Giving our traffic to newbies ???!!!??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Rod · 12-26-2001, 10:02 AM

Why does everyone help newbies in this biz? I know I had to be helped to began, but if everybody would stop, we would keep the traffic for ourselves?

A lot of TGP questions, for example, are popping on every board...maybe its time to stop answering them?

Then they will see money is not THAT easy to make, and they might stop trying to work in porn?

What do you guys think?

pr0 · 12-26-2001, 10:04 AM

newbies are fun to fuck with : )

Gary · 12-26-2001, 10:05 AM

Please help me. I need to feed my goats.

AaronM · 12-26-2001, 10:05 AM

I think you are greedy. Either that or you are struggling to make ends meet and are afraid of the competition. I bet somebody gave you a hand along the way. Perhaps it is time to give a little back?

Wiredoctor · 12-26-2001, 10:08 AM

Rod I have thought of this many times myself. I do believe I agree with you..It's like giving away all the knowledge we have worked hard at for years. I don't mind helping out a newbie, but not just handing it all over to every newbie that thinks they can make a quick buck...

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pr0 · 12-26-2001, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Gary:
Please help me. I need to feed my goats.

Gary....please private icq me, im looking for something in a Petite goat, preferrably farm raised.

Rod · 12-26-2001, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
I think you are greedy. Either that or you are struggling to make ends meet and are afraid of the competition. I bet somebody gave you a hand along the way. Perhaps it is time to give a little back?

Yea....someone helped me before, you are right. But if everyone is helping someone, because they got helped, this chain will never stop...

I am not afraid of competition. I just see no points of making them for fun...

Gary: I can feed your goats if they like my personal food

Wizzo · 12-26-2001, 10:10 AM

It's all Karma, many newbies that I have helped over the years, now help me because they aren't newbies anymore...

AaronM · 12-26-2001, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Wiredoctor:
Rod I have thought of this many times myself. I do believe I agree with you..It's like giving away all the knowledge we have worked hard at for years. I don't mind helping out a newbie, but not just handing it all over to every newbie that thinks they can make a quick buck...

There is nothing wrong with answering their questions. When they start asking you to build galleries for them, then you can complain.

Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 10:17 AM

The majority of the questions that people ask is information that is widely available anyway, so if ya know somethin' or can help in some way or at least point in the right direction.... why not? I always help if I can.... it balances out my assholism... no point in trying to keep something secret that ISN'T a secret anyway.... and the way I see it, people tend to remember who helped them when they needed it and who didn't.

Kat - Fast · 12-26-2001, 10:18 AM

At what stage do you stop being a newbie then? Time in the biz? Hits per day? Revenue earned? Help if you can - don't if you don't want to.
I like to think of it as a karma thing too

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AaronM · 12-26-2001, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
it balances out my assholism...

No it doesn't.

Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Kat:
At what stage do you stop being a newbie then? Time in the biz? Hits per day? Revenue earned?

I like to think that newbie status ends when they figure out what the fuck they are doing. Not everything of course... I still learn something every day... but I'm talking about focus and direction and goals, and maybe a little strategy.

When they have figured out what is working for them and what is not, and have at least some sort of grip on what they're gonna do, and can add, subtract, change, modify, tweak, or whatever from there.... then they're no longer a newbie.

Spacedog is a good example. He's still all over the place. Doesn't really know what the hell he wants to do, so he's asking questions about everything under the sun. Which, in all truth, is fine... (even though we ride him pretty hard for it) but it is painfully obvious that he still hasn't found his groove in the biz yet... hence: Newbie. When he finally comes to the place where "this & that are working" and "this other shit ain't..." and starts to take the things that ARE working and make them better.... then....

That's not to say that we don't all try new stuff.... cuz we do. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But we've already got a pretty good grasp of the way things work. Same as any other industry really... there's rookies in any profession.

Success is not necessarily the indicator, but rather, experience. (or the lack thereof)

TheFLY · 12-26-2001, 10:34 AM

Choose who you help... I barely have time to do biz w/ the people that I already know -- let alone the newbies... I've decided to cut back on my newbie time ;) I'm looking to more scripts to handle most of the tedium...

I was sending tons of traffic to a newbie -- Miguel at sexy-photos.net -- he was me #1 referrer -- but I had to delete him... My experience told me that he was using a bot (or one of his referrers was -- I'm suspecting http://www.xxxvogue.net/ for several reasons) there's no way in hell sexy-photos.net -- his site that just started out just a short time ago is sending out 5000/day to a site like freeones.com... He told me he hardly has much SE traffic and I know he doesn't have many bookmarkers -- Miguel lacks the experience of knowing what sort of traffic behavior is "unusual" -- anyway I'm a little pissed... I confronted him about his traffic -- but he hasn't defended himself...

Besides the people that have been around a little longer have more search engine and word-of-mouth traffic...

