:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thats 2 for 2 today.

You have got to be either on drugs or clueless.

Ratios are what you are converting at now. They do not mean that you will continue converting at the same for everwhere and if not then the sponsor is shaving.

Have you ever thought that your traffic might be shit that day or that they just dont want to join.

Dont assume that just by sendign to a paysite you will see a steady ratiol.

I have a sponsor that goes from 1:500 to 1:5000 on a monthly basis like clockwork. February was great, March was horrible, April will probably end up great again. And no, I'm not sending new traffic to these guys, it's all old stuff that I can't change.

I send traffic to 30-40 different sponsors. This is the ONLY one that I see fluctuations like that with. I have 2 other people telling me the exact same thing. Gee... I wonder what's going on.

time to do some reverse engineering on your traffic and find out whats hurting your ratios

That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.

:2 cents:

You know Diddly Squat about diversivication. (sp) That's why you've been flying those same $1700 stats in your sig for damn near two years because that was your BEST pay period ever conversionwise.

I CAN DO THAT :thumbsup

At one point I got really tired of all the shaving so I decided to whip up my own paysites, lease a member area and see if things would get any better. At that point I had approx 800K per day and guess what... suddenly I made a whole lot more money and my ratio was steady around 1:400.

make you own site to stop the shaves

World events can justify a change like that. BUt I dont think the pope kicking the bucket is a worls event like that.

You people who think all companies shave are crazy... that shit is about as dumb as believing that there are slow times of the year :1orglaugh maybe 1 or 2 companies shave but I doubt more then that.

unsucessfull people inherenty look for excuses why they are not making money. Maybe you traffic got shitty, and if you say its the same traffic you been getting then maybe you need to freshenup your pages. If you claim you changed your pages recently then maybe the design you are using now is not coverting and thats the reason. There are several reasons why your conversion ratio may have gotten worse. If you using an affiliates banner or content maybe that same chick has been saturated and it's time for you to use a new one.. so many reasons... and *blamming* the company is not going to fix the problem. It just makes you feel better and is an excuse you can feed yourself so you can sleep at night not feeling like a failure.

As far as the companies that do shave, if there are any... Don't you think they hit the people who send them the most signups the hardest ?? The last thing they would want to do would be to get caught so what makes more sense to take 5 signups a week away from a person who only gets 2 a day, or take 5 signups a day from someone who gets a 100 singups. Trust me, if companies shave they hit the bigger affiliates harder, who still make good money after the saving and who are less likely to notice it. It only seems logical. And if this is the case and you are a small fry bitching about shaving, then you still have no excuses not to be successfull, especially when there are people who make 10x you pushing the same program and who getting hit harder then you with shaving. If they can do it why cant you... maybe they are not making excuses... so it basically comes down to mind set if you want to be successful, if you make excuses then typically thats all you make, if you kick ass and work your butt off and stfu about bitching about shit you have no idea if it is even true or not, then you will make good money. how many people do you know that make a lot of money that are always complaining about something ?

50 Shavers :pimp

The other point to post is that " small guys" dont get enough traffic to really judge a ratio day by day... sometimes people signup sometiems they don't if you are basing you ratios off of 500 or 1000 hits a day you are insaine. You should be going off of your ratio from month to month to see how it is comparing. The more volume you do the shorter period of time you can use to compare your ratio to get a fair average.

flip a coin 6 times each day, most days you will get 3 heads 3 tails but some days it maybe 5 heads - 6 heads - 4 heads... does that mean anything about your stats.. no.. well only thing it means is that you shouldn;t be calculating it on a daily average.. you should be adding them up for the whole month... need more volume for a fair average.

WTF are you talking about?
I could post new stats with the same pictures.

Before calling me out like that for not posting pictures of my stats, start posting pictures of your ugly face. I never disrespected you. I run my sites like I want.

I never attacked you for fucking all those filthy crackwhores and making profit off druggies.

Most sites have a "shelf life" and conversion ratios go down as time goes on. This is especially true of sites with large programs which get heavily promoted, and promoted by more and more webmasters, TGPs, etc. It's a classic case of diminishing marginal returns. As time goes on, there's a greater and greater chance that any individual surfer you send to the site's tour has already seen it and either bought or declined already. Once a surfer has aseen a site and NOT bought, the chances of them buying on a second, third, 15th...... time thru (even looking at a different tour page) becomes less and less. In addition, the site soing the referring may very well be geting the same visitors over and over again (face it, if it's a decent site, it will get return visitors). Remember, when we talk about "uniques", it's not uniques since the start of the world. If you get the same people visiting your site every day (not the exact same....duh) but you keep sending them to the same sites to join, isn't it natural that the one's which were going to join did already, and the one's which didn't aren't going to? It's aone of the reasons why you HAVE TO change whre you're sending your traffic, even if you're getting good results (and yes, I understand that good programs are always adding new sites, but never as fast as surfers go thru them).

how true you are on this one

Truth.

