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directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 07:05 AM

what is the difference between both regimes ????

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U.S. Military Held Iraqis ?Hostage,? New Documents Reveal
Files Also Show Commanders Authorized Brutal Treatment of Inmates

Apr 22 - Newly released government documents reveal that US military personnel arrested and detained Iraqi civilians in an attempt to pressure relatives suspected of involvement in the insurgency to turn themselves in. Other documents released Monday by the Department of Defense in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request suggest that senior Army commanders encouraged interrogators to torture Iraqi detainees who had not yet been "broken" during questioning.

"These documents provide further evidence that the chain of command in Iraq approved and even encouraged the abuse of detainees held in US custody," said attorney Amrit Singh in a statement from the American Civil Liberties Union announcing the release of the documents.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1726

Basically, just a change of landlord .....

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Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 07:08 AM

it's not a secret anymore, americans gone to war against arabs to support the greater israel
now just wait for israel to destroy the the Al-Quds mosque to see the biggest world war

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 07:09 AM

Look I hate Bush probally more than you or anyone else, but WTF is the point in arguing over this crap? He won, our country has at least 60 million idiots in it, we are already over there so we might as well finish the job. Only thing to do is wait until Jan 20th 2009 so we can finally be free of this idiot.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Look I hate Bush probally more than you or anyone else, but WTF is the point in arguing over this crap? He won, our country has at least 60 million idiots in it, we are already over there so we might as well finish the job. Only thing to do is wait until Jan 20th 2009 so we can finally be free of this idiot.

The point ???

Maybe so that people do not forget and that it doesn't happen again....

Michael O · 04-22-2005, 07:12 AM

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CIA operatives held a German citizen in a prison in Afghanistan for six weeks even after determining he was not an Osama bin Laden associate and despite an order from then-U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, NBC News reported on Thursday.

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Masri said he was beaten and injected with drugs by interrogators, who suspected he had ties to bin Laden's al Qaeda network. He was released in May 2004 in Albania.

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alexg · 04-22-2005, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

it's not a secret anymore, americans gone to war against arabs to support the greater israel
now just wait for israel to destroy the the Al-Quds mosque to see the biggest world war

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Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 07:28 AM

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GatorB · 04-22-2005, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

The point ???

Maybe so that people do not forget and that it doesn't happen again....

From what I hear Jeb Bush has no interest in running in 2008.

mardigras · 04-22-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Only thing to do is wait until Jan 20th 2009 so we can finally be free of this idiot.

Easily replaced by another one when the rest of the states put their anti-gay amendments (or other button pushing issues) on the ballot

cambaby · 04-22-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

what is the difference between both regimes ???? Basically, just a change of landlord ..... 100

for " OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM "

Are you even in the adult biz? Pretty fucking pathetic you have to take your propaganda to an adult business board. GO FUCK YOURSELF no one cares about this shit idiot.

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Easily replaced by another one when the rest of the states put their anti-gay amendments (or other button pushing issues) on the ballot

Won't be an issue by 2009 most states will have voted on this issue one way or another. Religious right won't have much to choose from in 2009. No Jesus freaks to choose from.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Are you even in the adult biz? Pretty fucking pathetic you have to take your propaganda to an adult business board. GO FUCK YOURSELF no one cares about this shit idiot.

If you were anything else then a vibrating slut, you would know I am in this and other businesses ....
Now go back to show you worn out pussy ...

who · 04-22-2005, 08:09 AM

Holy fuck.. until 2009? My god.. that's seriously far into the Space Age.. !

MacDaddyPlaya · 04-22-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Look I hate Bush probally more than you or anyone else, but WTF is the point in arguing over this crap? He won, our country has at least 60 million idiots in it, we are already over there so we might as well finish the job. Only thing to do is wait until Jan 20th 2009 so we can finally be free of this idiot.

Finish the job? What does that mean, what is the goal of this job, and how will we know when we reached it? Is there an exit strategy yet?

We need to get the fuck out of there ASAP. Bush is a fucking moron, and I ashamed of my country that we were dumb enough to put him in office twice (well once really, since he lost the first election).

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:13 AM

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...propaganda to an adult business board. GO FUCK YOURSELF no one cares about this shit idiot.

Here is for your Adult board: LATEST TOP 10 threads ... LOL

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A bunch of my posts are missing, anyone else?

Very Business ....

Oh, BTW, do a search on what is PROPAGANDA ... I don't think you know what it is, even tough you eat some by the ton ....

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Finish the job? What does that mean, what is the goal of this job, and how will we know when we reached it? Is there an exit strategy yet?

We need to get the fuck out of there ASAP. Bush is a fucking moron, and I ashamed of my country that we were dumb enough to put him in office twice (well once really, since he lost the first election).

