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CDSmith 03-31-2005 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
whats insane is how you people keep comparing her condition to someone on a respirator, or a machine to keep thier heart beating. She wasn't dying she was killed. Not only that but she was sentenced to death by a court of law and she wasn't convicted of any crimes. Why didn't they starve Jeffrey Daumer? Why don't they starve anyone of these idiots taking little girls molesting them and killing them? The simple fact is that starving someone to death is cruel and unusual punishment. And there is no way you can state other wise. Even the doctors who said she was brain dead said there is no for sure way for them to know if she could feel anyting or not.

Except for the fact that the court confirmed that dying was in accordance with her wishes.

Her wishes.

Get it?

Why do all you idiots refuse to understand that she wanted to be allowed to die if in that situation? This is why all of you, and I do mean ALL of you, need to have a will drawn up ASAP, and put your own wishes in writing inside a legal document. This is so that if you end up a vegetable your wishes will be respected, and a bunch of over-opinionated shit heads have no opporunities to second-guess those wishes.

clear enough or do you need it in braile?

Sosa 03-31-2005 05:07 PM

who the fuck cares

galleryseek 03-31-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
Well if all those right to die people are right and she wasn't feeling any pain and probably didn't even know what was going on. Then why did she have to die? What pain was she in? What was so cruel about keeping her alive if she had no idea she was alive in the first place? To me the right to die people really have no argument. Just a bunch of I wouldn't want that to happen to me.

the fact that she married a man and took an oath to love, trust, and honor him for (probably an eternity) stated that she told him she wouldn't want to live like that (+ 3 other people witnessed to this as well), then it should end there and she should be allowed to die.

its not up to us to determine whether or not hes lying. he was the closest person to her much of her adult life, not us, not her parents. the function of the parents is to raise their children till they're adults (18).. you can't let the parents decide this case because their love is so great for her that they don't use logic, they can't let go, it is parental nature. keeping her alive is not only against her best interest as a human, but also against her own personal will according to 4 different witnesses including her husband.

it ends there, and what happened is what should have happened.

menace 03-31-2005 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
Except for the fact that the court confirmed that dying was in accordance with her wishes.

Her wishes.

Get it?

Why do all you idiots refuse to understand that she wanted to be allowed to die if in that situation? This is why all of you, and I do mean ALL of you, need to have a will drawn up ASAP, and put your own wishes in writing inside a legal document. This is so that if you end up a vegetable your wishes will be respected, and a bunch of over-opinionated shit heads have no opporunities to second-guess those wishes.

clear enough or do you need it in braile?

Yea one of the few cases where hear say has been accepted in a court of law.

galleryseek 03-31-2005 05:12 PM

"She wasn't living, she was merely existing."

GatorB 03-31-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
Your taxes wheren't paying for shit. plus your a punk didn't you call me a pussy in the other post chump ? talk about an ADULT conversation. I'll still be in vegas punk.

Eventually they would have. Her husband didn't want her alive so should HE have to pay for her care? No. Are her parents MILLIONAIRES? Um no. She might have lived 40 more years they would have been dead by then. WHO would be paying for her care? Um the TAXPAYER. LEARN before speaking.

menace 03-31-2005 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek
"She wasn't living, she was merely existing."

she wasn't dying until they stopped feeding her.

menace 03-31-2005 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB
Eventually they would have. Her husband didn't want her alive so should HE have to pay for her care? No. Are her parents MILLIONAIRES? Um no. She might have lived 40 more years they would have been dead by then. WHO would be paying for her care? Um the TAXPAYER. LEARN before speaking.

You better know what the fuck your talking about before you start talking to me next time. They had numerous offers to take care of Terry for the rest of her life. You and me wouldn't have had to pay shit. Your taxes didn't pay any of the 20k it cost to file any of the 25 apeals they filed. Where do you think that money came from? I just hope you still think i'm a pussy. I will still be in vegas.

Kingfish 03-31-2005 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
Your taxes wheren't paying for shit. plus your a punk didn't you call me a pussy in the other post chump ? talk about an ADULT conversation. I'll still be in vegas punk.

