XBang Cash no more trials

So what's their current payout?

I think I am going to QQ



March 15-30:

Big Dick School 8,077 5,811 3,286 $30.00 5,811 : 1


March 1-15:

Big Dick School 6,674 4,830 2,563 $270.00 536 : 1

Yeah it's a sad day, started strong then who knows what happened.

Um....What in the fuck is the new "low price" that you'll be offering? And how much will you be paying on them? It's a big difference paying 30 on a 2.95 trial and paying 30 on a 34.95 no trial option monthly price....I go to pimpherandride and I can't see what the new price will be. Also, I go to xbangcash.com and I see no explanation on what the payouts will be.

So in essence, WHAT IN THE LIVING FUCK did this email really mean? I'm still confused.

well? where are they?

sounds very unprofessional to me

Fuck ...

Some public statement about this would be appreciatted tho..

yes, that really sux... this program is pretty weird , ratios are very weird sometimes it rox and sometimes it's like 1:6000 ! same sites, same traffic... even with very good exposure...

Thank-you for supporting XBangCash and being part of our winning team. sure they win a lot this time... when you see so much difference on the ratios.. it's not a good thing.

send my traffic elsewhere, any suggestions ;-)

Good Grief.

The charges for the joins remain the same, everything remains the same minus the trials. We are re vamping the members area to load the surfer up with the specific niche content and all our other exclusive content.

Why not? We are a content company, and we can do this.

What explanations do you want?

Nothing remains the same if trials have been dropped. Time to remove some links.

i don't think we ask for explanations.
we all check our stats and see that without trial your program is not as attractive as before.
but you are right, you can do whatever you want. it's your program, but it's our traffic and our income. i have your sites on some paid spots and it's not ok with me to waste traffic on site without trial. i'm sure you can understand that.
i think that when a company drop the trial it's just because retention are not good enough. i also believe that the russian mountains of the ratios the last 2 mounths that every webmaster saw on this program is really suspect.
so, everything change.
good luck. i like your program. too bad things are changing like that.

Apr 05, 2005
PPS Program Discontinued
Efective at 5:PM PT, Xbangcash will discontinue the PPS program and will be strictly 60% revenue share with NO trials. (more)

Yeah, nothing has changed, right :|

Can anyone beat my 1:5800 ratio?

damn you would think they would at least pay per signup on the monthly memberships

wow, they are dropping pps and trials! I thought they have all exclusive content?

WHAT?!?!?!

Translation: All our content is (was) DRM protected, surfers don't like that and trials are not converting well enough for us to pay $30 per sign up, even though we don't pay out on 1-900 or checks already to offset that.

My ratios falling from 1:400 to 1:2000 look more and more suspect given this new information.

Lee has been professional and very very helpfull along the way and I would gladly work with her in the future.

i would think that if a surfer really like a site it wouldn't matter if it is drm protected or not

You'd think that, yet Reality Cash ripped it out, XBang is ripping it out and there's others too. Let's face it, surfers are spoiled and stupid. They want a lot of free porn, and they want to keep it on their hard drive. Run in to a site with DRM? No problem, cancel trial and join the next site, it probably WON'T have DRM. See the problem?

Ok was wondering why last time i checked the members area for realitycash they didn't have drm on their clips since jupiter hosting offers it.

DRM is bullshit. Even with old style pay per view television, the viewer could always tape the movie with a VCR. Once people stop thinking like a surfer and start thinking "corporate", that's when shit gets fucked up.

why not offer a trial/notrial option? this is very succesful with most of the sponsors I promote that have it

I still think drm is a good thing, went to a friends house the other day and he was downloading the Raven Riley fuck vid using a p2p client. He said he would have bought a membership just to see that vid if he didn't find it for free

DRM holds the value of the content.
Thats the bottom line.
I dunno if comming out PPS was the correct choice for them but the content says alot, its good stuff.

If people blow through content to fast while having access thats a different problem.
I dunno how much content Xbang has in there sites but one can imagine how pirated the content would be without it which in effect wuld ruin the value over the long term.

I can predict retention would be better with an all access deal for custmers though.

I'm of the mind that most people that heavily use P2P probably don't buy a lot of memberships to pay sites at all. Comapnies like Nasty Dollars and Reality Cash thrive without DRM. Reality Cash started with DRM and ripped it out fairly quickly and that in my mind speaks volumes of the profitability of DRM.

WarChild - Honestly I would have to know more facts.