I agree Bush is a moron. I lothe him more than you. If he choked to death on another pretzel I'd thow a fucking party. Hopefully Chenney would be walking in front of operating microwave oven at the same time.

cambaby · 04-22-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Here is for your Adult board: LATEST TOP 10 threads ... LOL Very Business ....Oh, BTW, do a search on what is PROPAGANDA ... I don't think you know what it is, even tough you eat some by the ton ....

Yeah nice sig ya got there. Baaaa. Baaaa. Bitch.

infecto · 04-22-2005, 08:16 AM

Anyone who can compare saddam with the US military is sick. Have we killed of hundreds of thousands of people. Would we fucking cut off 5 major rivers in the marsh lands just to kill people off. Don't think so.

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by infecto

Anyone who can compare saddam with the US military is sick. Have we killed of hundreds of thousands of people. Would we fucking cut off 5 major rivers in the marsh lands just to kill people off. Don't think so.

Ever hear of Hiroshima? How about Viet Nam? I'm quite positive when we were napalming Nam we weren't concered about the enviroment or if ther were any civilians wandering aorund.

cambaby · 04-22-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Ever hear of Hiroshima? How about Viet Nam? I'm quite positive when we were napalming Nam we weren't concered about the enviroment or if ther were any civilians wandering aorund.

We didnt slaughter our own people you idiot, your comparison is not even relative to the argument. Saddam was guilty of mass genocide.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Yeah nice sig ya got there. Baaaa. Baaaa. Bitch.

And I host it on my server .....

Not like yours ( in the business...lol ):

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directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by infecto

Have we killed of hundreds of thousands of people.

Like Dubya said:

" Things take time ... It's hard work ..." ...

cambaby · 04-22-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

And I host it on my server ..... Not like yours ( in the business...lol ):

How is that relative to you being a fucking liberal socialist hippie sheep?

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

We didnt slaughter our own people you idiot, your comparison is not even relative to the argument. Saddam was guilty of mass genocide.

Youpeeeeee!!!

I can kill " other people " in " other countries " ... and it's OK... As long as I don't kill my compatriot....

Trying to insult you would be insulting the insult ....

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

How is that relative to you being a fucking liberal socialist hippie sheep?

I tought I was a Surfer ( I hear the Beach Boys in the background ) ...
That's how it is " relative " ...

Talking " relatives " , how are yours ???? Still in jars ?

cambaby · 04-22-2005, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Youpeeeeee!!! I can kill " other people " in " other countries " ... and it's OK... As long as I don't kill my compatriot.... Trying to insult you would be insulting the insult ....

Then please feel free to get the fuck out of my country so we can take care of the real problem... people like you. Now STFU frenchie I have work to do.

galleryseek · 04-22-2005, 08:35 AM

it's well known that the general population of iraq has hated the americans for a long time. not because we "invaded" their country, but because we didn't show up soon enough. they've wanted us there for a long time. this is well documented and isn't propoganda BS by the US gov. hell bill mahar even had a very liberal american/middle eastern on his show who wrote a book on the iraqi women who quoted what i stated about them being resentful it took us such a long time to get the job done and stop an atrocity (saddam). so you can post all the bs news articles from 3rd rate websites / news organizations that you want, but as time progresses it's evident your stance is getting weaker and weaker.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

it's well known that the general population of iraq has hated the americans for a long time. not because we "invaded" their country, but because we didn't show up soon enough. they've wanted us there for a long time. this is well documented and isn't propoganda BS by the US gov. hell bill mahar even had a very liberal american/middle eastern on his show who wrote a book on the iraqi women who quoted what i stated about them being resentful it took us such a long time to get the job done and stop an atrocity (saddam). so you can post all the bs news articles from 3rd rate websites / news organizations that you want, but as time progresses it's evident your stance is getting weaker and weaker.

- Maybe they hate the US for the embargo of 10 years ( the victim was the population )
- Maybe they hate the US for betraying them after the war in Iran ( Iran - Contra affair )
- Maybe they hate the US for rushing into an unjustified illegal war

Now to say that " bs news .." when it says, and I quote:

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Other documents released Monday by the Department of Defense

Now, are you saying those are falsified documents ...

You want BS news, look at the news promo-reel supplied by the Pentagon to the TV news media...

Anyway, AMERICA is right, so everybody else is wrong....

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

it's well known that the general population of iraq has hated the americans for a long time. not because we "invaded" their country, but because we didn't show up soon enough. they've wanted us there for a long time. this is well documented and isn't propoganda BS by the US gov. hell bill mahar even had a very liberal american/middle eastern on his show who wrote a book on the iraqi women who quoted what i stated about them being resentful it took us such a long time to get the job done and stop an atrocity (saddam). so you can post all the bs news articles from 3rd rate websites / news organizations that you want, but as time progresses it's evident your stance is getting weaker and weaker.

