What's up with The Hun?????? - GoFuckYourself.com

codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 12:09 PM

Damn this pisses me of royally!

I mean he always told everybody he is against dialers(or even no dialers for that matter)

Anybody remember he had that warning up on his site like forever?

Well I just visited his Yelow Pages( http://www.thehun.net ) and what do I find?

A textlink saying:

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Gek op Oud?! 68 eurocent per minuut!

It leads to http://www.fairtale.nl/php/dialer.php?a=1&c=3&s=4

The textlink is Dutch for: like old? only 0.68 Euro per minute.

Now I have nothing against promoting a dialer hell I do it too, but Mr Hun who has always been so against it promoting a Dutch dialer on his site that's being a hypocrite beyond believe.

I wonder though how his bookmarkers now feel after all the warnings he put up against dialers and now promotes it himself.

Thanks for letting me rant but after all galleries he declined for promting a dialer(through regular links and baners BTW) this just pissed me off!

Off with his head I say!

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burn · 01-06-2002, 12:11 PM

not seeing it

deluxe · 01-06-2002, 12:22 PM

yeah I've always wondered that myself to...

Dopy · 01-06-2002, 12:26 PM

This is why you can't see it

if( language && language.indexOf( "nl" )

codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 12:28 PM

Ok let me help you see it as I think it's language based here's a screenshot

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alias · 01-06-2002, 12:33 PM

Thats only about 50 cents us a minute, maybe thats why he thinks its ok. As opposed to older/other dialers that charged $5.00 + per min.

Just a guess...

Trax · 01-06-2002, 12:36 PM

easy solution: never visit the hun again

no seriously.. let the hun do whatever he wants to do with his traffic.. if he's against dialers on galleries.. ok.. if he wants to promote a dialer on his site: FINE
nobody is telling you what you should do
who are you being "pissed off" because the hun is having up a dialerlink...

sorry but you say youre promoting dialers yourself and you can´t understand why he's doing it?? fuck just because you own a BIG site doesn´t mean you can´t have a sudden change of mind.. if he wants to use em.. i use dialers too...

and last but not least
I wonder though how his bookmarkers now feel after all the warnings he put up against dialers and now promotes it himself.no worry... they are surely not going to kill themselves.. its just a fucking dialer
nothing that changes the world

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SR · 01-06-2002, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by alias:
Thats only about 50 cents us a minute, maybe thats why he thinks its ok. As opposed to older/other dialers that charged $5.00 + per min.

Just a guess...

Yeps must be it.
50cents a minute is not an RIPOFF like 4 5 or even 8$ a minute.

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Trax · 01-06-2002, 12:37 PM

lol
sounds as if i took it a little bit toooo serious

nothing against you codecrawler even if i think you have no right judging the hun

Trax · 01-06-2002, 12:38 PM

double post

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burn · 01-06-2002, 12:38 PM

I don't see it when I visit the site

h0st · 01-06-2002, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by burn:
I don't see it when I visit the site

Use your brains...

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burn · 01-06-2002, 02:02 PM

Negative

Martin · 01-06-2002, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alias:
Thats only about 50 cents us a minute, maybe thats why he thinks its ok. As opposed to older/other dialers that charged $5.00 + per min.

Just a guess...

That would be my guess too

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Rod · 01-06-2002, 02:06 PM

using a dialer that charges 50 cents per minutes is a good way of marketing...

Surfers can use it to see what it has in the members area, and if they like it, they can register for a full month, with their CC!

That's the way I see it...

codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 02:07 PM

Let's get a few things straight here:

1 He was against dialers period(and I have the emails to prove it!)

2 Most dialers on Dutch lines charge like that because Dutch telecom regulations don't let you charge more then 1.15 euro a minute.
So for most dialers out there the same thing goes. (look at the rates for The Netherlands on most dialers).

3 I believe in practise what you preach on the one hand I and others I know received emails from him saying no dialer ads. He never even looked at what dialer. But he uses em

Ethics eh?

So I think I have a point and can be pissed off about it.

Now I agree it is his site I will definately not visit it again(as suggested

)

It's just disappointing that he goes as a well respected webmaster and in reality is being a hypocrite.

Now I won't continue this pissing match as I said my piece.

Don't know about you, but I now know all about Hun's ethics they are only exisiting if they are against his moneymaking schemes. I now see that when it suits him it's out goes the ethics

On teh other hand it does kinda show he now needs dialers so I gues his banners aren't clicked that much anymore like he posted a while back

Like I said in the first post thanks for letting me rant.

