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Canon 20D lense choice advice!

04-18-2005, 01:17 AM

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As some of you know, I'm about to buy a 20D for car/girl photos, indoor, cramped space photos ( no / little room for lights ) and outdoor shots.

I'm going to order the stuff tomorrow, and so far here is the lense I have chosen based on the advice of the all wise Aaron M, and the dude on the phone at the camera place:

http://www.adencamera.com/prod-overv...125&Category=7

What do you think? Any other Canon lenses I should look at?

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04-18-2005, 01:22 AM

i use a 50mm 1.4 prime on all my shoots. that 24-70L zoom is a great lens

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04-18-2005, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by parazzi

i use a 50mm 1.4 prime on all my shoots. that 24-70L zoom is a great lens

Yeah the salesman told me it would be the only lense I would ever need! Of course, he's trying to sell me a $1600 dollar lense...

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04-18-2005, 01:38 AM

Good choice on the camera bro, that lens looks pretty slick too.

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04-18-2005, 01:59 AM

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Good choice on the camera bro, that lens looks pretty slick too.

I might be moving downtown soon too.

Not looking forward to "steal anything" underground parking.

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04-18-2005, 02:04 AM

maybe CANON EF28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM + CANON EF50mm f/1.4 USM and you save $800

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04-18-2005, 02:15 AM

Just remember that on your 20D a 24mm focal length will be the same as a 38.4mm lens on a full frame/film camera, due to the smaller sensor.

Are you ordering by mail or can you go in and see it?

You could probably even get away with the 18-55mm EF-S kit lens for starters, and figure out where you need to go from there. Better to spend +$150 on the kit lens than $1600 on your L glass and realise the zoom range isn't sufficient...?
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04-18-2005, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by rowan

Just remember that on your 20D a 24mm focal length will be the same as a 38.4mm lens on a full frame/film camera, due to the smaller sensor.

Are you ordering by mail or can you go in and see it?

You could probably even get away with the 18-55mm EF-S kit lens for starters, and figure out where you need to go from there. Better to spend +$150 on the kit lens than $1600 on your L glass and realise the zoom range isn't sufficient...?

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Although, will I really need much zoom since the camera has a crazy ass 8 MP resolution?

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04-18-2005, 02:35 AM

if you're gonna have cramped space, i'd go with a wider angle lense.. maybe 18mm? and closer ratio to 1 (1:1) the better... but they get expensive

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04-18-2005, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Huggles

Uhhh, uhhhh.... Beavis, uhhh

I don't get it

Although, will I really need much zoom since the camera has a crazy ass 8 MP resolution?

The low end Canon sensors have what is called a 1.6 times crop factor, which means that you have to multiply the focal length that is printed on the lens by 1.6. If you put the lens on a normal film body and then onto your 20D it's like you've zoomed in 1.6 times.

So it's not the telephoto (zoom) end of the range you have to worry about - you may find yourself in a situation where you can't "pull back" any further...

I found even 18mm wasn't wide enough on my 1.6X crop camera, so I went for a 12-24mm lens. That's a fairly extreme change though, if you're doing portraits you probably don't want to go that wide.
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04-18-2005, 02:54 AM

I might be moving downtown soon too.

Not looking forward to "steal anything" underground parking.

Awesome bro, underground parking is a nightmare down here. I just leave the top off my car when I park it, I don't need anymore broken windows.

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04-18-2005, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by rowan

The low end Canon sensors have what is called a 1.6 times crop factor, which means that you have to multiply the focal length that is printed on the lens by 1.6. If you put the lens on a normal film body and then onto your 20D it's like you've zoomed in 1.6 times.

So it's not the telephoto (zoom) end of the range you have to worry about - you may find yourself in a situation where you can't "pull back" any further...

I found even 18mm wasn't wide enough on my 1.6X crop camera, so I went for a 12-24mm lens. That's a fairly extreme change though, if you're doing portraits you probably don't want to go that wide.

did the 12mm give you a fish eye effect?

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04-18-2005, 03:00 AM

Great lens. any L series lens is going to rock.
If you want to shoot GonzoVision style content, get yourself a fisheye.

