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SuckOnThis · 04-08-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

LOL, I don't want my kids coming into my bedroom when I am busy or sleeping man. It's not a matter of being paranoid about robbers. Although I am. I live in a very safe area, but it only takes one time getting robbed to go on the defensive. I live in a big house in a exclusive area. Robbers target homes like man. Better safe than sorry.

Now that makes a lot of sense. You lock your bedroom door because you don't want your kids bothering you and yet you are afraid of robbers. So you could care less about your kids if someone breaks in? An alarm system is a much better deterrant for break ins than guns.

gregtx · 04-08-2005, 01:24 PM

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

jukeboxfrank · 04-08-2005, 01:25 PM

Fuck gun laws. How about a test to make sure you are smart enought to have a child
or be left in charge of one.

SuckOnThis · 04-08-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gregtx

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

Dude, you post this stupid shit everytime there is a gun thread. Why is it you intentionally only put 'accidental gun deaths'?

In the U.S. for 1998, there were 30,708 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 17,424; Homicide 12,102; Accident 866; Undetermined 316. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. Firearms injuries remain the second leading cause of injury-related death in the U.S., particularly among youth.

The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity.

RayVega · 04-08-2005, 02:10 PM

ok, I have to chime in here. I'm not 100% against Fake Nick's thoughts, I understand the reaction, First...a pic:

Second, some comments, keeping in mind that I speak for myself:
1-The original purpose to bear arms in this country was so that we could fight against a suppressive government and/or protect ourselves in anarchy of a fallen government. Something an occupying body (like the English Monarchy) doesn't want the people they control to have. It was never about the concept of Freedom, it was about how we would protect it from a hostile force (including our own government).

2-I have had guns for years, my kids (7 and 3) have seen them, held them, know how they work, how to properly (at least my 7 YO) check that the chamber is empty (for example that just because the magazine is out does not mean there's not one in the chamber), how to handle them (always aware of what is down range), and seen and heard them fired. They have no (or little) curiosity because of this and can look at them supervised anytime they want. That's the education element, and it is curiosity that is the result of a child playing with a gun. that's why so many kids shoot themselves, they want the gun to shoot, but are not strong enough to pull the trigger so they hold the gun facing themselves, and use both thumbs...happens all the time. However, We must also understand that they cannot make adult decisions so my guns are always trigger locked and unloaded in an inaccessible place anyway.

3-I do not have a gun in case a "robber" comes into my house. If that happens, I'm on my own. Hopefully I can fight better than him, but most likely he'll run. My feeling is that you can't protect your children 100% and still have the gun 100% available. If there was a trespasser it would take me about 1-3 minutes to be ready to shoot...but I'm not counting on it. If I am going to use a gun...it's because I have decided to go out and use a gun. Whether for sport or self protection, that's my business...it's proactive use, not reactive (not with kids in the house anyway), not for me.

4-I agree with fake nick that stupid people should not be allowed to have guns. But I also understand that the sacrifice of safety and what happened to that child is a sacrifice we make as a nation in order to reserve the right to protect ourselves. If it were my child I would be devastated, I would not be able to live or even breath a breath. I cannot imagine the sorrow, but I would lay them to rest not blaming the laws, because the laws that allowed that asshole to have a gun, allow me to protect my family and my property as it does other Americans.

Our natural reaction is to want to do something to fix it, so that never happens again. You can't make a guy smart when he's stupid, so you figure you can stop the gun. But we all know that stopping the guns will not stop stupid people from doing stupid things.

5-I don't believe all this bullshit about how safe all us gun owners are. We are human, and make mistakes all the time. How many of us run a red light, or have gotten behind the wheel with a drink or two under our belt in our life. I'm not talking all the time, I'm talking that once or twice when you fucked up and took a chance. We have all done it, and should not bullshit about how perfectly safe we are. We just hope that if we ever do fuck up that educational element arms our kids with enough smarts not to touch or shoot. If not then just as one could get struck by lightning, a responsible gun owner could have an accident happen. It's that simple.
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psili · 04-08-2005, 02:24 PM

Just cuz I like saying this, I'll say it again:

People are to blame. Not inanimate objects.

Kevsh · 04-08-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

For fuck's sake, the uncle's to blame, not the gun.

If an adult leaves a dangerous cleaning product out and a child drinks it and dies, should we ban all fucking cleaning products?

Weak argument, and redundant. Next your going to say that we should ban water because kids can drown or eleictricity because kids can get shocked.

