Question for Paysite owners... - GoFuckYourself.com

Machine · 01-06-2002, 09:58 PM

When starting a paysite, is it better to offer a trial membership, or hit the surfer up for the full amount right from the get go?

Any advice on paysites is greatly appreciated.

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Amputate Your Head · 01-06-2002, 10:00 PM

trial

UnseenWorld · 01-06-2002, 10:07 PM

Like most of the questions asked on this and other boards, the answer depends. If you have a killer tour and unique content available nowhere else, you might try just hitting 'em up for the full amount. Otherwise, a trial would seem the way to go.

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CC · 01-06-2002, 10:16 PM

I agree 100% with Unseen. It totally depends on the site. For instance, I own an amateur teen paysite that converts like crazy with any kind of traffic I give it. I have tried it both with a trial and without a trial, and my conversion rate stays just around 1:200 either way! So, I make MUCH more money with NO trial for that particular site.

Bottom line is to try it both ways and see which way makes more money for your particular site.

Cassie

Amputate Your Head · 01-06-2002, 10:21 PM

Set it up without a trial.... and if they exit without signing up, pop a console and offer a trial then.

quiet · 01-06-2002, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by CC:
I agree 100% with Unseen. It totally depends on the site. For instance, I own an amateur teen paysite that converts like crazy with any kind of traffic I give it. I have tried it both with a trial and without a trial, and my conversion rate stays just around 1:200 either way! So, I make MUCH more money with NO trial for that particular site.

Bottom line is to try it both ways and see which way makes more money for your particular site.

Cassie

same here.

The Other Steve · 01-06-2002, 11:44 PM

Marie and I run a paysite with a 7 day trial - we get about 40% rebill on the trial - but I like Amp's idea - we might just try that

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Xa Graphics · 01-07-2002, 07:38 AM

of course trial.

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jimmyf · 01-07-2002, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Xa Graphics:
of course trial.

Am using Nutscape 4.7xx, you should take a look at your page with NutScape.

Jim

RFC · 01-07-2002, 02:14 PM

I think it's better to start with trial. Surfers just love "free" stuff.

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Machine · 01-07-2002, 04:56 PM

Thanks everybody!

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BV · 01-07-2002, 08:14 PM

I say fuck a trial membership. If you have something that someone wants to buy and give them a choice of paying a few dollars or paying 20 - 30 dollars, what do you think most will choose? Once the surfer joins your site his "retention" will basically be the same. If a surfer doesn't join your site because you don't have a trial, chances are he's not going to recur anyways, so you might as well get the full price up front. I think it's fair to say that over half of your new signups will not recur. (50% is good imo) So say you get 100 signups a day. Would you rather have 400 dollars (4.00 trial) or 2400 dollars??? (24.00 membership).

IMO trial memberships are more for the SUPER BIG SITES that know that they can retain a customer a long time as well as a marketing strategy to get webmasters pushing their programs. (i.e.: big$ per signup programs)

But hey whatever works go for it! I did and am very happy with the amount of extra money it generated for me as well as for my partners pushing my program.

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quiet · 01-07-2002, 08:43 PM

agreed BV. my largest paysite has just passed 11,000 members. no trials. and it's growing like a motherfucka. but hey, i won't argue conventional wizdom ;)

Brian · 01-07-2002, 10:14 PM

11,000 members? Dayum. That be a whole lotta money in your pocket.

Feel free to share your knowledge with me on icq, hehe.

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Beerdude12 · 01-07-2002, 10:23 PM

Damn, I have a hard time getting 11,000 hits

eRock · 01-07-2002, 10:36 PM

I don't own a paysite, but if I did I wouldn't offer a trial. After reading this I like how BV is thinking...and I like Amp's idea.

Beerdude12 · 01-07-2002, 10:40 PM

To take it a step further, has anyone ever found certain niche's that do or don't need trials? Does that make sense?

BV · 01-07-2002, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Set it up without a trial.... and if they exit without signing up, pop a console and offer a trial then.

I agree this is better than advertizing it up front, but most paysite tours are designed to get the surfer to the signup page on every page. So chances are your little secret will be detected early on from a serious buyer. I have sent traffic to programs that do just that and 90% of my signups were still trials.
Just think if there were NO trials anywhere??
Trials Suck.
Some times I think they were just invented by some webmasters a long time ago as an easier way to fuck the surfer in rebills back before the CC companies started issuing heavy fines on all that crap, who knows....

Bottom line. No Trial = Mo Money

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Amputate Your Head · 01-07-2002, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BV:
I agree this is better than advertizing it up front, but most paysite tours are designed to get the surfer to the signup page on every page. So chances are your little secret will be detected early on from a serious buyer. I have sent traffic to programs that do just that and 90% of my signups were still trials.
Just think if there were NO trials anywhere??
Trials Suck.
Some times I think they were just invented by some webmasters a long time ago as an easier way to fuck the surfer in rebills back before the CC companies started issuing heavy fines on all that crap, who knows....

Bottom line. No Trial = Mo Money

Don't be so closed minded man... trials are not necessarily a bad thing. It's much easier to convince someone to spend $3.95 or whatever, than $29.95 or $39.95 straight outta the box... the idea behind it is to get them to sign up... period. Hopefully they will get too busy or whatever, and forget to cancel before the trial is up... hence, the kicking in of rebilling... there really is some thought behind it man.

