MetaformX

Would you promote StudioCash if u got $25 a trial converting at 1 in 300 (1st page)?

The 1 in 300 is what we have been averaging for the ENTIRE program the last 2 days after we made some changes. I think that is significant because affiliates have all kind of traffic, and to average 1 in 300 for an entire program is awsome, but it is just 2 days, so I won't get too ahead of myself.

Since it is a brand new program, right now we are experimenting with payouts and I know that most of our wbemasters would rather have a pure PPS model than what we currently have, which is $35 per trial that converts to a monthly.

Webmasters want to see results right away, So, I am going to change our business model and go with a pure PPS model. Would you promote StudioCash if we paid you $25 per trial and you

Yes, I realize a few programs will pay you $30 or even $35 a trial, but I am talking about conversions that are consistently 1 in 200 - 1 in 400 with TGP traffic counting FIRST PAGE HITS, not join page or 2nd page.

If that was the scenario, would you do it for $25 a trial?

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Sly

Sure, I've done $25 before and I'm sure I will again. Though you should realize that those conversions are going to drop as you get more affiliates and traffic. Instead of even mentioning the conversions, just ask if people would accept $25 per trial, which I think they would. Of course, the more you pay the more traffic you'll get.

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DateDoc

do you have FHGs yet????

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MetaformX

Your right, the conversions are probably going to drop as the sites get more saturated and there is more afifliates. I guess the reason I brought up the conversions is because I am assuming that many webmasters will just look at the $25 price tag and then look at someone else that is paying $35 a trial and it would be hard to compete with that, all else being equal.

But when the conversions come into the equation, than it makes it a different story.

At the end of the day, they are going to go with whoever makes them the most money. I am just wondering how many would at least give us a try at $25 a signup.

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MetaformX

Hi, I posted in the other thread you made, I think you missed it.

We will not have any FHG's untill after the beta is completed. The reason for
not having the FHG's right away is when you offer FHG's, the market will get saturated with them right away because every webmaster with a TGP will put them up, and the conversions for our beta testers will suffer greatly.

Of course FHG's will benefit the program because of the large volume of sales that it creates, but not for our individual webmaster since the sites will not be as fresh.

We will be offering Gallery templates that our webmasters could use to promote the sites with if they like. Those will be up next week.

Please let me know if there is something else that you might need.

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Kris The Knife

yup i will... i need members area pass to get content for my galleries

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Robertf

$25 is okay .. if thats when you send it to a popup free tour

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MetaformX

We won't be offering the $25 per signup for another 3 weeks. I'll hit you up tomorow and see If you want to promote it with the current payout model ($35 per active) and get a head start untill we switch.

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MetaformX

There will be 1 popup, max.

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DateDoc

A lot of ppl will overlook you at $25. That isn't always a bad thing. If you have a few hundred sponsors doing very well with you as opposed to the masses doing okay I'd take the few hundred sponsors doing well as your material is less viewed making it more new to someone else. Your best sponsors will always be on rev share though. Costs you less up front but provides better results for the affiliate. Imagine if you could brag that you had an avg retention of 12 months.

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DateDoc

Yes, can I have content to make my own galleries? Sorry I missed your other post. I watched that thread for like an hr but we must have missed each other. No biggie.

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Tempest

Popups or not?
I'm not sure why the question is even being asked. There's a ton of programs that pay $25-$30 for popup free trial sales and $30+ for trials with popups.

MetaformX

Sure! Please send Luke an email, he will hook you up with content! support [at] studiocash.com

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MetaformX

I am asking because I want to know how many will actually give a program a try thats paying $25 a trial when most are paying $30 or $35.

There will be 1 popup max.

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Tempest

I don't see why it would matter to anyone other than those that send mass traffic to $35+/signup with popups. The majority of WMs have a mixture of PPS and revshare programs that probably average out to less than $20 a signup anyway.

For me, the 1 popup at $25 would be an issue since most of my sponsors pay $25+ without popups.