It's not the same argument and completely irrelevant.

Better gun laws mean idiots like this uncle don't have them ...

Mr. Pat · 04-08-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

Girl, 4, finds gun, shoots cousin in face

A 4-year-old girl shot her 2-year-old cousin in the face Monday morning after she found a gun at their uncle's house, police said.

Aurelio John Cereceres Jr. was in critical condition at St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center, Phoenix police Sgt. Lauri Williams said. The bullet lodged in the toddler's neck.

The shooting happened about 8 a.m. at the uncle's house, in the 2500 block of North 58th Lane. advertisement

The boy's father owns the .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol for protection because he has been threatened in the past, Williams said.

Normally he leaves it on top of the refrigerator, but on Monday he left it on top of a low entertainment center where the girl was able to reach up and grab it, Williams said.

"They're just naturally curious," she added.

The gun was unholstered and fully loaded.

The gun went off as the girl was playing with it. The girl played with the weapon at the end of a couch and accidentally shot her cousin, Williams said.

The homeowner was asleep at the time, and the boy's father was taking another child to school.

Detectives were interviewing witnesses and family members Monday.

A child psychologist was talking to the girl, who was traumatized, Williams said.

Detectives will send the case to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office, where prosecutors will decide whether to charge the boy's father with child neglect.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...kidshot05.html

yay , for more dumb people with loaded guns !keeping America SAFE

i'm sick of hearing about how guns are the problem. i own guns and they never killed anyone, it's the issue of the uncle's carelessness

goldman · 04-08-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Each bullet should cost $5000 Chris Rock For President!!!

the things with guns it it gives people false sense of protection..

OG LennyT · 04-08-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

For fuck's sake, the uncle's to blame, not the gun.

If an adult leaves a dangerous cleaning product out and a child drinks it and dies, should we ban all fucking cleaning products?

exactly right...

smack · 04-08-2005, 02:38 PM

what America Needs Is Responsible Parents Who Lock Up Their Firearms.

SuckOnThis · 04-08-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

Just cuz I like saying this, I'll say it again:

People are to blame. Not inanimate objects.

So you agree that every citizen should have access to nuclear weapons?

Choker · 04-08-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Now that makes a lot of sense. You lock your bedroom door because you don't want your kids bothering you and yet you are afraid of robbers. So you could care less about your kids if someone breaks in? An alarm system is a much better deterrant for break ins than guns.

LOL, actually I have 3 alarm systems. Two battery backed up in case the power fails. I have 9 motion sensors inside the house and another 8 outside. If you walk outside my house at night it triggers a light inside the house and a quiet alarm and turns on 11 spotlights outside. I also recently purchased a boxer and a Husky. One alarm calls my cell phone another calls the sherrifs office.

As far as the kids not bothering me, well I don't think it's a good idea for them to walk in on me while having sex, do you?

I also have a fire extenguisher behind every door in the house, I think like 15 total. At least 1 fire alarm with a spotlight system in every room, so you can see at night if a fire occurs, 2 carbon monoxide alarms even though the only thing I have is a fireplace.

My kids are trained very well in case of a fire or breakin. We even have drills. If they here a alarm but do not smell smoke, they are to lock their bedroom doors (each has a deadbolt with no key hole) get on the far side of their floor behind their bed. They are to use their cell phones and call 911. If a alarm and they smell smoke they are to close their doors and escape out their windows.

Yes I have been robbed and in a fire before. Once is all it takes for me to learn my lesson. Never again.

Yes I do have a compulsive disorder. When it comes to fires or being robbed, I go way over board. Hell I even shut off the hot water heater when I go on vacations. LOL

psili · 04-08-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

So you agree that every citizen should have access to nuclear weapons?

The only reason there are laws in place ( ANY LAW ), is because governing bodies understand that the general person is NOT responsible and quite often a primitive animal with two opposable thumbs and free will. I'm sure many here would know not to play with nuclear weapons if they were publicly available, however, nuclear weapons aren't publicly available because there are people who would play with them.

All the Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. here who glorify the laws they have regarding guns and anything else - they're only affirming that those who govern us believe that people in general can't act like intelligent and responsible human beings. And they're totally right about that.

bringer · 04-08-2005, 03:49 PM

please complain about guns more on gfy
if you make a thread like this atleast once a month all guns in the world will be outlawed!

psili · 04-08-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

please complain about guns more on gfy
if you make a thread like this atleast once a month all guns in the world will be outlawed!