So when is it OUR job to free people? We freed ourselves from England. Yes we had help from France and Spain( notice that's HELP not they they did all the work for us ) and they didn't help us until we after we were trying to free ourselves. What fucking effort did the Iraqi people make? And don't give me crap about "Well Saddam would have killed them" Well that's the price of freedom. If you are not willing to pay the price don't complain about being ruled by a tyrant.

galleryseek · 04-22-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

- Maybe they hate the US for the embargo of 10 years ( the victim was the population )
- Maybe they hate the US for betraying them after the war in Iran ( Iran - Contra affair )
- Maybe they hate the US for rushing into an unjustified illegal war

Now to say that " bs news .." when it says, and I quote:

Now, are you saying those are falsified documents ...

You want BS news, look at the news promo-reel supplied by the Pentagon to the TV news media...

Anyway, AMERICA is right, so everybody else is wrong....

unfortunately in any war, whether the cause be good or bad, there will be a need for information and torture is a route taken. i don't agree with it but who am I to say what method is effective and what isn't. it's all about the circumstance, if my girlfriend were kidnapped and stored away somewhere with limited time to live and i found the kidnapper, i'd torture him to obtain the information. i'm sure circumstances are different, but in a war that drags out longer and longer (which means us casualties) - taking any means necessary to obtain the information we need from those who we know are the enemies which wish to kill us, doesn't seem like such a horrible act.

galleryseek · 04-22-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So when is it OUR job to free people? We freed ourselves from England. Yes we had help from France and Spain( notice that's HELP not they they did all the work for us ) and they didn't help us until we after we were trying to free ourselves. What fucking effort did the Iraqi people make? And don't give me crap about "Well Saddam would have killed them" Well that's the price of freedom. If you are not willing to pay the price don't complain about being ruled by a tyrant.

is it entirely unbelievable that a scenario could exist where a country were so oppressed to the point at which organizing a country-wide uprising would be impossible? just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can never happen.

GatorB · 04-22-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

is it entirely unbelievable that a scenario could exist where a country were so oppressed to the point at which organizing a country-wide uprising would be impossible? just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can never happen.

Even so when is it OUR job to free them? Why Iraq but not N Korea or Cuba or China or 2/3 of the countries in Africa? Are their citizens not as worthy of freedom as Iraqis? Most of the time we interfere with other people's busniess we make things worse.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

unfortunately in any war, whether the cause be good or bad, there will be a need for information and torture is a route taken. i don't agree with it but who am I to say what method is effective and what isn't. it's all about the circumstance, if my girlfriend were kidnapped and stored away somewhere with limited time to live and i found the kidnapper, i'd torture him to obtain the information. i'm sure circumstances are different, but in a war that drags out longer and longer (which means us casualties) - taking any means necessary to obtain the information we need from those who we know are the enemies which wish to kill us, doesn't seem like such a horrible act.

Exactly what Saddam was saying and practicing ...

galleryseek · 04-22-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Exactly what Saddam was saying and practicing ...

when did i say it's ok to kill a person and their entire family for showing an ounce of free thought? or for shits n' giggles? or for weapons testing?

galleryseek · 04-22-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Even so when is it OUR job to free them? Why Iraq but not N Korea or Cuba or China or 2/3 of the countries in Africa? Are their citizens not as worthy of freedom as Iraqis? Most of the time we interfere with other people's busniess we make things worse.

there was probably incentive for us to go there. plain n' simple. you can't expect any country who is going to take on such a massive effort (which would cost billions upon billions) to do it out of courtesy. what the incentive is, i don't know... oil? land control? whatever it is, it is the byproduct of helping to modernize a very barbaric portion of the world in the form that at least somewhat resembles a democracy.

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GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Look I hate Bush probally more than you or anyone else, but WTF is the point in arguing over this crap? He won, our country has at least 60 million idiots in it, we are already over there so we might as well finish the job. Only thing to do is wait until Jan 20th 2009 so we can finally be free of this idiot.

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infecto Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,697	Anyone who can compare saddam with the US military is sick. Have we killed of hundreds of thousands of people. Would we fucking cut off 5 major rivers in the marsh lands just to kill people off. Don't think so.

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galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	it's well known that the general population of iraq has hated the americans for a long time. not because we "invaded" their country, but because we didn't show up soon enough. they've wanted us there for a long time. this is well documented and isn't propoganda BS by the US gov. hell bill mahar even had a very liberal american/middle eastern on his show who wrote a book on the iraqi women who quoted what i stated about them being resentful it took us such a long time to get the job done and stop an atrocity (saddam). so you can post all the bs news articles from 3rd rate websites / news organizations that you want, but as time progresses it's evident your stance is getting weaker and weaker.