Having said that, if you had a killer site in the niches I promote it wouldn't matter one damn bit. Killer content/sites sells a crap load and make up for everything else.

Matt_WildCash

$25 per trial is fine, if you can pay $25 per $1 trial that will be fine for most webmasters.

Dirty F

Metadork, you keep starting threads that will blow up in your face sooner or later.

You should take some reality pills.

From guaranteed payouts to "affiliates" MONTHS ago before you even had a program to "affiliates" making ridiculous program test posts to now 1:300 conversions after exactly 2 days which means total shit yet making promises again you can never keep.

You seem so clueless about this whole business.

Dirty F

If you can and will pay 25 per signup, cool, but please stop acting as if everybody is gonna do 1:300...you should know better by now.

MetaformX

You're right, I am clueless about this business.
Last 3 days admin stats for the entire program.


Would you like to eat your words now or later?

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Dirty F

Read motherfucker.

Once again im saying youre clueless if you think everybody is gonna do 1:300 so stop promising shit. I thought you learned from your previous mistakes but obvisouly you didnt.

Want me to prove you wrong? Shall i send some total shit foreign 404 traffic and make a huge ass post how you promise 1:300 yet im doing 1:5000???

Idiot.

Dirty F

Im not bashing your program here. It looks cool and i bet it converts good...no problem with your program...just a problem with your silly behaviour which started months ago before you fucking even had content. Several threads made you look retarded and you just keep doing it...

Dirty F

Just say "im gonna pay $25 per signup" and thats it.
If it converts good then people will send you traffic. If they do bad they will try another program. Just stop promising ratios. Thats not how it works.

MetaformX

Chill bro, high blood pressure will shorten your life.

Am I saying every single person is going to do 1 in 300? Of course not.

I am saying IF most did 1 in 300. It was a hypothetical question if you read my 1st post.

And since you are so good at math and know this industry so well, you should know that a program has a very diverse number of people sending it traffic, people with 404 and such as you mentionede, which means if the ratios for the entire program for the last 3 days is 1 in 300 after the 404 and other traffic, there is alot of people who are doing 1 in 150.

Now did I say "if everyone did 1 in 150"? No, I took the average. THE AVERAGE.

And I do have a guy who is sending me pure 404 traffic...he is doing 1 in 1400 on 404, not 1 in 5000.

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MetaformX

I'm not promising ratios. But if it seemed like I was promising ratios in this thread (which i re-read the thread and it does NOT look that way) then you are right, I would be wrong to do that.

But I am not promising anything. Just putting out a hypothetical question.

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Tempest

I think the point Franck is trying to make is that you need to tell the sheep what you're going to pay them for the privilege of promoting your program.. Make the decision, make an announcement give away a t-shirt in some competition thing and away you go.. if you're asking sheep whether they'll promote your site with certain payouts, then you look weak and like you don't know what you're doing.. which will drive even the sheep away.

MetaformX

I agree with you, but Franck likes busting my balls, so even if I said what you said, he might still bust my balls

I don't know what we will pay, that is the purpose of the thread, as we are changing our business model and trying to figure out what payout will be most receptive to our webmasters.

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stevo

Awe dont hide the hits/signup fields!

Nice site btw... but that took you 2.5 yrs?

stevo

Do you have or will you ever have a revshare program?

MetaformX

Thanks!

No, we have 5 sites, but we are releasing them individualy, thats the 1st site thats been released. We will release our Interracial site next week.

It took 2.5 years total, but I was not working on it fulltime for that long, the project started that long ago. I had to work on other projects as well at the same time to fund StudioCash and of course...eat!

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MetaformX

Don't have one currently, but it is a possibility. We will concentrate on the PPS at first though before jumping into the revshare.

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Dirty F

Odd, most programs do it the other way around.

MetaformX

Right, but most of our webmasters are requesting the PPS over the revshare, and overall there is more demand with PPS. I know that there are many webmasters who swear by revshare, they are just outnumbered.

