You are the one who doesn't get it. If you have no confidence in FHG's as a sales tool, fine: don't make them. But if you are going to make them, what is the benefit for YOU in not making them properly?

Once they are out there, for better or worse, to surfers and webmasters, they say something about YOUR business. There is no more logic in putting out half-assed FHG's than in building half-assed tours.

And you cannot seriously imagine that with hundreds of equally saleable sites to choose from, most affiliates aren't going to choose the ones that give them the most help. That isn't laziness... it's common sense. It's plain bloody silly to work with sponsor A who leaves you to sink or swim on your own, if sponsor B has as good a product and helps you do your job.

I'm stuck in the past? You still think it's 2004.

Touche'

No defense for that one....but my point was still valid.

That I will agree with..... but what apparently is lost on you is the reason WHY they are out there in the first place.

with some people yeah, but I dunno, it might be just me but I would have thought anything that can help people make more money would have been more warmly welcomed.
Flash Layer Ads have ridiculous clickthroughs but i don't see near enough people using them.

One way to look at it is why not pay someone to create galleries that are really good and make sales that way :winkwink:

The most successful affiliate program going today is also the first one that offered hosted galleries. Nobody had ever heard of them before that.

That was of course one small part of the reason they were successful....but just like any other industry everyone copies the leader.

I wouldn't classify regurgitated Chinese traffic as the same level as Google.

I never understood why people always referred to submitters as worthless pieces of shit, and then those same people would consider the AVS guys or the search engine guys some sort of God.

Really, what's the difference? Each of them knows how to work a certain traffic source and work it well. They each send traffic. They each generate sales.

Many "hot" sponsors today were built on and for TGP/submitter traffic.

I wouldn't classify someone who took a photshop class as a businessman who understands how to make a profit in a constantly changing industry.

I didn't mean for that to come off as "worthless pieces of shit"..... sorry if you took it that way. But realistically..... looking at the biz as a whole, they are the lowest level.

Is there someone lower?

Low level does not = worthless piece of shit.

Me either.

Fortunately, I never took a photoshop class in my life.

A grunt is lower. :)

I see your point, but then I wonder... how many positions are better than a submitter? I know many submitters that make very good incomes, submitting is the ONLY thing that they do. This is such a strange business when you try to break it down like that...

omg.... :1orglaugh

I see this thread and I'm thinking "right on".

I go check on the galleries I just submitted to Choker....all declined due to rule #1 :error

Does this look like "Banners designed to look like thumbs to big pics" to anyone else?

http://www.naughtypod.com/gallery/re...rn/chindex.php

fuck....i thought it looked ok :disgust

Submitter is where people tend to start in this business.
It has the lowest startup cost and the fastest results.

From there people either learn the biz and move on to other ventures that are more profitable.....or they leave the biz.

People who make a living "just submitting" are becoming more and more rare.

What's funny is I remember when I first started in this business everyone on the newbie boards was saying "DON'T submit to TGP's....you'll just get a huge bandwidth bill and not get any sales....wait until you really know what you're doing before messing with TGP's....especially thehun"
:1orglaugh

anyway... only thing I'm trying to say in this this thread is, we make new tools constantly, give away bandwidth, give away content, over and over and over.....

and then someone comes along and complains about it. "It's not good enough. I want BETTER free shit."

It's really fucking annoying.


We, on the other side, don't live our days to provide you with the ultimate in free shit.

That's all I'm saying.

Amen chocker.

Asking for more and better things is just smart business. Wal-Mart is notorious for bleeding their suppliers dry to get things cheaper cheaper cheaper.
Affiliates trying to get more from their sponsors is no different.

You can't get mad at a duck for quacking.

we got some of the best fhgs in my opinion....no joke..

well, I probably would.... probably wanna snap his damn quacking ass neck and throw him on the grill... lol

but that's why I'm not in public relations.... ;-)

'night Lenny....

good session

Agreed. Quality over quantity!

Ciao

8characters

If you don't give a crap then why the fuck did you start this thread??
:error

man, i'd LOVE to put a flash layer ad on a paid listing lol..

Are there any of those banners in the Guns Blazing affiliates promo tools?

Being completely dumb you might have to take me by the hand and lead me to them but if they are there we'll grab a couple to put up on Gay Man Links

post 'em...lets take a look.

Only way it would work is if it didn't lay over the thumbs....if someone goes to click a thumb and clicks your flash overlay ad the TGP's are gonna have a problem with that.

I thought you were just talking about flash banners or something before.

good post :)

I got 2 so far, but I'll be finishing up a few more soon!

I apoligize for rejecting them, they are extremely nice galleries, but the banners that look like thumbs are just too much. Even if they had text on them it would work, but as it is they look like thumbs that will go to a big pic. I really did not want to reject them as I could tell they took a lot of time to design.

Heya Steve :) I'm working on them atm actually, take a look at http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/gaymanlinks.html
it's not finished, no close button, no tricky code and linking etc but they command attention like a mofo thats a taste test i guess before i add some clickier text and make them work a little better.

other things would be hosting banners like :
http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/468x60.html

we're going to be pumping out some great promo tools over the next month or so.

i was.. i was talking something like this:
http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/hb_tgp2.html
except where the little flash bit is, that whole area might be a kickass flash block.

i was just having a giggle about a FLA on a gallery..

See my fhg:
3 various , some of them almost clean ... high resol. up to 900

http://teensgarden.com/affiliate/hosted.htm

Command attention????????????

She nearly had a fit until I told her that I wasn't really looking at Gay Man Links - once she settled down all she could say was:

"I love it - I want one?"

so you better warn Brian - she'll probably be on the phone to him tomorrow nagging him to give her one :)

They certainly are very eye catching

I had a dream...a dream that we lived in a world where FHG and free-hosting didn't exist...it was a beautiful thing let me tell you..

here's a newbie tip:
you will almost always do better building your own galleries than using FHJGs (yes,m I'm admitting this as a sponsor) You want better results? send me some token traffic, I'll hook you up with a password to grab your own content and build your own galleries, then it'll match your site and creativity and you'll make more $$$$$ long term

FHGs are a tool just like banners, FPAs, etc. not everyone will work for every affiliate and their traffic...you need to know your traffic and give them what they want to sell them

I understand the issue with video screen caps, but if the site is primarily a video site, the caps won't always be 100% crystal clear.....the screen caps should be presented as samples of what they will see when they join the site to watch the VIDEOS those snaps are taken from...they shouldn't be sold to the surfer as stand alone content...

Choker, I could easily make the graphics that don't go to an image non-clickable. Would that work? ICQ me 222931855

hehehehehehe fits are just part of the service :)

Yes of course, it's those polaroid snaps that cause me to stop. Lots of guys have galleries with those and the thumbs are clickable to the big pics, follow me?

nasty d ?

Screencaps usually convert better than photo or video; the viewer can tell there is video available from the site but it hasn't been given away for free, so they sign up to the site more often to d/l the vids.

This isn't only my own observations, other paysite owners have confirmed this.

There's a difference between screencap and shitty screencaps.

You'd be amazed at some of the shit people try to pass off as content.

I hate my FHG
http://tgp.pornaccess.com/galleries/...stasy/0000074/

Some please take it away!!!