I been an advocate for DRM cuz it seems to make people money and it seems to make them money for the right reasons. However I totally see the point in p2P being an awesme medium to gain a buz and close sales with protected content inside.

In all honesty I just do not know.
What I do know is that people will pay to see what they want. How long they stick around after seeing it is the question that just might signify a fault in DRM.

BVF has pointed this out a couple times as well and he is a sharp cookie.

I always thought that, too. After a few conversations this weekend, I'm led to believe that there's quite a bit of money in P2P afterall.

To be totally honest, I don't know either. I don't have any hard numbers, it's just my thoughts on the matter. If I were to join a paysite, and I couldn't save the content, I wouldn't continue my membership.

I think there may be more value in DRM for highly niched/specialized content which seems to follow a slightly different business model.

I know Lensman knows his stuff, his program is my top sponsor month after month. I'm sure he wouldn't make a snap decission (ripping out DRM) without looking at hard numbers that he would have access to. I think it's reasonably safe to infer that the program is more profitable without DRM.

I'd be interested to hear if any sponsors have gone from not having DRM to having DRM and stuck with it. I can't think of any off the top of my head.

no more trials and cutting off PPS ??? Hmmm ...

I don't agree DRM is bullshit... but we spent, albeit because we didn't have a choice, years letting surfers get used to no-restriction downloads. If you want to launch something which has no plus side from the surfers' point of view and is obviously going to create the perception of less value, surely you should anticipate and figure a way to avoid a negative reaction.

thing is if you are going to drm your content at least offer dvd quality video of your content not some low bitrate wmv files

Lee crawls into this thread with a pounding headache *sigh*.

You know I love you guys and you are dear to my heart, I think my decade of being amongst webmasters has proven just that.

I was operating off information that was misunderstood by myself, I fully accept that responsiblity.

Yes, we ripped out the DRM.

Yes, we changed our business model, we tried PPS and it was not a good fit right now. We are new, we are 4 months old, and we have every intention of being around many years.

I am so sorry our change affected so many adversely, that was not our intention.

But, we are not to proud to admit we needed to regroup and we all know several companies that have gone down that same path just to emerge stronger than ever...

Yes, we have called a time out of sorts, and made adjustments which were executed immediately. There is no denying this, and I am am being open and honest because I respect each and every one of you.

You speak of "suspect" decline in sales and rough conversions, and I was open and honest to every one that contacted me. We hit problems when we dropped in the cascade billing. But we also, made sure even if the traffic ratio's were crazy looking we recovered the sales. We had times where our primary processor was declining heavy and it went to our secondary which scrubbed harder.....and really what can we do about that?

But "suspect", come on folks, now your stepping on my pride personally.

I wish I could publish our Top 10 webmasters stats, not everyone had drastic flip-flop sales trends. I still do not understand how and why that happens

XBangCash is no newbie to adult, and have been very successful in adult for many years. There is no way, this company who has such a strong reputation amongst a slew of studio's and Fortune 500's ripped off webmasters...that is just insane, and hurtful actually.

Some of you already pulled your links now that we are revshare, your voice has been heard, is it really necessary to spew hateful comments.

This company has content that really sets them apart, and if I had to find a silver lining, I am excited about the content offering to the surfers, only a strong company could be this generous and offer many sites content for one price. Why? They got the content!

I really believe this offering will retain the member, and our program may not attract the PPS webmaster type but we should get a strong nod from the revshare webmasters. We have alot more options as a content company and we will tweak things out until we get to where we want to be.

I stand behind XBangCash when I joined in Dec, and I stand behind them now as their affiliate manager.

I hope to earn back your business even tho many are hardcore PPS only.

Personally, I think the revshare folks are gonna come out way on top with the new business model.

Everything takes time but I predict over the coming months, you will hear and read the XBangCash name in threads, and it will be all props :-))

Lee, hit me up on ICQ.
I want to go thru the situation with you, maybe some input will help.

I like XBC, I like your content.

Lee is top notch, this turn is not meant to be permanent, I'm sure about that.

XBC is meant to stay, everyone goes thru ups and downs, nothing wrong with that - as long as you keep it honest and fix what needs fixing.

Thanx Lee for being honest to your affiliates and fellow webmasters, props!

Got that mail too. That sucks, since I was selling alot of trial !

work on your fhg's they are terrible

Lee, that's one of the best replies I've seen in years. On any board. You took some hits in this thread, but honestly, I think you turned it around right there.

Best of luck sorting out the cascading billing, and with the continued development of the program. If the rest of the company operates with the professional attitude you displayed, you guys will be fine.