And why is that? Also, how much money has XTV lost because of this? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm trying to judge actual losses)

Ahh now XTV is responsible for paying off IBILL debts? LMFAO you people can't be serious.

Excellent question Fabian. If I did business with XTV, I would feel like first and foremost I am doing business with the the people who founded and built XTV. No doubt about it.

However, I would also know that 25% of the profits made on the business I sent to XTV would be lining the pockets of IBD (iBill is a wholly owned subsidiary of IBD).

Now, is that enough for me not to do business with XTV? I really don't know. I just think it is fair that anyone faced with that decision understand the facts of who they are doing business with.

I personally think XTV has a good product, and will be successful. I wish no bad on anyone ever. I don't know you, never met you, and wish you nothing but the best.

hi Sherie, long time no talk :)

Personally I have no ill feelings toward xtv or Fabien, I think its a great idea and hope to see you guys make a huge success of it. I'm just looking for some clarification on some things and to me Fabian has been rather shady about this whole relationship for quite some time. Every press release out there about iBill in the past several months has had mention of iBill, IBD & XTV so its only natural for people to equate them together.

The thing is Fabien comes out and says theres no relationship between iBill and XTV and then 5 minutes later we find out IBD (Which owns ibill) has a 25% OWNERSHIP of XTV.

1. I continue to say that XTV is not IBD. IBD has simply invested into XTV. (also, my statement was made a month before IBD announced it had invested into XTV)

2. I'm just going by a statement made in this thread. One of the companies you own stopped paying and isn't tracking hits. How is that a "personal" attack? FYI, You saying "dumber" in a personal note is a personal attack (Me calling you a fucking wanker would be a personal attack!)

Yes you made your statement a month earlier, but the letter of intent was already in place (12/3/04). No XTV isn't IBD, but IBD owns 25% of XTV, which is a very considerable, strategic stake.

I don't own any companies, and all my affiliates are paid in full, 100% every week. We bought some URLs and content from someone. They still own the rebills that are being processed as well as any revshare payouts on those rebills.

I do apologize for the personal attack and calling you dumb. Like I said, I have no ill will towards you or XTV. People should make their own decisions on who to do business with. However, they should be informed before making them.

Heya Mickey...it sure has been!

Regarding Fabian being "shady" he hasn't been shady, the deal just went through recently. IBD is an investment house, I'm sure I don't have to explain to anyone what that means. IBD was around before XTV and around before IBILL. There is not a cut and dry answer here. There are many factors I would assume with this whole IBILL and IBD deal. However, the point that we are trying to make is that XTV was around before IBILL started having problems, there were investors outside of IBD prior to all of the IBILL shit. XTV has not been funded with monies owed by IBILL, how could they when IBILL doesn't even have access to it's own money? It's just getting tiresome having MacDaddy try to tarnish the reputation of a company that has done nothing wrong, infact it's down right obnoxious how he continues to make his statements regarding IBILL and XTV, like XTV is the one that fucked webmasters out of money, which we all know is not the case.

well now that all that's out of the way, Does anyone know what happened to my revshare money??? hEHehe

No worries, it's GFY and I don't take anything personal. I've understood your point from the beginning and I agree that webmasters should be informed. The information I've provided and keep providing states that they're doing business with me and with David Koenig. Not will IBD and especially NOT with Ibill. What Ibill has done to webmasters had definitely had a negative impact. However, it appears that Ibill's new owner is making an attempt to clean up the mess. To me, that's a class act if it follows through. Even if it doesn't I'm not going to blame IBD because Ibill had their problems lined up way before anyone heard of IBD. Again, IBD is an investment firm getting into the adult game. Would you turn down money from IBD to improve your program? Like I said before, I welcome anyone to give me a call if they have any questions regarding XTV. David and I come from a long history of running successful companies, making webmasters millions of dollars, and are one of the few remaining honest people in this business. That isn't going to change. :thumbsup

Sherie,

I am not trying to tarnish anyone's reputation, just clarifying a fact that has been denied over and over agian. Now that the truth is finally out, and finally admitted to, the point is moot.

IBD (owner of iBill) owns a significant, 25% strategic stake in XTV. Thats all I ever claimed and the only point I wanted to make. Now that its out, let people decided for themselves, based on the facts, who they wish to do business with.

this is a good post man, I wish you would have explained it like this earlier. :thumbsup


edit: 51 something or anothers, im not even sure anymore :)

im out, going fishing for the rest of the day. If anyone has ANY information on the US revshare payouts please post below. Thanks :)

I don't question you or David's integrity and hell no, I wouldn't turn down investment money from IBD.

However, accepting investment money from IBD, and giving them ownership in your company, indeed does mean that when they do business with you they are doing business with IBD. If XTV profits, and I hope you all do, IBD profits.

I won't even begin to get into IBD and the role they played in what happened and is happening at iBill. I'm not sure if you truly understand who IBD is, but I do, and they definitely share blame in the demise of iBill.

I'm sorry, but comments like this "Maybe if they make enough money with XTV, revsharers will get paid out????" and others similiar to this can tarnish a companies reputation. I'm not quite sure how you don't see that.

Regardless, yes, the truth is out there and has always been out there, nobody was denying it. We were not 100% sure of what was going to happen with IBD, so we certainly were not about to back up your claims at that point in time. There is nothing to hide, XTV is it's own program and the only people we owe anything to are our webmasters and other affiliates, we are not going to sit idley by while being slammed and have others insinuate the goings on. I'm glad you are happy with the answers that you got, now perhaps we can all go about our daily business and I would imagine that you will not be hoping in every IBILL thread to talk about XTV.?. Have a great day =)

I won't be jumping in every iBill thread. However, I do want everyone to understand the details of who they are doing business with when they do business with XTV and I will continue to educate webmasters.

LOL The GFY Caped Crusader. Get all of your facts straight and do a tutorial somewhere and educate that way. Going back and forth on a board where I would say a good portion do not care to understand what's go in is lame, it just seems as tho you got something to prove or gain. You want to try to fuck XTV over before it even gains ground, go ahead and try, just remember, what comes around goes around.

Anyway, I have work to do again have a great day!

I have no interest in fucking XTV or anyone. Please hit me up on ICQ as I would like some clarification from you on the facts I don't have straight and agree this isn't the forum. I do think I could enlighten you a little bit though.

It's all good Sherie, and I wish you nothing but success and proseperity. You all have a great product and I think it will be a hit.