Peace out!

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wiZd0m · 01-06-2002, 02:33 PM

is'nt the product advertised as it is really? 68 eurocents a minute?

Why can't others do the same and advertise their own dialer as "Connect to porn for ONLY 8$/Min!"

I guess "Britney_Movie.exe" works better ...

CC · 01-06-2002, 02:34 PM

Bottom line is, it's his site and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If you don't like it, just don't submit galleries to it. I personally love the hun and he sends me awesome quality traffic...I could care less if he links to dialers or not. I buy a banner spot there, and yes Code Crawler, they do get clicks LOL!

Cassie

Trax · 01-06-2002, 02:47 PM

exactly what i said

jimmyf · 01-06-2002, 03:01 PM

Am not 100% sure but I think I recall thehun say dialers that charge 3,4,5 6, and even $ 8.00 per min. were a rip off.

1st the last time I checked it's his site and it is not yours nor anyone else's business what the hell he wants to sell.

Does he go to your site and tell you what you can and should not sell.

As to having a dialer on his page now and in the past being very much against them, What the fuck you've never changed your mind and if you have, do you go and ask thehun if it ok.

God if people would just not worry so much about what other people are doing or thinking, am sure they would have a much much happier life.

Get a fucking life.

Jim

codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 03:11 PM

You are all missing my point.

I'm not saying he is dishonest in it's advertising at all.

Let me try it this way:

For the record I never submitted a dialer gallery to his site but people I know did and I have the emails he sent them.

Now take this for example:

A gallery gets built like this:

Recip to The Hun

468 x 60 banner ad leading to a dialer
The dialer si a Telcoweb one BTW

20 thumbs follow and below them

another 468 x 60 banner leading to the dialer.

What happens?

Surfer clicks on gallery link

Surfer clicks on the banner

Surfer downloads the exe

Surfer gets presented with the terms where it states in plain sight what it costs.

Surfer HAS to agree to continue.

Now I think we can all agree there is nothing deceitfull in that right?

Email received from The Hun

Just one line of text saying:

Quote:

No dialer ads please

1 On the submit page it doesn't say so
2 The ads where honest and nothing was hidden

Gallery declined.

Fine so far I can go with that but now he does the same?

Am I really the only one thinking this is a hypocrite thing to do?

THis is not an argument of wether or not he should link to a dialer it is the fact that he is doing what gallerybuilders are not allowed to EVEN if they do it the honorable way.

That is what makes my nuts itch

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codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 03:19 PM

Jimmyf,

You posted while i was typing

So here's my reply to you:

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Does he go to your site and tell you what you can and should not sell

When he puts up a text telling surfers not to download dialers he is deliberately trying to hurt the dialer business

So yes he does try to tell people what they can and can't sell

Quote:

As to having a dialer on his page now and in the past being very much against them, What the fuck you've never changed your mind and if you have, do you go and ask thehun if it ok.

Sure I do I change my mind all the time but don't you think thatif/when he chnages his mind he should also change the rules accourdingly?

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God if people would just not worry so much about what other people are doing or thinking, am sure they would have a much much happier life.

If nobody would keep an eye on anything cheaters woudl have a field day. Also when a site the size of The Hun sets rules others follow so yes we should stick our noses in it because what he does affects most gallerybuilders.

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Get a fucking life.

Thanks I allready got one but that doesn't stop me from speaking my mind when I see something I think is wrong and others need to be aware of.

Maybe you don't give a shit what is going on in the business around you, I sure as hell do.

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Wiredoctor · 01-06-2002, 03:25 PM

CodeCrawler, it's you that is missing the point. Hun has said that he was against Dialers that way Overcharged people and were an outright rip off. His dialer is pretty reasonable. Also get a life dude, it's his site and he can do what he wants with it, just as you and I and the rest of us can do what we want with our sites....
This isn't even worthy of debating any longer, if you don't like anything about Hun or anyone elses sites, then don't submit to them and stop visiting them... Do your own thing the way you want to and stop sticking you nose into other peoples business. Now this was not meant as an attack towards you, but rather just my opinion.

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codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 03:32 PM

Wiredoctor,

first I didn't take it as an attack

Second: I AGREE with what you say.

But what Hun says and what Hun does is an entirely different picture.

I am merely debating the fact that a dialer ad gets a gallery declined there no matter what dialer is used and how much it charges.

