50........

P.S. Further to your quote above "what are you really looking for here. when a site gets to the size of AFF
there might be some holes. several people that work for AFF have posted in this thread telling you what they are trying to do to make sure that its an honest program, and they are running it with as much integrity as they
can".

Don't fall victim to the spin doctor. So far, I have seen the public relations spin. But it's all fallen quite short of even remotely showing that they are walking the walk.

What the hell...one more attempt to get an answer to the stats questions I had posted above.

Looks like we have a severe case of the 'affiliate rep. ostrich syndrome'. If you guys and gals ever get your heads out of the sand, I'd be more then interested in listening.

look for the "i work for AFF" stuff in the threads. that will help you find them

there was an answer, i dont know if you liked it

i am asking what you want. what you are really looking for. are the membership numbers off? i dont think that they are, but if your census numbers are right, its seems off. but we are now talking about whos database is right and who's is not. we can check into ours and do our best.

i think that you called me a public relations spin doctor. i have never been called that before. i think that i kind of like it. i dont have a title on my business card yet, so i might use that or traffic whore. maybe i will toss a coin.

the one thing that i can say is that the membership number was not something that was created to market the site. it was not just a bloated number or something that was pulled out of the air since it sounded big. it will be looked into, but its not on the top five list of things to change. it will take time, and it will be done with honesty.

we have a product that in its genre is the best and it is the biggest. there will never be a gap that can be closed. if this is what needs to be done and that is what webmasters want. it will be done.

so i am asking you. what do we need to do to earn your traffic?

craigslist.org

I don't know about AFF but at SexyAds.com they do! My daughter met her husband at our site 3 years ago and he's our website attorney now. Our housekeeper met her partner there. Yeah, it works. Our members are mostly 25-45 and have been around once. They want to be sure that their next relationship is definitely with someone who considers him/herself sexy. Too many of us left sexless marriages or relationships.

I met my husband through an an on the net in 1994 and I felt the same way, there were no adult dating sites then, or I'd have used one. That's why we created SexyAds - for people like us.

Chimmy, AFF said their m/f ratio is 65/35, if you read what i have posted above (1/4-1/3 of my signups are female) then this comes as close to the truth as it can. if you think this is not representative so i will tell you that i have sent over 100,000 members to AFF. Do you think some AFF reps have signed up as females with my linkcode?

To answer you original question:
if the answer is not AFF then AFF at least has a fucking huge member base.

he he he i guess they can remove the oldy accounts :winkwink:

I give up.

Quote "i am asking what you want. what you are really looking for. are the membership numbers off? i dont think that they are, but if your census numbers are right, its seems off. but we are now talking about whos database is right and who's is not. we can check into ours and do our best. "

As demonstrated your membership numbers are not just off, they are pumped up beyond belief. And I'm pretty confident when I say that I would trust that the census database is the correct one. Believe me, I've read your response 10 times over to see if I really saw what you were trying to say. You really don't believe that your database could be right, and population figures are wrong, do you?

Quote, " if this is what needs to be done and that is what webmasters want. it will be done.
so i am asking you. what do we need to do to earn your traffic?"

Again, you have completely missed the whole point of this thread. This has never been a "what can we do for the webmasters" thread. This is a "what can we do to deliver an honest product to the consumer". But, I'm not surprised by this mentality. And this attitude is very well demonstrated in this response..
Quote "but its not on the top five list of things to change".

You say over and over again that AFF offers an honest product. Then you say that the very characteristic (membership numbers) that is of paramount importance to the CONSUMER, is not on the top of your list to change.

O.K. Here we go. Let's see how badly your membership numbers are inflated.

I've already shown above, that 1 in 20 Canadians would need to be ACTIVE members , if your stats are accurate.

Canada - 1 in 20 citizens ACTIVE MEMBERS

Alabama 212,000 listings / 4,400,000 citizens / less 1,100,000 (Population under 18) = 212,000 out of 3,300,000 or 1 in 15 citizens ACTIVE MEMBERS
6 males for every female or 84 / 16 ratio

Arizona 285,000 listings / 5,130,000 citizens / less 1,400,000 (population under 18) = 285,000 out of 3,730,000 or 1 in 13 citizens ACTIVE MEMBERS
8 males for every female or 78 / 12 ratio

California 1,595,000 listings / 33,871,000 / less 9,246,000 (Population under 18) = 1,595,000 out of 24,625,000 or 1 in 15 citizens ACTIVE MEMBERS
8 males for every female or 78 / 12 ratio

Should I go on? So to summerize this, on average AFF is claiming that 1 in 15 of ALL citizens 18 and over are members of AFF. This includes:
a) The population who don't have internet access.
b) The population whose disabilities would prevent them from using a computer
c) The population that is institutionalized in hospitals, jails, etc.
So, to take a stab in the dark, this might then translate to 1 in 10 people who are mentally and physically able, who have access to internet, are ACTIVE MEMBERS of AFF. So, look down your street. According to these stats....every second home has an ACTIVE AFF member in it.

And then there's the male to female ratio. YOUR OWN STATS, taken from the browse page show that on average the man to woman ration is 78 / 12 or approx 1 in 8.

Oh yah, one other little inconsistency. Your front page says 83,000 MEMBERS online right now, Yes, Members, not visitors. And the media metrix stats you quote said that you have 7,700,000 unique visitors per month. So, let's be really generous, and assume that the average MEMBER stays on your site for 30 minutes. This would translate to 3,984,000 member visits per day. I won't even bother carrying the math any further. Hopefully you can already see where this is going.

See why I seriously doubt the "honesty and integrity" of your program.

O.K. I will let this rest. It never would have gone beyond my first post had a suitable response been made.

So in closing: The membership numbers for AFF are inflated. A natural progression would be to assume that a company which so willingly posts grossly inflated figures might also put earnings as a priority, long before insuring other elements of the site are also up to par.

I noticed AFF's inflated membership claims years ago. I have never thought about them from an ethical point of view because I have always thought of "adult" dating sites as belonging in the "fluff" category, along with those pushing penis pills and the like. But it has often crossed my mind as odd that AFF choose to display numbers that a lot of surfers will surely spot as bogus, when they must have impressive real numbers they could show instead. Perhaps these numbers have little impact one way or another, but I can't imagine numbers which defy credibility can have a positive impact.