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There is a fine line between use and abuse also. Plus they are a lot of fun.

If you don't think alcohol is a drug you are a fucking moron. What is smth? (something)?

Well I'm not saying heroin is healthy but I've heard quite a few times from people in the know that out of all the drugs to be addicted to heroin causes the least amount of physical damage to the body. Not saying anyone should do it, I never have but I've done my share of other things in moderation.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...es/cu/cu4.html

In all, 861 male addicts--- 80 percent of them addicted to heroin and the others to morphine or other opiates--- participated in various phases of this study. Most of them were between twenty and forty years of age. They came to the hospital more or less voluntarily (in some cases, no doubt, to escape arrest) for the stated purpose of being "cured." Most of them were criminals and most of them were poor; then as now, affluent addicts did not go to a city hospital for treatment. Here is the broad general conclusion which Dr. Light and his associates reached:

The study shows that morphine addiction is not characterized by physical deterioration or impairment of physical fitness aside from the addiction per se. There is no evidence of change in the circulatory, hepatic, renal or endocrine functions. When it is considered that these subjects had been addicted for at least five years, some of them for as long as twenty years, these negative observations are highly significant.

Details of the study were equally striking. For example, the narcotics addict is popularly portrayed as lean, gaunt, emaciated. A subgroup of about 100 addicts out of the 861 in the Philadelphia study was maintained on adequate doses of morphine and intensively examined and tested while thus maintained. Only four of the 100 were grossly underweight --- emaciated. Six of the 100 were grossly overweight--- obese. The group as a whole weighed within two-tenths of one percent of the norm for their height and age, as determined by Metropolitan Life Insurance Company standards. Yet these addicts before hospitalization had been taking on the average 21 grains of morphine or heroin per day 8 --- more than 30 times the usual dose of the New York City street addict in 1971.

The explanation for the weight findings, which could hardly be more normal, is quite simple. The addicts in the Philadelphia study had ready access to both hospital food and hospital morphine. Under these conditions, they ate well and thrived. The emaciated addict usually described in other studies is one who starves himself to save money for black market drugs--- an ordeal he is able to bear more easily because of the tranquilizing effect of the drugs. The Philadelphia study established that addicts eat like anyone else when both food and drugs are readily available.

Hypocrite :)

We need to hang out. But coke ain't my thang. Too many nose problems (broke it 5 or 6 times playing soccer and being a crazy kid) in my life to ever want to snort anything.

I view the current drug laws as a major failure, they cause more problems than then solve. They work against their original intention. I see no point in putting people in jail for causing harm to themselves and their own body. Basically, I think everybody should have their right to screw up their own lives as they please.

Freebase what? Freebase can be just about anything that isn't in some sort of acid salt form. Then again knowing you I'd imagine this is a joke. :helpme

no, more like idiot.

By AMF do you mean AMT which lasts about 20 hours? alpha methyl Tryptamine or something like that? Are you dutch(your use of "coca")

why is that?

i try and stay away from it as much as possible...i learned my lesson a while ago with it, i can get real carried away

when I party I try do a little bit of everything...LOL...that way I don't do too much of one thing

honestly, my favorite thing to do nowadays is just hang on the back porch with some beer, wine and friends, maybe a little other shit here and there...LOL...i just like good company and mind altering substances into the wee hours of the morning

totally...it is just fucking stupid to lock people up for drug charges when it isn't a major trafficking offense...they should be in counseling/rehab when they get busted with crack and a crack pipe, not jail

i think california does that now, don't they? they send users to rehab instead of jail, right?

alpha-methyltryptamine

good stuff, except for the vomiting :)

if any drug lovers here ever want the experience of a lifetime...Ayahuasca is fucking incredible

If they would only cause harm to themself, your point is good. But in this world they don't only cause harm to themself.
Kids with druggies parents will most likely not grow up under the right circumstances and turn into model citizens. And doubt the heroin druggies get their $500-900/day from the millions they have in their bank account. Just to mention a few things.