And that considered makes his advertising a dialer (no matter what it charges) is wrong.

If I use a Vocalis dialer that charges even less and promote it on a gallery it gets declined for dialerads.

FYI Vocalis deliveres all types of dialers with different rates per minute you can buy a $ 0.15 per minute as easy as a $ 4 per minute dialer.

Now do you get my point?

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^R3K^ · 01-06-2002, 03:33 PM

Codecrawler is a cool dude but like i have seen in the past he whines alot, and also wants people in the porn buisness to all do the most ethical thing ( which s kinda cute, when you think about it).
But just like people have said it his site and he seems to be doing a good job with it

i think he has a good buisness model that he is following, but maybe codecrawler you can make your site the number 2 adult site and then show him a better way to do it.
Im raging on you but hell what did you expect.

codecrawler · 01-06-2002, 03:35 PM

Nah you are ragging on points I did not make(read my other posts in this thread)

I'm not all that ethicall myself having started out with CJ1

I just think one should practise what one preaches.

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^R3K^ · 01-06-2002, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by codecrawler:
(read my other posts in this thread)

Nah, Im To Lazy

The Hun · 01-07-2002, 04:25 AM

"What the hun says and what the does are two different things"?... Huh? Ok, I don't agree there. Let me explain...

As a lot of people guessed here 62 cents a minute stated before people even download something is not a rip-off rate. (70 eurocents is about 0.62$) I NEVER said I was against dialers, I always says I was against rip-off dialers that charge an arm and a leg. In many discussions before I made this statement. How can I be against something that is clear (100%, not 80% by tucking away the rate), fair priced and that works?

There was a reason I didn't like most dialers... and that was the consumer rate. Today dialers still promise the world and high per-minute-payouts with no statement whatsoever on the consumer price. All dialers that bring up the "no dialer ads please"-message when submitting are charging over 2 dollars a minute.

A dialer can be fair, it can offer a fair rate, and it can be used as a great money making tool. There just needs to be a company that looks at both the consumer pricing as well as the webmaster payout for me to get behind it. And I can't do anything else then be behind this one. 62 cents a minute is a fair price. 46 cents per minute are paid to the webmasters.

I'm no hypocrite. I basically go by one rule: take care of the surfer. A surfer shouldn't be screwed out of his money. When they know what they'll get and when they know what they'll have to pay they don't mind paying. I am against ripping people off, I'm against blind/misleading advertising, but how can I be against this?

The Hun · 01-07-2002, 04:41 AM

BTW, the warning to surfers is still sent out. LOOK AT THE RATES and be careful with what you confirm.

I looked at an ad for DialerKing that's on the GFY board. On the site I could find they pay 1$/min, but nowhere there's a consumer rate. I had to download and run the test to find this (after scrolling down through the terms and conditions):

US - $7.99us/min premium domestic billing or $1.99us/min international

So a whopping 1$/min payout on 7.99$/min consumer rate? Now I'm not going to state here how I feel about that...

After that I saw the icon on my start menu and my desktop. Even though I cancelled the program when I saw the rates...

Codecrawler, I don't decline galleries with all dialers on there. All dialers that are declined are the ones known to me to charge rates beyong what I think is fair. Please note that it's all what I think is fair. I have my opinion about this and that's why I can deside to list or decline certain galleries on my page. I'm not saying people what they should or shouldn't do, I'm just stating what I'll list and what I won't list... I hate surprises. And I will always do my best to prevent surprises from people that visit my page. ONLY that will result in people coming back the same day. And even if they're not trigger-happy when it comes to paying for something, if they spend a couple of dollars once every year I'm making a living, and that's all I ask for.

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Plat · 01-07-2002, 04:55 AM

TheHun can do whatever the fuck he wants. <--Period

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NickB. · 01-07-2002, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plat:
TheHun can do whatever the fuck he wants. <--Period

Agree!

Jakke PNG · 01-07-2002, 06:57 AM

*cough* Asskissers *cough*

hehhe..
Why can't I do whatever I want?

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Trax · 01-07-2002, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather:
*cough* Asskissers *cough*

hehhe..
Why can't I do whatever I want?

you can do whatever you want as long as you SHUT UP

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SR · 01-07-2002, 07:16 AM

Ass kissing or not but he is right.
0.62$/min is a fair price.
After 10minutes you should know what is inside and only get a phonebill from about $6.