She was on Medicaid so everyone?s taxes were paying for her expenses. If I were the husband, I wouldn?t have let the parents in at the same time as me either. For 13 years he tried to honor his wife?s wishes but the parents stood in the way because they couldn?t accept the reality of their daughter?s situation. After they exhausted their court remedies the parents sought special treatment of their case by slandering and defaming the husband. After calling him the most despicable things a person could be called publicly for years, is he is just supposed to turn the other cheek? As nutty as these religious wackos are I wouldn?t be surprised if the husband is dead in a few months anyway as I am sure one of these nut jobs will try and administer ?god?s? justice upon him. I was on the road today and Laura Ingram was on she and the nut cakes on her program were talking like this lady is the second coming of Jesus.

xclusive 03-31-2005 05:18 PM

Well didn't her father talk his mother off life support? Also if Michael is so bad and being selfish wouldn't he have taken the million dollars to be done with her and give the rights over to the parents?

GatorB 03-31-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
she wasn't dying until they stopped feeding her.

Um is she a baby which needs omeon too feed it?
No she's an ADULT. If you are an ADULT and can't feed yourself, tough shit. So the NATURAL thing that happens when GROWN people don't eat is to DIE. hristians that go against god confuse me. If God wanted her alive he certainly has the power to do that. He didn't Hmmmm so either god is fake, doesn't care either way, or wanted her dead. Choose.

galleryseek 03-31-2005 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
she wasn't dying until they stopped feeding her.

you dont understand, she was without most of a brain... technically her body was living. but "living" in the sense of having a life, she was not - and that is what it should be about.

humans have an extraordinary imagination and desire to make advancements on every level of society. we sent a man to the moon, we've accomplished many great things, but many of the things we've accomplished go against nature: such as artificially extending the life of a person without a brain.

let nature take its course and grant her her wish.

benc 03-31-2005 05:22 PM

So should all retards be killed. Surely nobody would want to be retarded. And a retarded person would die if someone didn't take care of them. This is the question nobody wants to touch.

GatorB 03-31-2005 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by benc
So should all retards be killed. Surely nobody would want to be retarded. And a retarded person would die if someone didn't take care of them. This is the question nobody wants to touch.

If I give a reatrd a banana he knows what t do with it.

Once again if I as in ME choose not to want to live that way, should YOU decide to keep me alive because you don't believe in that. Now ANSWER that question.

CDSmith 03-31-2005 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
Yea one of the few cases where hear say has been accepted in a court of law.

It is not hearsay when several people corroborate something. It becomes a fact.

Apparently three people other than the husband confirmed hearing her wish to die. People can speculate all they want about that, but that's the way it went down. I'm sure the judge and/or jury weighed all checks and balances and considered the credibility of each witness before rendering a decision. Aren't you? Or do you think the husband bought off the entire justice system?

menace 03-31-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive
Well didn't her father talk his mother off life support? Also if Michael is so bad and being selfish wouldn't he have taken the million dollars to be done with her and give the rights over to the parents?

Once again we all gotta eat. So there for are we all on life support because we use a fork? Or what about any one of the disabled children alive today only because they eat through a feeding tube? Those millions of dollars could've been used to take care of her for the rest of her life.

benc 03-31-2005 05:29 PM

Thats perfectly fine if you have a living will. Heresay that was accepted by an activist judge 7 years after the fact, is not strong enough for me.

People are acting like that was such a clear cut mandate. That judge Greer is an activist judge, and the Florida Supreme court is 100% Democrat justices.

ChrisExtreme 03-31-2005 05:30 PM

Someone is going to hurt him, I guarantee it.

CDSmith 03-31-2005 05:35 PM

Put it this way..... by the testimony of people she knew, she wanted to die in this situation.
She was allowed that death.
She is now dead.

The above pretty much settles the issue really. All those still blabbering on about how she should have been forced to live etc. are talking loudly into a now empty void.

It's over. Done. Finito. Deal with it.

Making stupid, lameass, dumbass, dipshit remarks about harming the husband or how he should be harmed is.... well, about as fucking ignorant and retarded as it gets. Whatever, have at it.

menace 03-31-2005 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB
If I give a reatrd a banana he knows what t do with it.

Once again if I as in ME choose not to want to live that way, should YOU decide to keep me alive because you don't believe in that. Now ANSWER that question.

Not all retards would know what to do with a bannana. And yes if you decided that and wrote it down then you should have the right to die in that case. But you shouldn't be starved to death either. And if there was only some group of people that said they heard you say at a funeral one time "I wouldn't want to live that way". While other people at that funeral, in the same group, say they didn't hear that. You should live till you die.