Another thing that's cool is webmasters that I traded traffic with 3 years ago have offfered me salaried jobs ;)

pornjacker · 12-26-2001, 10:35 AM

Because newbies need sponsors
some newbies will become successful
we are far more likely to get sponsors
from people who help us than some tight
ass who thinks he owns the internet.

Just who is this "our" who
thinks they own "my" traffic

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Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
No it doesn't.

You're right.... had to try though.

Dopy · 12-26-2001, 10:53 AM

I messaged a new guy here back in March simply because he sounded like someone with lots of common sense and did not find the need to express himself with rap lyrics.
This person is now making an average of $350 per week and I am sure by mid next year this will be 1000. Its not hard to spot those worth working with from those who have little else to do between collecting state support checks or shifts at Berger King.

12clicks · 12-26-2001, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Dopy:
I messaged a new guy here back in March simply because he sounded like someone with lots of common sense and did not find the need to express himself with rap lyrics.
This person is now making an average of $350 per week and I am sure by mid next year this will be 1000. Its not hard to spot those worth working with from those who have little else to do between collecting state support checks or shifts at Berger King.

I've helped newbies from time to time. Not many but the few I've helped have become very succesfull.

pr0 · 12-26-2001, 11:21 AM

Gary, please icq me about the goat.

Ambergirl · 12-26-2001, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Wizzo:
It's all Karma, many newbies that I have helped over the years, now help me because they aren't newbies anymore...

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
The majority of the questions that people ask is information that is widely available anyway, so if ya know somethin' or can help in some way or at least point in the right direction.... why not? I always help if I can.... it balances out my assholism... no point in trying to keep something secret that ISN'T a secret anyway.... and the way I see it, people tend to remember who helped them when they needed it and who didn't.

Wizzo and Amp...RIGHT ON!

I was a newbie back in the day when 'newbie' wasn't even a term...and the people that helped me out as well as the people that I helped out are the big boys today.

I attribute my online success to customer service...and that means taking care of everyone that crosses my path fairly and ethically. The one newbie that you help today, could be the one person that helps you get above the rest tomorrow...

It's very important to never forget where you came from and how you got there.

What comes around goes around, period.

"It's all circular" - Happy Gilmore

Anyway, that's my two pennies for the moment.

Theo · 12-26-2001, 11:41 AM

the 1st guy that helped on this industry is Dave van doorm from Netherlands. I read an interview he gave in adult webmastering resource site and i "dared" to mail him with some questions i had. Within few seconds he had added me on his icq. That night we had a longggggg discussion and Dave replied to all my newbie questions i couldn't find an answer alone. Back then i thought some of his replies were false according to my judgement, but now I can say he was 100% right on everything. Through time Dave replied to my questions without ever benefiting from me at all. He rarely uses icq and it's been long time since i last saw him. I hope he's doing well.

Having Dave as a stantard of webmaster in my mind I have helped and keep helping new webmasters as I can. I give them top listings on the movie posts i run, Reply to their questions, even perform tasks for them in some cases. All these new webmasters have something in common with me. First they do a research, try alone and then jump asking and seeking for help. Thanks god the web is full of resources and it's not hard to find answer in most of your questions. You might have notice that I barely ask things. I don't know everything, that's for sure. I have questions like the rest, but seeking alone for a while 99% of the time I find the answer. I got sick the attitude: ok i'm in the industry, i know i can make money, show me the way and fuck off.

shunga · 12-26-2001, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Rod:
Why does everyone help newbies in this biz?

If you're concerned that newbies become competitors, then you should extend that to not helping others at all. The money available in this business is it's obvious attraction, but the fact that we *do* help each other - even direct competitors - is what makes this business as enjoyable as it is. We help each other to grow.

Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 12:12 PM

There's nothing wrong with helping competitors. If you are secure in your abilities, it can only be a positive thing. I talk almost daily with some of my competitors. We help each other. Maybe not specifically regarding the coveted details of our respective businesses, but certainly with tools, tips, or raw knowledge. And it is very true that what comes around goes around.

I've gone out of my way, put projects on the back burner, and spent entire days helping someone with a script or a detailed critique, or system problems, or whatever... and we joke... and we generally have a very good relationship going.

Just because you're competing for the same business doesn't mean you gotta be a close-minded ass.

And when I need help, or need a resource, or an opinion... it's usually my competitors that I turn to first. Because I know I can count on them. This also builds a mutual respect. (The people I'm talking about will know who they are immediately upon reading this.)

While I have no problem burning some flakey fuck like TennisAss who flys in with his bullshit practices and tries to undermine everything we (myself & my competitors) have accomplished and the connections & progress we have made with people over time and much effort, I also would NEVER even consider trying to sneak into my RESPECTED competitors client lists with intention of undercutting their prices for the sake of stealing a customer. Because the minute that happens, you may have stolen a client for a job or two, but you've lost a trusted resource, colleague, and friend, most likely, for good. And it only goes downhill from there.