I wonder if they had discussions like this back when the Crusades were happening and people were complaining about the existence of swords and religion.

bringer · 04-08-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

I wonder if they had discussions like this back when the Crusades were happening and people were complaining about the existence of swords and religion.

i really dont care. a gun is a tool which is used for more then killing your neighbor.

TheJimmy · 04-08-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gregtx

antifreeze looks and tastes like koolaide... yes a child would/could guzzle it down... that is why you never leave it down where a child could easily access it...

this story could easily have read.. child climbs on counter pulls knife and stabs cousin... the media just likes to ruffle feathers that it was a handgun... the uncle is an idiot for leaving it in such an accesible place.. its as bad as leaving kids in a running vehicle and walking off...

some people like you and I have critical thinking abilities, others just react to anti-gun propoganda like a few of the sheep in this thread...

idiocy kills, the method is the only thing that changes...

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Fake Nick · 04-08-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

Just cuz I like saying this, I'll say it again:

People are to blame. Not inanimate objects.

thing like this is bullshit fed to you buy the NRA ,

you didn't come up with this your self, you got hit with that message over and over again by the marketing people over at the NRA, let me explain to you in some words you can understand ,

I for one am not saying no one should be allowed to have guns ,all I am saying is that is shouldn't be so damn easy ,

a gun can kill,... people that dont know how to use a weapon and just aren't responsible with one should not be allowed to keep one , simple

there should be more requirements for a person to own a gun at his home ,

if you are a raving lunatic, BUT you never didn't anything wrong in your life , I dont want you to own a gun

if you are irresponsible , I dont want you to own a gun ,

the law should protect its citizens and some people just shouldnt be allowed to have guns, letting everyone no matter what have on is just plain idiotic

psili · 04-08-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

thing like this is bullshit fed to you buy the NRA ,

you didn't come up with this your self, you got hit with that message over and over again by the marketing people over at the NRA, let me explain to you in some words you can understand ,

I for one am not saying no one should be allowed to have guns ,all I am saying is that is shouldn't be so damn easy ,

a gun can kill,... people that dont know how to use a weapon and just aren't responsible with one should not be allowed to keep one , simple

there should be more requirements for a person to own a gun at his home ,

if you are a raving lunatic, BUT you never didn't anything wrong in your life , I dont want you to own a gun

if you are irresponsible , I dont want you to own a gun ,

the law should protect its citizens and some people just shouldnt be allowed to have guns, letting everyone no matter what have on is just plain idiotic

Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by psili

The only reason there are laws in place ( ANY LAW ), is because governing bodies understand that the general person is NOT responsible and quite often a primitive animal with two opposable thumbs and free will. I'm sure many here would know not to play with nuclear weapons if they were publicly available, however, nuclear weapons aren't publicly available because there are people who would play with them.

All the Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. here who glorify the laws they have regarding guns and anything else - they're only affirming that those who govern us believe that people in general can't act like intelligent and responsible human beings. And they're totally right about that.

JohnW · 04-08-2005, 04:23 PM

Awww...isn't that cute...

J.

bringer · 04-08-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

thing like this is bullshit fed to you buy the NRA ,

you didn't come up with this your self, you got hit with that message over and over again by the marketing people over at the NRA, let me explain to you in some words you can understand ,

I for one am not saying no one should be allowed to have guns ,all I am saying is that is shouldn't be so damn easy ,

a gun can kill,... people that dont know how to use a weapon and just aren't responsible with one should not be allowed to keep one , simple

there should be more requirements for a person to own a gun at his home ,

if you are a raving lunatic, BUT you never didn't anything wrong in your life , I dont want you to own a gun

if you are irresponsible , I dont want you to own a gun ,

the law should protect its citizens and some people just shouldnt be allowed to have guns, letting everyone no matter what have on is just plain idiotic

i agree guns should be harder to obtain(i had to take a 30 question test that was common sense). the problem with changing these regulations is once the government gets an inch, they take a mile.

ssp · 04-08-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnW

Awww...isn't that cute...

J.

Boom!

bringer · 04-08-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnW

Awww...isn't that cute...

J.

what a strong baby

SuckOnThis · 04-08-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

The only reason there are laws in place ( ANY LAW ), is because governing bodies understand that the general person is NOT responsible and quite often a primitive animal with two opposable thumbs and free will. I'm sure many here would know not to play with nuclear weapons if they were publicly available, however, nuclear weapons aren't publicly available because there are people who would play with them.

