954 by Congress after pressure was put on them by the Knights of Columbus.

"In God We Trust" didn't appear until 1864 when it was put on the 2 cent coin due to increased religious sentiment during the Civil War.

The Founding Fathers had nothing to do with this religious crap.

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer

the majority of the voting population is faith based. not specifically Christian, but the same people who go to these rallies for bush. bush's win was thanks to the church and the morons in it. i may not agree with their beliefs but i dont think they should be silenced because i disagree with their message. people should be allowed to goto church AND be able to voice their political views rather then a "pick only one" system like this thread implys.

Nice try..but I never ever said anything about "silencing" people and their faith.

Quite the opposite..go to church and SHOUT your heart out!
Get on the street corner and preach to the masses!
Start a website, help feed the poor..whatever you want to do with your beliefs.

Just do not let them be the deciding factor (or the virtual vote caster) in how laws are passed!

Mr.Fiction · 04-25-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The line "one Nation under God" was added in the last 50 years by religious fanatics afraid of communists taking away their bibles. It is not part of the original United States pledge.

The founding fathers believed in a wall between church and state.

If you allow fanatics to turn the United States into a theocracy, you are getting closer to the U.S. being Iran or any other fucked up country run by religious fundamentalists.

bringer · 04-25-2005, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Nice try..but I never ever said anything about "silencing" people and their faith.

Quite the opposite..go to church and SHOUT your heart out!
Get on the street corner and preach to the masses!
Start a website, help feed the poor..whatever you want to do with your beliefs.

Just do not let them be the deciding factor (or the virtual vote caster) in how laws are passed!

for that to be accomplished you would have to silence them. people vote and elect representatives who they believe will vote along the lines they would. if 6 out of 10 voters are bible thumpers and go a certain direction because of their faith it'll be shown when voting season comes around. maybe they can fill in a box on their ballot that says "i goto church" and their vote will only count as 1/3.
(6/10 was an example and doesn't represent an actual ratio)

Mr.Fiction · 04-25-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bringer

for that to be accomplished you would have to silence them. people vote and elect representatives who they believe will vote along the lines they would. if 6 out of 10 voters are bible thumpers and go a certain direction because of their faith it'll be shown when voting season comes around. maybe they can fill in a box on their ballot that says "i goto church" and their vote will only count as 1/3.
(6/10 was an example and doesn't represent an actual ratio)

Wrong. Religious people can vote all they want and religious people serve in the government all of the time. They just aren't supposed to be able to force their religious views on anyone else. You can be religious and not try to force your views on other people, especially not using government power and the threat of jail time. That is what the founding fathers wanted to prevent and why Bush and his fundamentalists want to undermine the Constitution.

The majority of voters are not religious fanatics.

bringer · 04-25-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Wrong. Religious people can vote all they want and religious people serve in the government all of the time. They just aren't supposed to be able to force their religious views on anyone else. You can be religious and not try to force your views on other people, especially not using government power and the threat of jail time. That is what the founding fathers wanted to prevent and why Bush and his fundamentalists want to undermine the Constitution.

The majority of voters are not religious fanatics.

Bush has gotten out of hand and I agree he's attempting to cross the line. Just remember... the will of the people is always to be honored, even if the will of these people is grounded in religion. Fanatics or not, when they goto church and hear abortion/gay marriage/blah/blah is wrong over and over, they'll vote for the guy who voices these opinions publicly. i admit i tend to vote republican because i hate what the democrats have done to california. i didnt however vote for bush.

Centurion · 04-25-2005, 01:52 AM

and then we have Tom DELAY, who has jumped on the bandwagon suggesting that even members of the Supreme Court are "incompetent" (well, at least he's CLOSE on that one), charging that Antonio Kennedy based his views on International Law and..shudder..USED THE INTERNET!!

Man..DELAY will do anything to try and get the spotlight off of him. But just like cockroaches, he runs whenever the light gets turned on in regards to his illegal activites..the most recent just comming today about how he and his wife made trips overseas using a lobbyist's (who is also under investigation) credit cards.

And this man purports to be "Christian"?

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Remind the Republicans of the Seperation of Church & State! "Conservative Christian leaders used a nationally televised rally Sunday night to urge an end to Democratic filibusters against several of President Bush's nominees for federal judgeships." "In the rally, sponsored by the Family Research Council, one of the leaders called the congressional tactic of delaying debate, or blocking legislation, "judicial tyranny to people of faith." "The future of democracy and ordered liberty actually depends on the outcome of this struggle," Focus on the Family founder James Dobson told the crowd at the "Justice Sunday" rally at a church in Louisville, Kentucky." ----------------------- The future of democracy depends on WHAT TYPE OF JUDGES WE APPOINT? WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE MANURE! It's time to tell the Christian right to take their sick agenda and keep it in the CHURCH where it belongs..not in our government! And it's time for the American people to tell the retard Repubs that religion does not belong in the governing of this country! Sick sick SICK of those who profess to be "CHRISTIAN!" __________________

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	and then we have Tom DELAY, who has jumped on the bandwagon suggesting that even members of the Supreme Court are "incompetent" (well, at least he's CLOSE on that one), charging that Antonio Kennedy based his views on International Law and..shudder..USED THE INTERNET!! Man..DELAY will do anything to try and get the spotlight off of him. But just like cockroaches, he runs whenever the light gets turned on in regards to his illegal activites..the most recent just comming today about how he and his wife made trips overseas using a lobbyist's (who is also under investigation) credit cards. And this man purports to be "Christian"? __________________

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spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Just a small problem though. Clinton, Gore and Kerry all campaigned in churches which is illegal so the so called right doesn't have a lock on it !

04-25-2005, 12:44 AM	#21
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Having religious people in office is just fine by me, in fact I like knowing that I have a leader who believes in some form of higher power. However, when those leaders try to pass laws that are based SOLELY (regardless of how you sugar-coat it) upon those beliefs, to the point of forcing others to change their ways in order to conform to the rules of their church, that just pisses me off. Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc. These are issues that are inherently spiritual and should be treated as such. To ban gay marriage or abortion would be to force your relgious beliefs upon another using the law as your weapon. It is a slap in freedom's face, and something which every American should be afraid of. I admit that it's a slippery slope, and both sides have their valid points (Except for with Gay Marriage - Right-wingers who want to put a Constitutional ban on it are just plane ignorant), but this is my opinion on the subject.