In this biz, word of mouth can be your greatest marketing tool or your instant death. Your competitors are usually the largest influential factor in determining which way it will go for you. Because they know your biz. And they know first hand if you're running the ship clean or trying to fuck everyone in your path.

We've all seen how fast cheaters get spotted around here. Doesn't matter which field... I've seen the TGP guys crucify cheaters in seconds, where I probably would not have noticed it. I've seen the hosting guys nail cheaters right and left, where I may have never discovered it... not my field. And you've all seen us graphics guys come together publicly when some fuck thinks he can reinvent the way things work and make a quick buck by fucking the rest of us over.

Each field of the biz, for the most part, seems to take care of it's own pretty well. They stick together. And that's how it should be. The guys that think they can make a million without anyone's help are the one's who are usually gettin' ass reamed on GFY a week later for cheating, in one form or another.

Moral of the story: No man is an island.

pr0 · 12-26-2001, 12:15 PM

word up brutha......wise words

TheFLY · 12-26-2001, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Ambergirl:
I was a newbie back in the day when 'newbie' wasn't even a term...

if you were "elite" you could call them lamers...

hehe

pr0 · 12-26-2001, 12:17 PM

or pupz

421Fill · 12-26-2001, 12:18 PM

How can you bitch about helping 'newbies' when you start out with "...I know I had to be helped..." ? In any business or indusrty there will always be someone at the beginning stages, someone at the intermediate stage, etc., and they all started at the beginners stage. I know for a fact that I would not have progressed as far as I have, as quickly as I have, had it not been for 3 webmasters in particular, and fuck I feel like giving them props, so...

Frank, http://www.assbookmark.com , spent hours with me on icq in the very beginning and really helped me to figure out how to decide where I was going to go with my webmastering, not where to go, just how to figure it out. Invaluable help, I think.

Llamar, http://www.cumshotplanet.com , for some reason, a few months ago, decided to help me out traffic wise and gave my newest tgp at the time, the ability to get some really good and strong trades going. That site went from 300-500 unq per day to 4k-6k per day directly due to him sending me traffic wayyyyyy in excess of what I could send back. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but to me, the fact that he offered his help in the first place makes him a stand up guy, in my book.

and finally...

Toker, http://www.wildteen.net , in the most recent months, has sort of taken me as an apprentice of sorts, and man things are really starting to make real sense nowadays.

Toker helped me to fine tune things, and at the same time how to really expand oneself. Plus, and this is the most important, he has made me believe that not everyone is an asshole and there really are people on the other sides of those sites.

Peace, and thanks to all.

)

Oh, and don't let me forget all the posters here and elsewhere, who most of the time don't even know it, but they help immensely. Someone pointed this out to me a while ago, that if you directly answer one post and help, there will be alot of lurkers who benefit as well. So, help someone in a post can helps many others as well, and that's pretty cool.

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Rod · 12-26-2001, 12:20 PM

I never said I owned the web. In fact, I only run movieposts now. But, I cannot understand why everyone is helping newbies like that...Hell, from the e-mails I got from my movieposts, the 9/10 of them tells me: List my site in your galleries list and shut your mouth.

They also cannot understand what is the difference between a galleries of movies and a site with trades...and never read my damn rules before posting their sites with consoles as a galelry, or changing their galleries to a site of console hell after they got listed...

I do not care to help someone that learned a bit by himself, but someone that knows anything and that tries to make your sites their sites, NO.

Does anyone understand my point here?

Ambergirl · 12-26-2001, 12:25 PM

LOL TheFly...but it's not about being 'elite', just simply that we are all working our arses off daily...new and experienced webmasters alike. Helping newbies is about good people doing good business.

Well said, Amp!

12clicks · 12-26-2001, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

Moral of the story: No man is an island.

Let me tell you another story with a different moral...........

Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Rod:
Hell, from the e-mails I got from my movieposts, the 9/10 of them tells me: List my site in your galleries list and shut your mouth.

These are the people that you tell to go take a flying fucking leap. They don't know how to get help the right way, and do not deserve anything more than a smart ass remark. There's a difference.

There was a thread about who everyone respected in this biz a while back, and the answers were interesting to say the least.

My take on it is, I respect people with honesty, integrity, ambition, and a demonstrated willingness to work towards their goals. If someone shows me this, they have earned some respect. Respect should not be based on hit counts or dollar signs posted on a bbs or some big fucking name just because it's been around for a couple of years. Hitbots can generate alot of hits too... do you give respect to a hitbot then?

It may involve using a little common sense and some judgement, but it should not be too difficult to see who is worthy of respect and development of a good working relationship and who is not worth the time of day. It makes no difference if someone has only been at it for two weeks... if they have respectable qualities and potential, it will show.

It's not about numbers people.... it's about people.

Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks:
Let me tell you another story with a different moral...........

Does this story involve farm animals?

12clicks · 12-26-2001, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

Does this story involve farm animals?

No, but it does have a androgenous flair to it.

^R3K^ · 12-26-2001, 01:14 PM

whats a tgp?