When you access a site with the dialer from dialerking after 10 minutes you have spend as much as a 3 month membership for most paysites.
That dialerking guy is a thief and nothing better then a thief.
And the ones promoting him ..think..... The surfer pays 8$/min you get 1$/min he gets 7$/min.
You get fucked the surfer gets fucked badly and he gets rich.

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NOTR · 01-07-2002, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Plat:
TheHun can do whatever the fuck he wants. <--Period

Some ass kissing huh? Hey you happen to borrow my signature

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NOTR · 01-07-2002, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Plat:
TheHun can do whatever the fuck he wants. <--Period

Borrow from the AWI boards that is...

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candidpublishinginc · 01-07-2002, 03:47 PM

In case you guys didn't know, the hun is starting his own dialer network.

When it is launched, it will be the only dialer allowed to be promoted on galleries submitted on the hun.

The hun is also working hard on making it the most affordable dialer for the consumer too.

The reason I know all of this is because we're developing and beta testing our own dialer network too, and word gets around fast on who's starting a dialer network here.

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Martin · 01-07-2002, 03:50 PM

The Hun runs shit.. You go boy..

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Plat · 01-07-2002, 04:26 PM

lol damn straight Notr

Hey i left off the "killer" part though...

grr clickcash is pissin me off right now, i wont even promote em no more

TheWizard · 01-07-2002, 05:57 PM

I honestly think...........

The Hun cares less what anyone else thinks!

Fuck he has like 30,000$ or more a day in webmasters buying advertising off him.......
Most Important 1 & half million surfers a day with no trades........

He's set so why should he care????

SR · 01-07-2002, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheWizard:
I honestly think...........

The Hun cares less what anyone else thinks!

Fuck he has like 30,000$ or more a day in webmasters buying advertising off him.......
Most Important 1 & half million surfers a day with no trades........

He's set so why should he care????

I don't know how much he makes but not $30,000 a day!
not even close

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DialerNET · 01-07-2002, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by candidpublishinginc:
In case you guys didn't know, the hun is starting his own dialer network.

*snort*
The Hun ROCKS!

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codecrawler · 01-08-2002, 01:46 AM

Ok, last post on this thread for me:

Hun: That's bullshit

People I know very well submitted pages with a Vocalis dialer charging 35 euro a minute and you declined that for dialer ads so your comment is not true. Quote from what you mailed them: No dialer ads period.

Either you/your reviewer(s) don't check the dialer or there's something more at work here(Candid is right on da money me thinks)

Second

To wizard: If the Hun doesn't care like you say he should not pretend to care.

Have fun I said my piece and am done

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Rod · 01-08-2002, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by codecrawler:
Ok, last post on this thread for me:

Hun: That's bullshit

People I know very well submitted pages with a Vocalis dialer charging 35 euro a minute and you declined that for dialer ads so your comment is not true. Quote from what you mailed them: No dialer ads period.

Either you/your reviewer(s) don't check the dialer or there's something more at work here(Candid is right on da money me thinks)

Second

To wizard: If the Hun doesn't care like you say he should not pretend to care.

Have fun I said my piece and am done

CC

TheHun is working since 8 years to get all his traffic....and you nitch him because you cannot take advantage of his hard work, like you would want to?

The Hun · 01-08-2002, 02:23 AM

Codecrawler... Three questions: when was that e-mail sent (no dialers period) and what conversation was this about...

... and what gallery did you try to submit that was declined. I'd love to check it out.

Ok, fourth question: why didn't you mail about this if it's something from the near future? Ah well...

Unlike candid said Fairtale will not be the only dialer allowed on submissions to my site. That would be too indoctrinating. I do know Fairtale has fair prices for both webmasters (affiliate payout) and consumers (consumer rates). Like I said, I don't dislike dialers, I dislike ripoff rates. When dialers came out everybody that was running one told me they couldn't go lower. I wanted to proove 'em wrong...

Rocky · 01-08-2002, 02:39 AM

why this constant Hun bashing?

in all my years i have not seen anything but fair play and common sense being practiced by The Hun

the adult biz online is for the most part without any stringent regulations and it's nice to see someone with popularity take the initiative to decide for themself what they deem to be fair or unfair for their surfers (customers)

you can hardly call it hypocritical when someone utilizes a dialer that safeguards the consumer from being blatantly ripped off

sometimes i think it's the over aggressive sponsors that are killing the industry and not the people giving away the stuff for free

Plat · 01-08-2002, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun:
indoctrinating

I never learned that one in English class :c(

ALL those years with "Wordy Wise" and I swear ive never heard that word b4!

jonnax · 01-08-2002, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by codecrawler:
submitted pages with a Vocalis dialer charging 35 euro a minute

From where i can find this Vocalis dialer or any other dialer which is considerd surfer friendly?