That is going to be my last post on this subject because it's just making me want to club GatorB over the head with something for judging me without knowing me. And i don't think i'm going to make any money doing that :D It's cool GatorB your hard I'm just a pussy what do I know:D

menace 03-31-2005 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
Put it this way..... by the testimony of people she knew, she wanted to die in this situation.
She was allowed that death.
She is now dead.

The above pretty much settles the issue really. All those still blabbering on about how she should have been forced to live etc. are talking loudly into a now empty void.

It's over. Done. Finito. Deal with it.

Making stupid, lameass, dumbass, dipshit remarks about harming the husband or how he should be harmed is.... well, about as fucking ignorant and retarded as it gets. Whatever, have at it.

aside from all the stupid stuff he said about "being forced to live etc."

He's right. it's pretty over now.

Furious_Male 03-31-2005 05:51 PM

The only confusing part about this to me was the inability of the husband to go forward with any sort of rehab through the years.

CDSmith 03-31-2005 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
aside from all the stupid stuff he said about "being forced to live etc."

If her wish was to die, what else would you call keeping her alive?

When exactly do you people plan on ending your rather empty argument? With posts like this calling for a hanging I can honestly say that if it were me instead of Mr. Schiavo in this situation, I would keep a loaded handgun in the house, and shoot the first one of you fuckers who came around with your bullshit.

Mr.Fiction 03-31-2005 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by benc
Thats perfectly fine if you have a living will. Heresay that was accepted by an activist judge 7 years after the fact, is not strong enough for me.

People are acting like that was such a clear cut mandate. That judge Greer is an activist judge, and the Florida Supreme court is 100% Democrat justices.

Turn off Fox!

The "activists" in this case were on the right, not the left.

One of the most right wing federal judges in the United States supported the judges in this case and called Republicans wrong:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/...331News009.asp

Do you think the Supreme Court was wrong to be activist in Bush vs. Gore? :1orglaugh

xclusive 03-31-2005 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by menace
Once again we all gotta eat. So there for are we all on life support because we use a fork? Or what about any one of the disabled children alive today only because they eat through a feeding tube? Those millions of dollars could've been used to take care of her for the rest of her life.

She wanted to die and I believe that he had her best wishes in mind. I think it is a loving thing for him to fight for what she wanted.

kowntafit 03-31-2005 06:21 PM

well killing him wouldn't bring back terry

JFPdude 03-31-2005 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kowntafit
well killing him wouldn't bring back terry

Bringing back terri wouldn't bring back terri. I just had this discussion with my wife. People hear certain facts and then base an opinion.

If you listen to all the facts the picture is much different. He exhausted all efforts of getting her help. When the doctors pretty much told him in 1996 all hope was lost thats when he started the fight to have her wishes taken care of.

The thing is both sides have their issues. The law was not clear with both sides from the beginning. If the family was told up front the husband has the right to make the decisions then this wouldn't have drug on like it did.

Instead greedy doctors and lawyers jumped in promising the family the world and building their hopes up. What parent would not fight to the very end for their child? I know I would.

And so long as these doctors and lawyers kept building up false hopes in her parents thats where it turned for the worse. Micheal had accepted his wife wasn't going to be anything but a vegtable her parents held on to the hopes of doctors and lawyers that made lots of money keeping her alive.

I keep hearing starved to death. Yes her feeding tube was pulled but she hadn't eaten anything in years. No water passed her lips to drink in years. My wife was confused on this also till she just seen a few more interviews and realized that this woman hasn't had real food since the whole thing began.

The parents played on the sympathy of the world by bringing the media into it. Like I say I don't fault them. Anybody would rightfully fight for their own child. But this was all thrown out of purportion by doctors and lawyers that was feeding the family false hope.

The mother claimed she was responding. Well when desperate times happen we all look for a response in a loved one. And we also assume every move is a response because we want to think that our loved one did respond to us.

The truth in this whole case was drug through the mud. It's a shame but it brought much awareness to this issue. How many people have living wills today that didn't have them last month?

She should be remembered as someone who woke the world up to whats legal in these situations. Myself I always assumed the parents would have more rights than the spouse. I for one learned thats not true.

To me she died peacefully the way she wanted to. Thats the way I see the evidence. I could be wrong. I wasn't there to hear everything. And anybody else with an opinion can think what they want because unless they were there thats all they have to is an opinion.


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