All the Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. here who glorify the laws they have regarding guns and anything else - they're only affirming that those who govern us believe that people in general can't act like intelligent and responsible human beings. And they're totally right about that.

Let me get this straight. You made the point that guns shouldnt be illegal because they are inanimate objects. So I ask you if nukes should be legal to anyone, because they are also inanimate objects. And you reply that 'the general person is NOT responsible and quite often a primitive animal with two opposable thumbs and free will' and 'nuclear weapons aren't publicly available because there are people who would play with them.' And guns are different how??? Thanks for proving my point.

CoolE · 04-08-2005, 04:31 PM

New NRA bumber sticker: "Guns don't kill people. Toddlers kill people."

psili · 04-08-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Let me get this straight. You made the point that guns shouldnt be illegal because they are inanimate objects. So I ask you if nukes should be legal to anyone and you reply that 'the general person is NOT responsible and quite often a primitive animal with two opposable thumbs and free will' and
'nuclear weapons aren't publicly available because there are people who would play with them.' And guns are different how??? Thanks for proving my point.

I never said guns should be illegal / legal.

I was trying to make a point that an inanimate object doesn't kill - people do. And laws are only in place because people make stupid decisions, not objects. To think an object can act / move / cause / etc. is, by definition, insane.

nico-t · 04-08-2005, 04:41 PM

all about the money, the gun laws will never change there, especially not in these times where a dollar bill has the value of a piece of used toilet paper.

CognitiveDissonance · 04-08-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

The UNCLE leaves a loaded gun in a house where he is supposed to be watching the child while her father takes another one to school but (and this is the kicker of the story) the FATHER is the one who faces child neglect charges

Only im America LOL

Regards,

Lee

According to the story, the gun belonged to the father, not the uncle:

The boy's father owns the .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol for protection because he has been threatened in the past, Williams said.

RayVega · 04-08-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

I wonder if they had discussions like this back when the Crusades were happening and people were complaining about the existence of swords and religion.

England actually did have a sword law. A common trade man could own a sword in his own home but not carry it, and a common laborer or peasant could not own a sword either...interesting how the laws carried over into guns. Similar laws exist today in some states, a "home" permit is different than a "carry" permit...

toddler · 04-08-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mango

come on, folks... if this ain't the right sign, then something is wrong. How many others need to face death before the authorities will start thinking ?

how about some personal responsibility vs trying to legislate it? People kill people. You do something stupid, you pay the price.

psili · 04-08-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

England actually did have a sword law. A common trade man could own a sword in his own home but not carry it, and a common laborer or peasant could not own a sword either...interesting how the laws carried over into guns. Similar laws exist today in some states, a "home" permit is different than a "carry" permit...

There are precious moments in GFY threads where someone posts what another didn't know.

Thank you.

CDSmith · 04-08-2005, 06:16 PM

Find a way to disarm criminals and the # of guns in private homes would drop considerably I'm sure.

How many times do you tards need to be told this? Place a nationwide ban on guns and all you do is disarm the law-abiding cross-section of society. The crooks don't give a SHIT about your fucking gun laws, and I'm sure most of them love the idea of having a disarmed public.

More education, stiffer penalties for infractions and harsher penalties for gun-totin criminals is the answers. In fact, in N. America it's the ONLY answer.

nico-t · 04-08-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Find a way to disarm criminals and the # of guns in private homes would drop considerably I'm sure.

How many times do you tards need to be told this? Place a nationwide ban on guns and all you do is disarm the law-abiding cross-section of society. The crooks don't give a SHIT about your fucking gun laws, and I'm sure most of them love the idea of having a disarmed public.

More education, stiffer penalties for infractions and harsher penalties for gun-totin criminals is the answers. In fact, in N. America it's the ONLY answer.

im not sure if the source is ok - bowling for columbine - but they said most gun kills happen in the suburbs instead of the "criminal hoods"

smack · 04-08-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Find a way to disarm criminals and the # of guns in private homes would drop considerably I'm sure.

How many times do you tards need to be told this? Place a nationwide ban on guns and all you do is disarm the law-abiding cross-section of society. The crooks don't give a SHIT about your fucking gun laws, and I'm sure most of them love the idea of having a disarmed public.

More education, stiffer penalties for infractions and harsher penalties for gun-totin criminals is the answers. In fact, in N. America it's the ONLY answer.

If guns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns.

Spunky · 04-08-2005, 06:53 PM

Agreed..the uncle should get some jail time for leaving a loaded gun lying around

Satisfaction · 04-08-2005, 07:15 PM

yeh its really pathetic i think.