Hah I'll have to hit you up next time I'm down in Atlanta. I go whereever the mood takes me. The most hilarious part is everyone's preconceptions about drugs and their effects based on extreme cases they've either observed directly or through the media. People at my school who have no fucking clue like to ramble on about how bad drugs are, how drugs turn you into a dumbass and a mindless zombie, et al. They have no fucking clue and hate to be reminded that I have the highest average in whatever class and have tried just about everything under the sun and am not opposed to new experiences or the occasional dabbling.

I don't use drugs neither.

It's been illegal for a year or 2 now. You need about 2-3 days to even do the stuff. One to take it, wait the 2.5 hours for it to hit, the 20-28 hours it lasts then a full day to sleep. I may or may not know some people or have some myself in a private collection of various phenethylamines and tryptamines. Then again I may have no idea what I'm talking about and making it all up as we are all semi anonymous on a message board and I'm babbling to show the size of my E-penis.

But it also sounds like something Hicks or Leary might say. I know my philosophy prof loves that quote as do some people who dabble in quantum mechanics.

Holy shit I was going to take a trip down to Brazil and Peru to visit some shamans and do it right with the Caapi Vines and Mimosa Hostitilis root bark. You can order all that stuff online btw. San Pedro and some Syrian rue doesn't do a bad job either. Plus pedro has a lot less nausea than peyote.

yeah, i look at some people around certain crowds I hang with and get grossed out

speed is the worst thing to get sucked deep into, that shit is FAR worse than heroin..I was watching that documentary on HBO about meth...speed has surpassed every other drug, legal or not, as the #1 most addictive substance ever...it has a 6% addiction recovery rate

I have done it occasionally, but only when it is right in front of me, i never seek it out really...

i went to far with drugs once in my life, i was up to a 1-2 ounce a week coke habit (whew)....when i finally got out of that phase of my life i realized what addiction was and my mind sort of snapped into the mentality I have now...I can recognize myself going to far and can stop myself now...it is really amazing, and I never would have been this way if I had not been an addict at one time.

but speed is scarey, and I can understand some peoples negativity towards drugs if they have ever been around a heroin or speed addict...

have you ever heard Alien Dreamtime?

I was in some backwoods kentucky party back in 99, someone handed me a grip of mushrooms, i took them..then they gave me this glass 1/4 full of this wierd liquid and said drink it...whew...god damn...i had an oobe that night, first time ever...it was amazing

jacexxx @ comcast . net next time you wanna come down

i am having a little backyard shindig the last sunday of May...the day before memorial day...if you get the urge :)

bonfire and all that shit...

I've had meth and various other amphet derivatives and i hate them. I hate the amping. I hate the staying up. I hate being strung out from a few day bender. I generally have insomnia as is and have used pot in the past as a sleep aid, currently using some sort of benzo or ambien, etc. I can't understand why people would want to be awake for days on end on purpose. I understand there is a euphoria involved, which always amazed me about ephedra use. It's like speed without the fun. In my experience meth isn't that huge around nyc(where i am and have always been) as it is prevelant on the west coast, in the middle of nowhere, the south, massachusetts... well lots of places.

Ever been around crazy artsy types who have big crystal habits. For some reason tweaking makes them think everything they say or do is profound even way more than the pot/tripping type fascinations with every day minutia. That alone is enough to turn me off of it. lol

I've had a busy day and i'm rambling and getting off on odd tangent rants so I'll stfu now. :disgust

There's an East Coast gathering of the Shroomery.org/com in Ohio sometime in May or June. Should be a fucking killer time. I'm really good friends with the Admins of the site. Spent a few days with Anno in Austria at his dorm in Graz last time I was bumming out that way. You should try to make it out there... I'll definitely hit you up if I can, but I'm trying to save up for a 3 month marathon backpacking trip around Europe with some buddies from June till August internext-ish time.

haha, no shit....i love my sleep

hey dude, grab this and have a listen if you haven't already heard it

SpaceTime Continuum w/ Terrance Mckenna - Alien Dreamtime

Is that a trip DVD or a theory about the brain's natural release of DMT during sleep possibly accounting for Alien abuction stories and the like?

nah, grab it from the link above

http://users.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/mckenna/alien.html

Oh and aside from being in Kentucky that sounds like my idea of a good time. Choking down that ayuhuasa brew ain't an easy task. Keeping it down is next to impossible. It's all part of the experience according to the natives. The purging is supposed to cleanse you. The guy on Travel Sick which airs on comedy central did an ayuhuasca brew on the show.