For wideangle, you can't go past the 16-35 f3.5 L

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04-18-2005, 03:32 AM

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did the 12mm give you a fish eye effect?

No, it's a rectilinear lens and there's very little barrel distortion, so if you're pointing at a vertical or horizontal line it stays straight. There is another kind of issue though - perspective distortion. If you point your lens too far off the vertical horizon then the edges start leaning inwards:

It's not necessarily bad, sometimes I think those crazy diagonals add to the image:

One problem with ultra wide lenses is that subjects off-centre tend to get stretched towards the edges, which might make some content girls upset. "Does this lens make me look fat?"
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04-18-2005, 03:56 AM

yeah, i'd say 12mm is overboard for content.

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04-18-2005, 06:00 AM

sigma 24-70 2.8 its a great lens and about $500
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04-18-2005, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by tony404

sigma 24-70 2.8 its a great lens and about $500

Has nothing on the Canon L series though..

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04-18-2005, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Has nothing on the Canon L series though..

actually if you go the photography boards they say its very close and when you consider the price is less than half its a great deal.
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04-18-2005, 07:11 AM

we use the canon ef 24-70 lens - it makes great pics but a bit more zoom would be cool. looking for some addition right now

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04-18-2005, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by tony404

actually if you go the photography boards they say its very close and when you consider the price is less than half its a great deal.

Yeah, it depends on what purpose you're using it for.
Most lenses, you wont notice on your 6x8 prints.

If you're a picky bastard, or blow up your photos, then you'll see the L series glass doing you justice

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04-18-2005, 07:32 AM

well, if you want a larger lens, and youa are not very keen of the ideea of spending 1.6k on a Canon L, I advise you to look at the following:

Sigma 18-125 EXDG - my fave price/performance related
Canon 18-55 kit lens - el cheapo
Tokina 12-24/4 - around 500$ new
Sigma 12-24
Canon 10-22

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04-18-2005, 11:33 AM

So everyone agrees the L-series will kick ass for doing single-girl-site style shoots?

I am going to buy it in 30 minutes.

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04-18-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Huggles

So everyone agrees the L-series will kick ass for doing single-girl-site style shoots?

I am going to buy it in 30 minutes.

Please tell me that you are talking about 1600 cad because if not, you are paying too much.
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04-18-2005, 11:59 AM

$1600 cnd!

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04-18-2005, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Yeah, it depends on what purpose you're using it for.
Most lenses, you wont notice on your 6x8 prints.

If you're a picky bastard, or blow up your photos, then you'll see the L series glass doing you justice

That's a good point. Do you need top quality glass when all of your images will end up at 1024 pixels max on the longest side in a members area?
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04-18-2005, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by rowan

No, it's a rectilinear lens and there's very little barrel distortion, so if you're pointing at a vertical or horizontal line it stays straight. There is another kind of issue though - perspective distortion. If you point your lens too far off the vertical horizon then the edges start leaning inwards:

It's not necessarily bad, sometimes I think those crazy diagonals add to the image:

One problem with ultra wide lenses is that subjects off-centre tend to get stretched towards the edges, which might make some content girls upset. "Does this lens make me look fat?"

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04-18-2005, 12:45 PM

Canon 24-70 2.8 "L"

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04-18-2005, 01:50 PM

get canon 17-40/f4 L, Canon 50/1.8 and possibly the 24-70/L if you want to have zoom for the higher range. Also, many people (michael reichman too - www.luminous-landscapes.com) like the canon 17-85 lens. not a L grade lens but when you ask a question like this I assume you are not a pro and will be satisfied with this one as well.

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04-18-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by vickyQ

I assume you are not a pro and will be satisfied with this one as well.

I don't even know how to use a lense

You'll be seeing me begging someone on the boards to teach me how to download the pics from the camera to my laptop

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04-18-2005, 01:57 PM

I did not mean to offend you nor make fun of you. I'm not a pro myself and many times I asked for help on the internet.

I gave you my opinion - for crowded space the 17mm at the widest end is a wise choice...

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