FATPad · 12-26-2001, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Rod:
Why does everyone help newbies in this biz? I know I had to be helped to began, but if everybody would stop, we would keep the traffic for ourselves?

hehe. That part there made me laugh.

Houdini · 12-26-2001, 01:36 PM

Amp , Wizzo, Amber and everyone sticking up for newbies I think that's cool of you. Although I'm not a newbie in building sites, I am new building adult sites so I guess you can call me a newbie.

Speaking only for myself, not every newbie here is in it for the easy buck. Some actually want some longevity and those determined enough will succeed.

Just because you get 100k a day doesn't mean you'll be there forever, even newbies know that much. Innovation comes from the unexpected. Change happens when you least suspect it. There's always some kid that comes out of nowhere and blows everything away and he'll remember everyone who helped him get there.

If only dinosaurs had helped someone along the way instead of trying to fuck with everyone maybe they would be here today.

Rod · 12-26-2001, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad:
hehe. That part there made me laugh.

Maybe I am too greedy?

tekart · 12-26-2001, 04:42 PM

I?d like to say something real quick regarding this topic?

While some of you may think or fear that any and all new competition in this biz could take away everything from hits, sign-up?s, click through, etc, etc. from YOUR existing business, consider the fact that for every newbie that joins this biz, there is that possibility that one of these ?newbies? will find or develop a better approach to getting and or keeping customers?which can only HELP the rest of us! I mean just ?maybe? there is an idea that has either been overlooked or just never thought of yet by the adult community that anyone of these newbies might know how to exploit!

The end result could only be a positive one! (Of course the rest of us would have to wait until we figured out what this new approach or trick of the trade would be in order to duplicate their success!)

Think about it?has the porn industry as a ?whole? really found or discovered ALL the ways of making money from the surfer? I have no idea, we may think so but there might always be that one approach that will make more money then all those before it?but if we stifle the competition, we?ll never know about it!

Plus, at some point in our life we?ve ALL asked for assistance in one form or another, so why pick on those that are doing in now????

Well?that?s my two fricking cents! J

Later,

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TheFLY · 12-26-2001, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Houdini:
If only dinosaurs had helped someone along the way instead of trying to fuck with everyone maybe they would be here today.

Hahah! That's classic.

I'm still picturing 12Clicks as an island ;) hehe... Actually I think it's a good strategy... Really there are only so many people you can network with 1 on 1... I could go off in several directions from this point but I'll save my breath ;)

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 12-26-2001, 04:59 PM

Ah yes ... I remember being a newbie myself ... making ASCII nudie pics on my ZX81

No ... seriously though ...One individual gave me a good start in the business ... A girl from "Ernieshow Ltd" named Brianna Thomas ... and WHAT A FUCKING HOTTIE TOO !!

I lost contact with her quite some time ago ... does anybody know what happened to her ??

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Amputate Your Head · 12-26-2001, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-:
... does anybody know what happened to her ??

She, ummm... can't talk right now...

BV · 12-26-2001, 05:17 PM

From a paysite owner's perspective I feel that the more webmasters out there the better. Even though they are going for the same piece of the traffic pie! Reason why: it is much much better to have 100 webmasters sending you 1000 hits a day than 1 webmaster sending you 100,000. Everyone agree with that? But from a traffic pimp's perspective I can see your point of not wanting to help, and I can understand peoples reasons for wanting to help. Let's just all be thankfull we can choose if and who we want to help. :-)

BigPimpin!
BV

znewbie · 12-26-2001, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Wiredoctor:
Rod I have thought of this many times myself. I do believe I agree with you..It's like giving away all the knowledge we have worked hard at for years. I don't mind helping out a newbie, but not just handing it all over to every newbie that thinks they can make a quick buck...

It is no doubt that your answer will make those new guys run quick on the way if they r not fucking stupid. They will keep trying with your help and waiting for check. hehe.

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jimmyf · 12-26-2001, 07:04 PM

Rod, are you an ex-salesman or did you have or have now your own business other than porn (if not you sure do remind me of one)?

If so I can see were you are coming from as I was in the Scale business for over 30 years,

Saw the same thing your saying in that trade
with most of the people being big time paranoid and so fucking secret.

Me I knew what I knew, and that was I knew my shit (still do). I would tell or help anyone at any time, never worried me one bit and I still do help people (I enjoy it, makes me feel soooo good).

And am sure from what these people are saying they know there shit and are not worried one bit about any Newbie's.
AaronM
Amputate
pornjacker
Wizzo
Ambergirl
shunga
Soul_Rebel

Jim

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Snake Doctor · 12-26-2001, 07:39 PM

Every newbie you help learn to do it the right way is one less idiot building 100 pic galleries on terra.es.

However, the ones who walk in with a chip on their shoulder and act like you owe them a listing or traffic or whatever, deserve the beating they get.

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TheApostate · 12-26-2001, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Rod:
Why does everyone help newbies in this biz? I know I had to be helped to began, but if everybody would stop, we would keep the traffic for ourselves?