04-08-2005, 01:24 PM	#52
gregtx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,929	US Gun Statistics Various Sources 2-2-5 (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services) Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that is 80 million. (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188. Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do." FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention. __________________ Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com

04-08-2005, 01:25 PM	#53
jukeboxfrank Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: www.jenniferworthington.com Posts: 1,207	Fuck gun laws. How about a test to make sure you are smart enought to have a child or be left in charge of one. __________________ ICQ= 231-182-592

04-08-2005, 02:10 PM	#55
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	ok, I have to chime in here. I'm not 100% against Fake Nick's thoughts, I understand the reaction, First...a pic: Second, some comments, keeping in mind that I speak for myself: 1-The original purpose to bear arms in this country was so that we could fight against a suppressive government and/or protect ourselves in anarchy of a fallen government. Something an occupying body (like the English Monarchy) doesn't want the people they control to have. It was never about the concept of Freedom, it was about how we would protect it from a hostile force (including our own government). 2-I have had guns for years, my kids (7 and 3) have seen them, held them, know how they work, how to properly (at least my 7 YO) check that the chamber is empty (for example that just because the magazine is out does not mean there's not one in the chamber), how to handle them (always aware of what is down range), and seen and heard them fired. They have no (or little) curiosity because of this and can look at them supervised anytime they want. That's the education element, and it is curiosity that is the result of a child playing with a gun. that's why so many kids shoot themselves, they want the gun to shoot, but are not strong enough to pull the trigger so they hold the gun facing themselves, and use both thumbs...happens all the time. However, We must also understand that they cannot make adult decisions so my guns are always trigger locked and unloaded in an inaccessible place anyway. 3-I do not have a gun in case a "robber" comes into my house. If that happens, I'm on my own. Hopefully I can fight better than him, but most likely he'll run. My feeling is that you can't protect your children 100% and still have the gun 100% available. If there was a trespasser it would take me about 1-3 minutes to be ready to shoot...but I'm not counting on it. If I am going to use a gun...it's because I have decided to go out and use a gun. Whether for sport or self protection, that's my business...it's proactive use, not reactive (not with kids in the house anyway), not for me. 4-I agree with fake nick that stupid people should not be allowed to have guns. But I also understand that the sacrifice of safety and what happened to that child is a sacrifice we make as a nation in order to reserve the right to protect ourselves. If it were my child I would be devastated, I would not be able to live or even breath a breath. I cannot imagine the sorrow, but I would lay them to rest not blaming the laws, because the laws that allowed that asshole to have a gun, allow me to protect my family and my property as it does other Americans. Our natural reaction is to want to do something to fix it, so that never happens again. You can't make a guy smart when he's stupid, so you figure you can stop the gun. But we all know that stopping the guns will not stop stupid people from doing stupid things. 5-I don't believe all this bullshit about how safe all us gun owners are. We are human, and make mistakes all the time. How many of us run a red light, or have gotten behind the wheel with a drink or two under our belt in our life. I'm not talking all the time, I'm talking that once or twice when you fucked up and took a chance. We have all done it, and should not bullshit about how perfectly safe we are. We just hope that if we ever do fuck up that educational element arms our kids with enough smarts not to touch or shoot. If not then just as one could get struck by lightning, a responsible gun owner could have an accident happen. It's that simple. . . . __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

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psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	Just cuz I like saying this, I'll say it again: People are to blame. Not inanimate objects. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

04-08-2005, 02:38 PM	#61
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	what America Needs Is Responsible Parents Who Lock Up Their Firearms. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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JohnW Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: under your bed Posts: 642	Awww...isn't that cute... J.

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	all about the money, the gun laws will never change there, especially not in these times where a dollar bill has the value of a piece of used toilet paper.

04-08-2005, 06:16 PM	#83
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Find a way to disarm criminals and the # of guns in private homes would drop considerably I'm sure. How many times do you tards need to be told this? Place a nationwide ban on guns and all you do is disarm the law-abiding cross-section of society. The crooks don't give a SHIT about your fucking gun laws, and I'm sure most of them love the idea of having a disarmed public. More education, stiffer penalties for infractions and harsher penalties for gun-totin criminals is the answers. In fact, in N. America it's the ONLY answer. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

04-08-2005, 06:53 PM	#86
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Agreed..the uncle should get some jail time for leaving a loaded gun lying around __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

04-08-2005, 07:15 PM	#87
Satisfaction WootWootCash.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 10,900	yeh its really pathetic i think.