Most of them will sign up to a program that converts 1:400 and pays 60% and ignore a program that converts 1:150 and pays 40%

Let's just get one thing right, you are not generating the fuckin signups.

You are sending traffic, usually using the free content, galleries and hosting given to you by the sponsor, to the paysite that generates the sign ups. This is done by having good content, good hosting good design, good programming, good customer sevice.

All these things cost money and at 60% less the 5-15% the processor takes it's hardly worth having your extra business. Of course the sponsor could cut back on the content, or the hosting or the design to pay you. Then the ratios would drop and you would earn less money.

I'm very lucky that I'm based in Czech where I can employ some one for $500 to $600 a month. But the one guy we have submitting 4 days a week is generating over 35 sales a week and he has other jobs to do.

35 x 15 = 525 x 4 weeks - $2100 That is what I would pay an affiliate who did the same job.

Beware the whole sunmitting business does not wake up to this fact. Then their dependency on people like you will be over. I'm reckoning on just the $15 a sign, add to it the adverts to entice you, the shows to attend, stands, affiliate support and everything else and you will see it's time to work and keep your head low.

Most affiliates do little more than submit to free sites. Something that can be done by most people after a weeks training.

Not true with all programs..."little guys " are who make a big difference for us...a lot of little guys makes 1 big one...so we appreciate and welcome everyone!

Only the honest and the good programs will be here for the long run...people who "shave" are the scums of the earth and wont be around in the future....

Just remember these words..the good and honest will be here in 2006, 2007 , and 2010 of this industry.....i have been in this industry since 1989 and online since 1995 and AdultLounge.com was launched in 2003 and will be here in 2010...or more and so will some other good people who run programs...how can people expect to have a prosperous long term relationship with their affiliate " PARTNERS" by screwing them...it evetually will come out and smell...

If a sponsor is shaving he's going to be doing it in a way that an affiliate will never know or realise, or he's an idiot and will not be around for long.

Any programmer worth his salt can write a cript that will drop 1:100 to 99:100 of the coded links to the join page. This can be set very easiliy and the sponsor can just raise the drop out day by day.

They can even do it to only certain affiliates, say everyone with over 5 joins a day.

o if you ratio goes from 1:150 to 1:1500 in a day -week there is a problem. Maybe the sponsor is going broke and can't pay, maybe he's got a problem with his program - let's face it these things happen, or maybe you have a problem with your traffic - did it suddenly rise? We get listed on Worldsex and AL4a, sign ups have gone way up, ratios way down.

There is only one way to calculate this job.

Hours worked x money spent x money earned.

What if I, as a sponsor, gave you content that got you lised more often and on better freesites. isn't that worth something out of your % or would you rather be with a guy giving you rubbish content and 10% more?

do a test sign-up

Shaving is overrated, its not happening like people think. If people shave hard then there affilates lose money and there affialtes get bad ratio's and move onto another sponsor program instead. We can pay $25-30 on $1 trials all day long with Wildcash.com and spend US$10,000 a month on free hosting for affilates and still make good profits. Its a numbers game and the smart who can work it out can do just fine and no shaving is not nessesary.

I dissagree .. at least it is not the case with me... 99% of the time I use my own page(s) and link to the signup page. which is a simple form, I sell them on what the site has to offer not the site.

You guys are too negative...
 

negative people make no money... or least the vast majority of them don't...

none of you can prove anyone shaves... so why be negative and dwell on it.

like previous poster said " Hours worked x money spent x money earned."

need to be positive:
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=453004

I ain't showing another grown man my face for SHIT....And you got it right...I make a "PROFIT" off of druggies, therefore, I have no reason to complain about other sponsors shaving because I run my OWN SHIT.

I'm not the one who started this thread so like toodamnfli said, post PROOF or STFU.

Aren't "houses the size of mansions" actually mansions? If not, what is the difference? Just wondering

:1orglaugh I can relate,

Good catch

Okay, I am lost. You are convinced that they are shaving you every other month, yet you stay with them. Are the non-shave months that good that you can't send your traffic to a sponsor that doesn't fluctuate?

keep saying that to yourself.... :Oh crap

If they didn't shave, they would end up looking like this guy:
http://perkol.itgo.com/beard.jpg
:2 cents:

if ill have affi program one day.. ill offer 80% ..

More like, idiots that think most/all sponsors shave should keep saying that to themselves, they obviously need excuses why they are not making more money...



Well fortunetly i have more then just my mere words to make me believe what I am saying.. which part do you disagree with?

So fucking owned :1orglaugh :1orglaugh