But hey... all I was trying to say is hit 'em for the full price in the tour, and if the close out of the signup page without buying, then slap a trial console on 'em as a last ditch effort... I'd rather take a chance on them forgetting to cancel than not getting a signup at all.

But then, I don't know shit.... I'm just a designer. You guys promote them however you like, in whatever ways make you money. I just offer up my advice and opinions on what I would do... doesn't mean it's right.

The New Bottom Line: No signups, (trial or not) = No Chance For Money.

eRock · 01-07-2002, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Beerdude12:
To take it a step further, has anyone ever found certain niche's that do or don't need trials? Does that make sense?

Blacksonblondes.com

BV · 01-08-2002, 12:32 AM

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But then, I don't know shit.... I'm just a designer. You guys promote them however you like, in whatever ways make you money. I just offer up my advice and opinions on what I would do... doesn't mean it's right.

The New Bottom Line: No signups, (trial or not) = No Chance For Money.

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I'm sure you know plenty. I'm just voicing my opinion on what worked for me and explaining why I think so. Nothing against you at all. I just really think trials suck. Just think how much more money everyone would have made today if every signup was full price?

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BV · 01-08-2002, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by eRock:
Blacksonblondes.com

http://fuckingmachines.com/ and http://www.bangbus.com/ have no trial
hmmm

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01-06-2002, 09:58 PM	#1
Machine Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 660	Question for Paysite owners... When starting a paysite, is it better to offer a trial membership, or hit the surfer up for the full amount right from the get go? Any advice on paysites is greatly appreciated. ------------------ Machine Webmastercommerce.com

01-06-2002, 10:00 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	trial

01-06-2002, 10:07 PM	#3
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Like most of the questions asked on this and other boards, the answer depends. If you have a killer tour and unique content available nowhere else, you might try just hitting 'em up for the full amount. Otherwise, a trial would seem the way to go. ------------------ Check out the new content at Wonders of the Unseen World

01-06-2002, 10:16 PM	#4
CC Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,690	I agree 100% with Unseen. It totally depends on the site. For instance, I own an amateur teen paysite that converts like crazy with any kind of traffic I give it. I have tried it both with a trial and without a trial, and my conversion rate stays just around 1:200 either way! So, I make MUCH more money with NO trial for that particular site. Bottom line is to try it both ways and see which way makes more money for your particular site. Cassie

01-06-2002, 10:21 PM	#5
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Set it up without a trial.... and if they exit without signing up, pop a console and offer a trial then.

01-06-2002, 11:44 PM	#7
The Other Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sunny Queensland - perfect one day and better the next. Posts: 2,106	Marie and I run a paysite with a 7 day trial - we get about 40% rebill on the trial - but I like Amp's idea - we might just try that ------------------ The Other Steve

01-07-2002, 07:38 AM	#8
Xa Graphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 430	of course trial. -------------------- *LIMITED TIME OFFER* Only $350.00 for a full paysite design! Xa Graphics - Click Here Now! --------------------

01-07-2002, 02:14 PM	#10
RFC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 71	I think it's better to start with trial. Surfers just love "free" stuff. ------------------ Quality Design www.ttadultdesign.com. ICQ 145917520

01-07-2002, 04:56 PM	#11
Machine Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 660	Thanks everybody! ------------------ Machine Webmastercommerce.com

01-07-2002, 08:14 PM	#12
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	I say fuck a trial membership. If you have something that someone wants to buy and give them a choice of paying a few dollars or paying 20 - 30 dollars, what do you think most will choose? Once the surfer joins your site his "retention" will basically be the same. If a surfer doesn't join your site because you don't have a trial, chances are he's not going to recur anyways, so you might as well get the full price up front. I think it's fair to say that over half of your new signups will not recur. (50% is good imo) So say you get 100 signups a day. Would you rather have 400 dollars (4.00 trial) or 2400 dollars??? (24.00 membership). IMO trial memberships are more for the SUPER BIG SITES that know that they can retain a customer a long time as well as a marketing strategy to get webmasters pushing their programs. (i.e.: big$ per signup programs) But hey whatever works go for it! I did and am very happy with the amount of extra money it generated for me as well as for my partners pushing my program. ------------------ BikiniVoyeur: 50% Payouts Weekly! Plus Re Bills! Pimp the Real Shit

01-07-2002, 08:43 PM	#13
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	agreed BV. my largest paysite has just passed 11,000 members. no trials. and it's growing like a motherfucka. but hey, i won't argue conventional wizdom ;)

01-07-2002, 10:14 PM	#14
Brian Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amherst, MA Posts: 450	11,000 members? Dayum. That be a whole lotta money in your pocket. Feel free to share your knowledge with me on icq, hehe. ------------------ Brian www.webmastercommerce.com

01-07-2002, 10:23 PM	#15
Beerdude12 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 42	Damn, I have a hard time getting 11,000 hits

01-07-2002, 10:36 PM	#16
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	I don't own a paysite, but if I did I wouldn't offer a trial. After reading this I like how BV is thinking...and I like Amp's idea.

01-07-2002, 10:40 PM	#17
Beerdude12 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 42	To take it a step further, has anyone ever found certain niche's that do or don't need trials? Does that make sense?