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Dirty F

Oh sure, but i mean from a program owners perspective. Its usually easier to start with revshare. I mean paying per signup can be risky for new programs.

Jace

from the welcome email
> 1 in 28 with Search Engine traffic.
> 1 in 166 with MGP traffic.
> 1 in 191 with TGP traffic.

guess i should get some se shit up then....can't pass up 1:28 se ratio

Dirty F

Im gonna buy some google adwords. 1000 hits a day.

Thats 35 sales a day...not bad.

Jace

i wouldn't technically consider adwords "se traffic"...LOL

Tempest

The sad thing is that there are people that will think that you would actually be able to get that..

flashfire

I would but who knows if it would convert that well for me

stevo

Are you going to offer webmasters $25 for your "$1 Three Days Full Unlimited Access" trial, or are you going to change this pricing to something else?

Is your 1 in 300 ratio, mostly based off of these $1 trials? or are people actually purchasing $38.77 memberships?

I'll send you some mad traffic if it stays at $25 per $1 trial!

will76

You asked an honest question and i will give you a straight answer. Yes I think people will advertise your site for $25 a trial join, but I don't understand why they would when other sites pay much much more ? Just seems like common sense someoen would want to start with the company that pays the most, if they don't make good money with them, then move to the next highest on the list. Why start at the bottom and work your way up.. but don't sweat it. people will still join, they would for $20 a trail join

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jayeff

With a clean design and a $1 trial for anal movies I'm not surprized you are getting good signups. But I would be surprized if your conversions to full $38.77 a month memberships are going to be anywhere near as exciting. And if you don't make a trial-to-full conversion ratio of near 60% you are going to be depending on your consoles, upsells, etc., just to break even on your gross. Nor with hardcore movies would I figure on a particularly good retention ratio...

What you can figure on with the deal you are suggesting (and assuming you promote your program well enough), is plenty of traffic: including a bunch from the people with a solid base of sign-and-cancel surfers. Maybe you can deal with all of that if you know enough about working consoles, cancellations, upsells, etc. Still, each tweak you have to make to accomodate your committments to affiliates, is going to make your site less attractive to its customers. It's a downward spiral producing diminishing returns and Version# of your program shouldn't be long coming. If you don't run out of money first.

I know a site like yours needs volume and if you are going to rely on affiliates, you have to compete for them on the open market. But at least in terms of published payment rates, affiliates are seriously over-valued and that sticks you with high prices to your customers and all the other tricks you need to try to balance the books. In your place I would be looking at other ways to generate my initial traffic and sales.

Rui

read what this man said, he is dead on...

If the convertion from trials to full-joins isnt anywhere near decent you will endup getting seriously fucked.

Ence what battus said that most sponsors start with revshare...

Its a dangerous "game" and I do wish you the best luck with it.

MetaformX

Yes, $25 for a trial, but the trial will change to $3-$4.

Our 1 in 300 is based off of trials mostly.

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Sly

The more you change your pricing and structure, the more you give off the impression that you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.

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polish_aristocrat

it shouldnt be any worse

btw what's SE traffic - i never understand it... people are always implying like surfers searching in google for "hot babes" would convert 1:70 on any paysite, lol

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MetaformX

I don't think anyone is getting that impression, but if they are, keep in mind we are in the Beta stage. We didn't call it a Beta just to be cute, but because we are testing things out to see what works and what does not. Our ratios are awsome, now we judt need to find a payout model that will satisfy both us and our webmasters.

Our webmasters told us they love their conversions, but want something better than the $35 per active that we are paying. We listened, and are going to change our payout model.

If anything, I would think most webmasters would be impressed by the fact that we are willing to listen to our webmasters and meet their needs and change, experiment and adapt to changing market conditions.

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Theo

earnings per click is what matters at the end. I don't take payout structure as main factor when picking sponsors. Don't forget the bigplayers $50 fiasco.

spacemonk

Didnt he convince you yet?

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Manowar

Nice conversions. Paying on trials would be nice