The craziest shit I've ever (may or may not have experiences during a dream probably based on some obscure writing a friend may have told me about in passing :winkwink: /disclaimer) experienced was a combination of a lot of mild dosages of several things.

2ct2, 2ci, pure mdma, ketamine, pot, i think some 4 aco det, a shitload of nitrous and good friends. But that is a story for a private conversation as I think I've set off enough DEA red flags.

Thanks, I'll give it a listen if I have some time this weekend.

Check this shit out and tell me if it doesn't blow your mind. hah

http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/flashback.swf

hey wait, i think i have done that too :)

Oh, and if you'd like to discuss anything further or feel like hitting me up for whatever my i sea queue is 111-914. As I said, I have insomnia so I'm usually up 24 hours a day unless I'm out partying.

Everyone else but my best friend flipped the fuck out, insanely bad.

My best friend's gf thought we were all wearing tuxedos and our throats were slit and the walls were bleeding real blood. Her younger brother completely flipped and got into a fight with my refrigerator because it was "talking shit", then he kept trying to fight everyone there while telling them he loved them and how he was molested by his dad and really gay(when he was neither molested by his dad nor the least bit bi having at least 3 girlfriends at any given time)... I think Fight Club set him off. "I'd fuck a thousand airplanes for you!" was a favorite quote from him that night when he was trying to express his love for me while simulataneously trying to fight me and trying to grab his keys to drive home. After few hours of dealing with that shit my bigger friend held him down and we shoved 10 mgs of valium down his throat. After half an hour he still wouldn't shut up but took another 10 mg of valium willingly. Another half an hour later he was passed the fuck out. (Thank you benzodiazepines, <3). My story from that night is way more odd and introspective. I know this fucking post is going to get indexed by google and comeback to haunt me. :1orglaugh

god damn

this is fun

You fucking freaks need Jesus.

Well, i don't know exactly what is calls right, i think metamphytamine. We call it amphytamine/metamphytamine here or just amf. Here in Ukraine i mean.

Crystal Meth. Methamphetamine... Gotcha.

Jesus was a pot smoking tree hugging hippy liberal.

As I already pointed out, the drug laws cause more problems than they solve. The heroin druggies need those $500-900/day because of the drug laws! They would not have to steal if they could legally buy their needed doses for $10. See? Your logic is flaud. You are using the bad effects of the current drug laws to argue for upholding them... don't use the effects of the laws an argument for keeping them!

It's also discounting the fact that there are shitloads of fully functional addicts in all levels of jobs.

Yo! :winkwink:

To those who "attacked" me on the point of alcohol.

My grandpa was a drunker, my father is a drunker...

But I'm not the person to continue this tradition. Mother suffered a lot because of my father, and I suffered too. When they asked me whether they should stay together or not ( I was 13 then) - I said that divorce was the only way out and that my father should go away...

I can drink and not drink as well. I'm not addicted to alcohol, though I have bad "legacy" because of my father and grandpa.

I don't think there exists addiction to alcohol - only weak will - that's f...g all! :Oh crap

And another point here to be mentioned, that people who use alcohol and drugs just try to escape the reality we live in...

Think about it! :(

"Our's" reality, yes, that's one U live in, which u call "our" not so nice and beautiful like u can see it by you eyes thought. Try to create u own, to live in. Will be much easier for u to train your will and to understand "our's" reality. If not u, who?

"life is a way to perfection" ;)

You're a moron

I dont do drugs but i dont have anything against people that does

So you mean that you would want ALL drugs to be legal and cost $10/hit? :helpme
Yeah, that would solve everything.

I think you need a big dose of reality.

Yes it would.

That is a crock of shit. Drugs and or alcohol are not an escape for most people. Saying it is such is only an attempt at casting a bad light on them. People assume others use drugs because they have problems almost exclusively. Not only are they fun and have very little to do with problems, they also may act as tools to examine the reality most are so quick to say the user is trying to escape in a different light or perspective. God damn people, grow up and stop thinking of everything in terms of a 5 year old.

everyone does drugs. If you breathe you do drugs