A lot of TGP questions, for example, are popping on every board...maybe its time to stop answering them?

Then they will see money is not THAT easy to make, and they might stop trying to work in porn?

What do you guys think?

Hey I got an idea!!
Why don't you go fuck yourself?

If you're afraid of newbies taking all your money maybe you better get your ass in gear and make better sites than the newbies.
Whether y'all help me or not I'm not going anywhere. Maybe if you do help me I will promote your sites, Or sign up for affiliate programs with your code, and we both make money.
I'm going to go back and read the rest of this thread, all I read was this assholes stupid ass post. I seriously hope you all don't think like this guy, because then I will know for sure that you can all go fuck yourselves.
--Okay I went back and read, most of you guys are cool

I would appreciate some help btw.

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Rictor · 12-26-2001, 08:06 PM

What's a TGP?

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Chris R · 12-26-2001, 08:08 PM

There are different types of newbies:

1) The person who doesn't understand what such and such is, but is obviously willing to learn.

2) People that want to make money, but really don't have the understanding it takes. These people think you can slap together a site and put it on the Internet and make money. Reminds me of Homer Simpson before he was "bought out" by bill gates.

3) People that are cheating and scamming from day one.

Why people bother to help number 3 I will never know. Number 2s are fine, but after a while they should get the idea this just isn't for them. Some help is fine, but people have to be willing to learn for themselves. I have noticed on the SEO Boards people whining up a storm about SE "Spam". 99% of the time - these people have poor crappy listings and are not making money. They like to BLAME their lack of income on other people.

I think porn is similar. I have only been selling porn for less than a year, but I think the following is true:

1) People whining and complaining about TGPs giving away too much free stuff are not making money. If you truly believe that is the problem - then why even bother.

2) People whining and complaining about people giving away the best sponsors and secrets are not making money.

3) People whining and complaining about so and so shaving are not making money. If you have enough hits to be able to make a good judgement about how many signups you are getting - DROP THE SPONSOR!!!!!!

There is plenty of money to go around - my guess is that probably less than 10% of people that sign up for an affiliate program ever sell a membership. That is just a guess.

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Rictor · 12-30-2001, 01:20 AM

Chris R:

No shit. If every one I referred to the partnership programs I'm in sold as many memberships as me...I could live of my commissions. It just doesn't happen.

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railz · 12-30-2001, 01:41 AM

Intersting post guys.

I think I will always consider myself a newbie. There's always something to learn. I started three months ago and the amount of information I have absorbed in that time makes my college work (all those years ago) look like a breeze.

I was lucky enough to get talking to KittyKat69 and a few other very helpful people right off the bat, and I will always thank them for their help. I am not exactly in a position to help others in the finer aspects of the business, but if someone comes my way who needs a script installing or something that I know I can do, I am always willing to help out.

I've yet to make any significant money doing this, but I'm here for the long term haul. When I started my cybercafe in the 90's, we budgeted on not even breaking even for 18 months, and I have a simillar attitude in this business. I am constantly learning, reading, absorbing and looking over posts and articles to see what nuggest of info I can find.

To all that have helped me, you have my thanks and friendship for life. To those that will help me in the future, I look forward to meeting you and to those who need help, my ICQ is (more or less) always on.

Happy new year everyone! See you in Vegas next week!

12-26-2001, 10:02 AM	#1
Rod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MTL, QC, CAN Posts: 1,243	Giving our traffic to newbies ???!!!??? Why does everyone help newbies in this biz? I know I had to be helped to began, but if everybody would stop, we would keep the traffic for ourselves? A lot of TGP questions, for example, are popping on every board...maybe its time to stop answering them? Then they will see money is not THAT easy to make, and they might stop trying to work in porn? What do you guys think?

12-26-2001, 10:04 AM	#2
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	newbies are fun to fuck with : )

12-26-2001, 10:05 AM	#3
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Please help me. I need to feed my goats.

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	I think you are greedy. Either that or you are struggling to make ends meet and are afraid of the competition. I bet somebody gave you a hand along the way. Perhaps it is time to give a little back?

12-26-2001, 10:08 AM	#5
Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	Rod I have thought of this many times myself. I do believe I agree with you..It's like giving away all the knowledge we have worked hard at for years. I don't mind helping out a newbie, but not just handing it all over to every newbie that thinks they can make a quick buck... ------------------ It's All About Clicks

12-26-2001, 10:10 AM	#8
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	It's all Karma, many newbies that I have helped over the years, now help me because they aren't newbies anymore...

12-26-2001, 10:17 AM	#10
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	The majority of the questions that people ask is information that is widely available anyway, so if ya know somethin' or can help in some way or at least point in the right direction.... why not? I always help if I can.... it balances out my assholism... no point in trying to keep something secret that ISN'T a secret anyway.... and the way I see it, people tend to remember who helped them when they needed it and who didn't.