Jakke PNG · 01-08-2002, 10:11 AM

Quote:

why this constant Hun bashing?

Envy, and because he's the big-boy around ppl like to say he's wrong.

I know I like to make fun of 'famous' people, even if they haven't done anything to me

I haven't bashed anyone yet (no balls)

Bashing is fun, although one must be careful whom to bash.

.. and how publicly. If he's a good guy, then he will take the bashing with humor, as this ain't so serious.

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1st · 01-08-2002, 10:42 AM

i believe that we can do whatever we want. But you must decide yourself what is your line. If Hun wants to keep Dutch Dialer -link then he will. Problem? NO....

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burn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 507	not seeing it

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deluxe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,434	yeah I've always wondered that myself to...

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Dopy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Puerto Del Carmen, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,572	This is why you can't see it if( language && language.indexOf( "nl" )

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codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	Ok let me help you see it as I think it's language based here's a screenshot CC ------------------ All webmasters from all countries accepted

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alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Thats only about 50 cents us a minute, maybe thats why he thinks its ok. As opposed to older/other dialers that charged $5.00 + per min. Just a guess...

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	easy solution: never visit the hun again no seriously.. let the hun do whatever he wants to do with his traffic.. if he's against dialers on galleries.. ok.. if he wants to promote a dialer on his site: FINE nobody is telling you what you should do who are you being "pissed off" because the hun is having up a dialerlink... sorry but you say youre promoting dialers yourself and you can´t understand why he's doing it?? fuck just because you own a BIG site doesn´t mean you can´t have a sudden change of mind.. if he wants to use em.. i use dialers too... and last but not least I wonder though how his bookmarkers now feel after all the warnings he put up against dialers and now promotes it himself.no worry... they are surely not going to kill themselves.. its just a fucking dialer nothing that changes the world my 2 cents ------------------ Best Paying Sponsors: TCG - The own the best Converting CELEB paysites!! ARS - Best PayPerSignup + AVS Sponsor ICQ: 59101924

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	lol sounds as if i took it a little bit toooo serious nothing against you codecrawler even if i think you have no right judging the hun

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	double post [This message has been edited by Trax (edited 01-06-2002).]

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burn Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 507	Negative

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Rod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MTL, QC, CAN Posts: 1,243	using a dialer that charges 50 cents per minutes is a good way of marketing... Surfers can use it to see what it has in the members area, and if they like it, they can register for a full month, with their CC! That's the way I see it...

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codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	Let's get a few things straight here: 1 He was against dialers period(and I have the emails to prove it!) 2 Most dialers on Dutch lines charge like that because Dutch telecom regulations don't let you charge more then 1.15 euro a minute. So for most dialers out there the same thing goes. (look at the rates for The Netherlands on most dialers). 3 I believe in practise what you preach on the one hand I and others I know received emails from him saying no dialer ads. He never even looked at what dialer. But he uses em Ethics eh? So I think I have a point and can be pissed off about it. Now I agree it is his site I will definately not visit it again(as suggested ) It's just disappointing that he goes as a well respected webmaster and in reality is being a hypocrite. Now I won't continue this pissing match as I said my piece. Don't know about you, but I now know all about Hun's ethics they are only exisiting if they are against his moneymaking schemes. I now see that when it suits him it's out goes the ethics On teh other hand it does kinda show he now needs dialers so I gues his banners aren't clicked that much anymore like he posted a while back Like I said in the first post thanks for letting me rant. Peace out! CC ------------------ All webmasters from all countries accepted

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wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	is'nt the product advertised as it is really? 68 eurocents a minute? Why can't others do the same and advertise their own dialer as "Connect to porn for ONLY 8$/Min!" I guess "Britney_Movie.exe" works better ...

01-06-2002, 02:34 PM	#18
CC Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,690	Bottom line is, it's his site and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If you don't like it, just don't submit galleries to it. I personally love the hun and he sends me awesome quality traffic...I could care less if he links to dialers or not. I buy a banner spot there, and yes Code Crawler, they do get clicks LOL! Cassie

01-06-2002, 02:47 PM	#19
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	exactly what i said

01-06-2002, 03:01 PM	#20
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Am not 100% sure but I think I recall thehun say dialers that charge 3,4,5 6, and even $ 8.00 per min. were a rip off. 1st the last time I checked it's his site and it is not yours nor anyone else's business what the hell he wants to sell. Does he go to your site and tell you what you can and should not sell. As to having a dialer on his page now and in the past being very much against them, What the fuck you've never changed your mind and if you have, do you go and ask thehun if it ok. God if people would just not worry so much about what other people are doing or thinking, am sure they would have a much much happier life. Get a fucking life. Jim

01-06-2002, 03:25 PM	#23
Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	CodeCrawler, it's you that is missing the point. Hun has said that he was against Dialers that way Overcharged people and were an outright rip off. His dialer is pretty reasonable. Also get a life dude, it's his site and he can do what he wants with it, just as you and I and the rest of us can do what we want with our sites.... This isn't even worthy of debating any longer, if you don't like anything about Hun or anyone elses sites, then don't submit to them and stop visiting them... Do your own thing the way you want to and stop sticking you nose into other peoples business. Now this was not meant as an attack towards you, but rather just my opinion. ------------------ It's All About Clicks

01-06-2002, 03:32 PM	#24
codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	Wiredoctor, first I didn't take it as an attack Second: I AGREE with what you say. But what Hun says and what Hun does is an entirely different picture. I am merely debating the fact that a dialer ad gets a gallery declined there no matter what dialer is used and how much it charges. And that considered makes his advertising a dialer (no matter what it charges) is wrong. If I use a Vocalis dialer that charges even less and promote it on a gallery it gets declined for dialerads. FYI Vocalis deliveres all types of dialers with different rates per minute you can buy a $ 0.15 per minute as easy as a $ 4 per minute dialer. Now do you get my point? CC ------------------ All webmasters from all countries accepted

01-06-2002, 03:33 PM	#25
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	Codecrawler is a cool dude but like i have seen in the past he whines alot, and also wants people in the porn buisness to all do the most ethical thing ( which s kinda cute, when you think about it). But just like people have said it his site and he seems to be doing a good job with it i think he has a good buisness model that he is following, but maybe codecrawler you can make your site the number 2 adult site and then show him a better way to do it. Im raging on you but hell what did you expect.

01-06-2002, 03:35 PM	#26
codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	Nah you are ragging on points I did not make(read my other posts in this thread) I'm not all that ethicall myself having started out with CJ1 I just think one should practise what one preaches. CC ------------------ All webmasters from all countries accepted

01-07-2002, 04:25 AM	#28
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	"What the hun says and what the does are two different things"?... Huh? Ok, I don't agree there. Let me explain... As a lot of people guessed here 62 cents a minute stated before people even download something is not a rip-off rate. (70 eurocents is about 0.62$) I NEVER said I was against dialers, I always says I was against rip-off dialers that charge an arm and a leg. In many discussions before I made this statement. How can I be against something that is clear (100%, not 80% by tucking away the rate), fair priced and that works? There was a reason I didn't like most dialers... and that was the consumer rate. Today dialers still promise the world and high per-minute-payouts with no statement whatsoever on the consumer price. All dialers that bring up the "no dialer ads please"-message when submitting are charging over 2 dollars a minute. A dialer can be fair, it can offer a fair rate, and it can be used as a great money making tool. There just needs to be a company that looks at both the consumer pricing as well as the webmaster payout for me to get behind it. And I can't do anything else then be behind this one. 62 cents a minute is a fair price. 46 cents per minute are paid to the webmasters. I'm no hypocrite. I basically go by one rule: take care of the surfer. A surfer shouldn't be screwed out of his money. When they know what they'll get and when they know what they'll have to pay they don't mind paying. I am against ripping people off, I'm against blind/misleading advertising, but how can I be against this?