12-26-2001, 10:18 AM	#11
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	At what stage do you stop being a newbie then? Time in the biz? Hits per day? Revenue earned? Help if you can - don't if you don't want to. I like to think of it as a karma thing too ------------------ Baldness be Gone!

12-26-2001, 10:34 AM	#14
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Choose who you help... I barely have time to do biz w/ the people that I already know -- let alone the newbies... I've decided to cut back on my newbie time ;) I'm looking to more scripts to handle most of the tedium... I was sending tons of traffic to a newbie -- Miguel at sexy-photos.net -- he was me #1 referrer -- but I had to delete him... My experience told me that he was using a bot (or one of his referrers was -- I'm suspecting http://www.xxxvogue.net/ for several reasons) there's no way in hell sexy-photos.net -- his site that just started out just a short time ago is sending out 5000/day to a site like freeones.com... He told me he hardly has much SE traffic and I know he doesn't have many bookmarkers -- Miguel lacks the experience of knowing what sort of traffic behavior is "unusual" -- anyway I'm a little pissed... I confronted him about his traffic -- but he hasn't defended himself... Besides the people that have been around a little longer have more search engine and word-of-mouth traffic... Another thing that's cool is webmasters that I traded traffic with 3 years ago have offfered me salaried jobs ;)

12-26-2001, 10:35 AM	#15
pornjacker Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 140	Because newbies need sponsors some newbies will become successful we are far more likely to get sponsors from people who help us than some tight ass who thinks he owns the internet. Just who is this "our" who thinks they own "my" traffic ------------------ All your hits belong to me.

12-26-2001, 10:53 AM	#17
Dopy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Puerto Del Carmen, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,572	I messaged a new guy here back in March simply because he sounded like someone with lots of common sense and did not find the need to express himself with rap lyrics. This person is now making an average of $350 per week and I am sure by mid next year this will be 1000. Its not hard to spot those worth working with from those who have little else to do between collecting state support checks or shifts at Berger King.

12-26-2001, 11:21 AM	#19
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Gary, please icq me about the goat.

12-26-2001, 11:41 AM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	the 1st guy that helped on this industry is Dave van doorm from Netherlands. I read an interview he gave in adult webmastering resource site and i "dared" to mail him with some questions i had. Within few seconds he had added me on his icq. That night we had a longggggg discussion and Dave replied to all my newbie questions i couldn't find an answer alone. Back then i thought some of his replies were false according to my judgement, but now I can say he was 100% right on everything. Through time Dave replied to my questions without ever benefiting from me at all. He rarely uses icq and it's been long time since i last saw him. I hope he's doing well. Having Dave as a stantard of webmaster in my mind I have helped and keep helping new webmasters as I can. I give them top listings on the movie posts i run, Reply to their questions, even perform tasks for them in some cases. All these new webmasters have something in common with me. First they do a research, try alone and then jump asking and seeking for help. Thanks god the web is full of resources and it's not hard to find answer in most of your questions. You might have notice that I barely ask things. I don't know everything, that's for sure. I have questions like the rest, but seeking alone for a while 99% of the time I find the answer. I got sick the attitude: ok i'm in the industry, i know i can make money, show me the way and fuck off.

12-26-2001, 12:12 PM	#23
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	There's nothing wrong with helping competitors. If you are secure in your abilities, it can only be a positive thing. I talk almost daily with some of my competitors. We help each other. Maybe not specifically regarding the coveted details of our respective businesses, but certainly with tools, tips, or raw knowledge. And it is very true that what comes around goes around. I've gone out of my way, put projects on the back burner, and spent entire days helping someone with a script or a detailed critique, or system problems, or whatever... and we joke... and we generally have a very good relationship going. Just because you're competing for the same business doesn't mean you gotta be a close-minded ass. And when I need help, or need a resource, or an opinion... it's usually my competitors that I turn to first. Because I know I can count on them. This also builds a mutual respect. (The people I'm talking about will know who they are immediately upon reading this.) While I have no problem burning some flakey fuck like TennisAss who flys in with his bullshit practices and tries to undermine everything we (myself & my competitors) have accomplished and the connections & progress we have made with people over time and much effort, I also would NEVER even consider trying to sneak into my RESPECTED competitors client lists with intention of undercutting their prices for the sake of stealing a customer. Because the minute that happens, you may have stolen a client for a job or two, but you've lost a trusted resource, colleague, and friend, most likely, for good. And it only goes downhill from there. In this biz, word of mouth can be your greatest marketing tool or your instant death. Your competitors are usually the largest influential factor in determining which way it will go for you. Because they know your biz. And they know first hand if you're running the ship clean or trying to fuck everyone in your path. We've all seen how fast cheaters get spotted around here. Doesn't matter which field... I've seen the TGP guys crucify cheaters in seconds, where I probably would not have noticed it. I've seen the hosting guys nail cheaters right and left, where I may have never discovered it... not my field. And you've all seen us graphics guys come together publicly when some fuck thinks he can reinvent the way things work and make a quick buck by fucking the rest of us over. Each field of the biz, for the most part, seems to take care of it's own pretty well. They stick together. And that's how it should be. The guys that think they can make a million without anyone's help are the one's who are usually gettin' ass reamed on GFY a week later for cheating, in one form or another. Moral of the story: No man is an island.