01-07-2002, 04:41 AM	#29
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	BTW, the warning to surfers is still sent out. LOOK AT THE RATES and be careful with what you confirm. I looked at an ad for DialerKing that's on the GFY board. On the site I could find they pay 1$/min, but nowhere there's a consumer rate. I had to download and run the test to find this (after scrolling down through the terms and conditions): US - $7.99us/min premium domestic billing or $1.99us/min international So a whopping 1$/min payout on 7.99$/min consumer rate? Now I'm not going to state here how I feel about that... After that I saw the icon on my start menu and my desktop. Even though I cancelled the program when I saw the rates... Codecrawler, I don't decline galleries with all dialers on there. All dialers that are declined are the ones known to me to charge rates beyong what I think is fair. Please note that it's all what I think is fair. I have my opinion about this and that's why I can deside to list or decline certain galleries on my page. I'm not saying people what they should or shouldn't do, I'm just stating what I'll list and what I won't list... I hate surprises. And I will always do my best to prevent surprises from people that visit my page. ONLY that will result in people coming back the same day. And even if they're not trigger-happy when it comes to paying for something, if they spend a couple of dollars once every year I'm making a living, and that's all I ask for. [This message has been edited by The Hun (edited 01-07-2002).]

01-07-2002, 04:55 AM	#30
Plat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 2,680	TheHun can do whatever the fuck he wants. <--Period ------------------ ClickCash.com \| 60$ per signup \| 50$ signup bonus \| 1:99 conversions

01-07-2002, 06:57 AM	#32
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	cough Asskissers cough hehhe.. Why can't I do whatever I want? ------------------ TeenMafia.com Offshore Clicks - 3c per blind click. .:::Spamming is fun:::.

01-07-2002, 07:16 AM	#34
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	Ass kissing or not but he is right. 0.62$/min is a fair price. After 10minutes you should know what is inside and only get a phonebill from about $6. When you access a site with the dialer from dialerking after 10 minutes you have spend as much as a 3 month membership for most paysites. That dialerking guy is a thief and nothing better then a thief. And the ones promoting him ..think..... The surfer pays 8$/min you get 1$/min he gets 7$/min. You get fucked the surfer gets fucked badly and he gets rich. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.gstringphotos.com" TARGET=_blank>GstringPhotos high quality niche content</A> <A HREF="http://design.sexrater.com" TARGET=_blank>SR-DESIGN for quality adult design</A>

01-07-2002, 03:47 PM	#37
candidpublishinginc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bedford, NH 03110 Posts: 707	In case you guys didn't know, the hun is starting his own dialer network. When it is launched, it will be the only dialer allowed to be promoted on galleries submitted on the hun. The hun is also working hard on making it the most affordable dialer for the consumer too. The reason I know all of this is because we're developing and beta testing our own dialer network too, and word gets around fast on who's starting a dialer network here. ------------------ Candid Clicks Earn up to 4 cents a click for blind link traffic! NO CONVERSIONS, NO BS!

01-07-2002, 03:50 PM	#38
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	The Hun runs shit.. You go boy.. ------------------ Sarcastic-Bastards TGP/Newbie Form Giving Away A Paid Gallery Spot On The Hun To A Random Poster!! Green Thumbs TGP.Com

01-07-2002, 04:26 PM	#39
Plat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 2,680	lol damn straight Notr Hey i left off the "killer" part though... grr clickcash is pissin me off right now, i wont even promote em no more

01-07-2002, 05:57 PM	#40
TheWizard Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: White Rock, BC, Canada Posts: 134	I honestly think........... The Hun cares less what anyone else thinks! Fuck he has like 30,000$ or more a day in webmasters buying advertising off him....... Most Important 1 & half million surfers a day with no trades........ He's set so why should he care????

01-08-2002, 01:46 AM	#43
codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	Ok, last post on this thread for me: Hun: That's bullshit People I know very well submitted pages with a Vocalis dialer charging 35 euro a minute and you declined that for dialer ads so your comment is not true. Quote from what you mailed them: No dialer ads period. Either you/your reviewer(s) don't check the dialer or there's something more at work here(Candid is right on da money me thinks) Second To wizard: If the Hun doesn't care like you say he should not pretend to care. Have fun I said my piece and am done CC ------------------ All webmasters from all countries accepted

01-08-2002, 02:23 AM	#45
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Codecrawler... Three questions: when was that e-mail sent (no dialers period) and what conversation was this about... ... and what gallery did you try to submit that was declined. I'd love to check it out. Ok, fourth question: why didn't you mail about this if it's something from the near future? Ah well... Unlike candid said Fairtale will not be the only dialer allowed on submissions to my site. That would be too indoctrinating. I do know Fairtale has fair prices for both webmasters (affiliate payout) and consumers (consumer rates). Like I said, I don't dislike dialers, I dislike ripoff rates. When dialers came out everybody that was running one told me they couldn't go lower. I wanted to proove 'em wrong...