12-26-2001, 12:15 PM	#24
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	word up brutha......wise words

12-26-2001, 12:17 PM	#26
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	or pupz

12-26-2001, 12:18 PM	#27
421Fill Super Mario Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Swenson's Avatar Posts: 19,414	How can you bitch about helping 'newbies' when you start out with "...I know I had to be helped..." ? In any business or indusrty there will always be someone at the beginning stages, someone at the intermediate stage, etc., and they all started at the beginners stage. I know for a fact that I would not have progressed as far as I have, as quickly as I have, had it not been for 3 webmasters in particular, and fuck I feel like giving them props, so... Frank, http://www.assbookmark.com , spent hours with me on icq in the very beginning and really helped me to figure out how to decide where I was going to go with my webmastering, not where to go, just how to figure it out. Invaluable help, I think. Llamar, http://www.cumshotplanet.com , for some reason, a few months ago, decided to help me out traffic wise and gave my newest tgp at the time, the ability to get some really good and strong trades going. That site went from 300-500 unq per day to 4k-6k per day directly due to him sending me traffic wayyyyyy in excess of what I could send back. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but to me, the fact that he offered his help in the first place makes him a stand up guy, in my book. and finally... Toker, http://www.wildteen.net , in the most recent months, has sort of taken me as an apprentice of sorts, and man things are really starting to make real sense nowadays. Toker helped me to fine tune things, and at the same time how to really expand oneself. Plus, and this is the most important, he has made me believe that not everyone is an asshole and there really are people on the other sides of those sites. Peace, and thanks to all. ) Oh, and don't let me forget all the posters here and elsewhere, who most of the time don't even know it, but they help immensely. Someone pointed this out to me a while ago, that if you directly answer one post and help, there will be alot of lurkers who benefit as well. So, help someone in a post can helps many others as well, and that's pretty cool. ------------------ Last Chance Inn & Saloon Liquor In The Front Poker In The Rear!!

12-26-2001, 12:20 PM	#28
Rod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MTL, QC, CAN Posts: 1,243	I never said I owned the web. In fact, I only run movieposts now. But, I cannot understand why everyone is helping newbies like that...Hell, from the e-mails I got from my movieposts, the 9/10 of them tells me: List my site in your galleries list and shut your mouth. They also cannot understand what is the difference between a galleries of movies and a site with trades...and never read my damn rules before posting their sites with consoles as a galelry, or changing their galleries to a site of console hell after they got listed... I do not care to help someone that learned a bit by himself, but someone that knows anything and that tries to make your sites their sites, NO. Does anyone understand my point here?

12-26-2001, 12:25 PM	#29
Ambergirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: East Coast Baby Posts: 1,269	LOL TheFly...but it's not about being 'elite', just simply that we are all working our arses off daily...new and experienced webmasters alike. Helping newbies is about good people doing good business. Well said, Amp!

12-26-2001, 01:14 PM	#34
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	whats a tgp?

12-26-2001, 01:36 PM	#36
Houdini Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,651	Amp , Wizzo, Amber and everyone sticking up for newbies I think that's cool of you. Although I'm not a newbie in building sites, I am new building adult sites so I guess you can call me a newbie. Speaking only for myself, not every newbie here is in it for the easy buck. Some actually want some longevity and those determined enough will succeed. Just because you get 100k a day doesn't mean you'll be there forever, even newbies know that much. Innovation comes from the unexpected. Change happens when you least suspect it. There's always some kid that comes out of nowhere and blows everything away and he'll remember everyone who helped him get there. If only dinosaurs had helped someone along the way instead of trying to fuck with everyone maybe they would be here today.

12-26-2001, 04:42 PM	#38
tekart Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: somwhere in time... Posts: 368	I?d like to say something real quick regarding this topic? While some of you may think or fear that any and all new competition in this biz could take away everything from hits, sign-up?s, click through, etc, etc. from YOUR existing business, consider the fact that for every newbie that joins this biz, there is that possibility that one of these ?newbies? will find or develop a better approach to getting and or keeping customers?which can only HELP the rest of us! I mean just ?maybe? there is an idea that has either been overlooked or just never thought of yet by the adult community that anyone of these newbies might know how to exploit! The end result could only be a positive one! (Of course the rest of us would have to wait until we figured out what this new approach or trick of the trade would be in order to duplicate their success!) Think about it?has the porn industry as a ?whole? really found or discovered ALL the ways of making money from the surfer? I have no idea, we may think so but there might always be that one approach that will make more money then all those before it?but if we stifle the competition, we?ll never know about it! Plus, at some point in our life we?ve ALL asked for assistance in one form or another, so why pick on those that are doing in now???? Well?that?s my two fricking cents! J Later, ------------------ I hit the escape key but I'm stil here!

12-26-2001, 04:59 PM	#40
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	Ah yes ... I remember being a newbie myself ... making ASCII nudie pics on my ZX81 No ... seriously though ...One individual gave me a good start in the business ... A girl from "Ernieshow Ltd" named Brianna Thomas ... and WHAT A FUCKING HOTTIE TOO !! I lost contact with her quite some time ago ... does anybody know what happened to her ?? ------------------ The Black Sheep of the Boneprone Family I like to rub HERTURN on my nipples

12-26-2001, 05:17 PM	#42
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	From a paysite owner's perspective I feel that the more webmasters out there the better. Even though they are going for the same piece of the traffic pie! Reason why: it is much much better to have 100 webmasters sending you 1000 hits a day than 1 webmaster sending you 100,000. Everyone agree with that? But from a traffic pimp's perspective I can see your point of not wanting to help, and I can understand peoples reasons for wanting to help. Let's just all be thankfull we can choose if and who we want to help. :-) BigPimpin! BV

12-26-2001, 07:04 PM	#44
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Rod, are you an ex-salesman or did you have or have now your own business other than porn (if not you sure do remind me of one)? If so I can see were you are coming from as I was in the Scale business for over 30 years, Saw the same thing your saying in that trade with most of the people being big time paranoid and so fucking secret. Me I knew what I knew, and that was I knew my shit (still do). I would tell or help anyone at any time, never worried me one bit and I still do help people (I enjoy it, makes me feel soooo good). And am sure from what these people are saying they know there shit and are not worried one bit about any Newbie's. AaronM Amputate pornjacker Wizzo Ambergirl shunga Soul_Rebel Jim [This message has been edited by jimmyf (edited 12-26-2001).]

12-26-2001, 07:39 PM	#45
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Every newbie you help learn to do it the right way is one less idiot building 100 pic galleries on terra.es. However, the ones who walk in with a chip on their shoulder and act like you owe them a listing or traffic or whatever, deserve the beating they get. ------------------ Did somebody say Free Content?

12-26-2001, 08:06 PM	#47
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	What's a TGP? ------------------ Pigporn Webmasters Page -Resources for gallery makers and TGP owners.

12-26-2001, 08:08 PM	#48
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	There are different types of newbies: 1) The person who doesn't understand what such and such is, but is obviously willing to learn. 2) People that want to make money, but really don't have the understanding it takes. These people think you can slap together a site and put it on the Internet and make money. Reminds me of Homer Simpson before he was "bought out" by bill gates. 3) People that are cheating and scamming from day one. Why people bother to help number 3 I will never know. Number 2s are fine, but after a while they should get the idea this just isn't for them. Some help is fine, but people have to be willing to learn for themselves. I have noticed on the SEO Boards people whining up a storm about SE "Spam". 99% of the time - these people have poor crappy listings and are not making money. They like to BLAME their lack of income on other people. I think porn is similar. I have only been selling porn for less than a year, but I think the following is true: 1) People whining and complaining about TGPs giving away too much free stuff are not making money. If you truly believe that is the problem - then why even bother. 2) People whining and complaining about people giving away the best sponsors and secrets are not making money. 3) People whining and complaining about so and so shaving are not making money. If you have enough hits to be able to make a good judgement about how many signups you are getting - DROP THE SPONSOR!!!!!! There is plenty of money to go around - my guess is that probably less than 10% of people that sign up for an affiliate program ever sell a membership. That is just a guess. ------------------ TopBucks.com - Converting at better than 1:130 David Lace Content - Highest Quality Teen Content ConversionCash.com - Make Money off your WebTV Traffic

12-30-2001, 01:20 AM	#49
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Chris R: No shit. If every one I referred to the partnership programs I'm in sold as many memberships as me...I could live of my commissions. It just doesn't happen. ------------------ Pigporn Webmasters Page -Resources for gallery makers and TGP owners.

12-30-2001, 01:41 AM	#50
railz Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,531	Intersting post guys. I think I will always consider myself a newbie. There's always something to learn. I started three months ago and the amount of information I have absorbed in that time makes my college work (all those years ago) look like a breeze. I was lucky enough to get talking to KittyKat69 and a few other very helpful people right off the bat, and I will always thank them for their help. I am not exactly in a position to help others in the finer aspects of the business, but if someone comes my way who needs a script installing or something that I know I can do, I am always willing to help out. I've yet to make any significant money doing this, but I'm here for the long term haul. When I started my cybercafe in the 90's, we budgeted on not even breaking even for 18 months, and I have a simillar attitude in this business. I am constantly learning, reading, absorbing and looking over posts and articles to see what nuggest of info I can find. To all that have helped me, you have my thanks and friendship for life. To those that will help me in the future, I look forward to meeting you and to those who need help, my ICQ is (more or less) always on. Happy new year everyone! See you in Vegas next week!