Okay back to the topic :-) I don't think xxxvogue is a cheater. The reason is that I made some galleries and submitted them to xxxvogue. I received really good traffic on those. Also is xxxvogue trading with some big sites. And you need to send xxxvogue an email for a trade, most cheaters signup at yours...

Andre

so we have 2 people claiming they own the site now?
Im confused!

Pete,
I've traded with xxxvogue.net for 1.5 years with good productivity.

A chick runs it. She's always answered my mails when I oversend. and even mailed me once when there site went down.

I think there site is all manual unless it's changed.

Times are rough, maybe she's gone to the dark side... although I doubt it.

SixNine

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What's the difference if someone sends me an email or uses a submit form? You are full of shit.

Maybe we will do some proxy tests on the traffic of these sites and then see who is pissing in their pants...

[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 12-27-2001).]

I don't know the owner of xxxvogue personally. I submit one daily gallery and always get 5-7k. So I'm sure there is enough traffic on their site. And I don't think there is any sense in hitbotting my gallery http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I am trading with XXX-Vogue for about 3 months now and never got any problems with it. It always sent me some nice traffic and never caught it cheating.
What justsexxx means (I guess) is that xxx-vogue is not some kid fooling around but is doing a great job.

Quashe

Hi, I actually write traffic scripts for sites and yes it can be very easy to create a hitbot. I am not saying whether this guy may or may not be using one, but what I do look at is evidence. I have been reading through some of this post and many of you will just come right out and accuse a guy, drop trades, etc without knowing any of the facts. I have caught many cheaters in the past, and you can ask Slick about it too, he knows. Heck people even started blaming him for using hitbots once which I know he would never do such a thing.

Anyway since I do write these tracking scripts I would know exactly how someone could write hitbots to try and fool them. There are many possiblities going on here and there is no way you guys should be able to accuse this guy without knowing the facts.

Simply put, if someone was using a hitbot on this guy, its possible the hitbot is good enough that it would follow thru and simulate clicking on links to produce some sort of productivity. In turn this traffic would goto another site and would count as a hit. So that other site might think this guy is using a hitbot, when in fact its some other guy using a hitbot on him. Hope that wasn't too confusing ha ha.

Anyway what I suggest is you guys start tracking the exact IP addresses of the traffic you are getting from him. You can then compile a list of IP's and see what you can find out of that. I caught a guy in the past and all his IP's were peoples websites! Anyway by loooking at the IPs you can learn a great deal, by looking at similarities and differences.

Anyway I am just writing this because it may be that this Russian guy is a very hard honest worker with his sites. It may be that someone is screwing him, or who knows. But all I know is until you guys get some rock solid evidence I wouldnt stop trading with him and tell everyone else to avoid him either. What happens if the tides were turned and people though you were using a hitbot when you knew in fact you weren't. Wouldn't you want rock solid evidence first? since you know you weren't cheating? sound very unfair if that wasn't the case.

Brian

No, you are exactly right. At the time I noticed "very wierd" traffic coming from sexy-photos.net -- I looked at his top referrers -- it was me, and freeones... So I ask myself -- if it's not me, and it's not freeones, and it's not Miguel (because I sortof trusted the guy), then who else stands to gain from this bizarre traffic? The only other large site he was trading with at the time was xxxvogue.net -- I started just asking friends about xxxvogue's traffic and several of them said they observed wierd behavior. I have no proof of anything against xxxvogue -- but that's why I started this thread -- it's just a hunch -- and I hope that people that trade big traffic with him/her will do some serious investigation... (ie: test to see how many of the IP's are from proxy servers...)

As for sexy-photos.net -- this was no hunch -- I did tests on the traffic and I observed very odd clicking behavior... I'd rather lose a few trades then spend hours writing code looking for proxy servers -- but I may do this eventually anyway... Soon after I dropped the sexy-photos trade, another site that looked very similar to sexy-photos soon climbed up my toplist -- teenmodels.it.pl/ -- so I deleted it also ;)

Anyway you are right -- I haven't posted any proof here -- but that's not saying I won't in the future -- or even need to... Miguel seems to be doing tests on his traffic now to find out what is wrong... if there is something queer, we will find it eventually ;)

Well, well. I see one of my sites is arousing attention again.

People, xxxvogue.net is so simple, it's really quite unbelievable. The site is manually maintained & completely script free, with the exception of one counter. I cannot believe all of the stink this site raises in these message boards. I think I have heard of 'hit-bots' or whatever you are rambling about here. I have no clue, however, how they work. I don't think I would even spend one minute educating myself on something I would categorize as a waste of time -or- purely negative, at the very least. To the webmasters that are so eager to cry wolf, or maybe 'cheater' is more applicable here, go take a look at the site. It's so obvious there are no scripts being used there that this is really quite amusing. I, in a sense, take this as a compliment. You would assume that there's no way this site can be doing this kind of traffic, therefore, some method of super secret cheating must be involved. Get a clue people, this is a simple site that does great traffic & makes a great profit also. That's the bottom line. I would really appreciate it, for once, if someone would display a little maturity -or- education -or- common sense, at least, before slinging mud at a hard working, honest site & team.

-on the other hand-

Thanks to the diabolical shout in my defense! Much appreciated, bud =)


bent

Cool... well what was the problem last time?

I'm working w/ Miguel from Sexyphotos now -- you are trading with him... for December so far he has 56601 localhost (ie: no referrer) surfers clicking 295075 links... this is a steady 500% + productivity. His site is not a TGP either -- don't you think THAT is strange for a new site like his? Aren't you a little curious what's going on?

That's great and I like the design of your site. But just because you don't use a script doesn't mean anything. I suspect with good reason(s) that somebody that we trade with is using a bot -- scripts have nothing to do with it -- don't you want to know who is using it? As it has been pointed out on GFY before -- it makes no sense for a cheater to use a bot on his own site...


You must admit you have a very unique strategy -- however simple it is http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif It seems you place most of your link trades toward the bottom of your site -- and you post your galleries at the top... I will probably spend more time studying your site as it seems to be very successful...

I never said that your traffic was impossible... Maybe surfers just really love your gallery postings... but I think someone close to us is cheating -- and I did not pull this shit out of my ass -- I stand to lose a lot of traffic because of my accusations. Your site is one of the few sites that has something to gain from this bot traffic -- and you're the only webmaster out of the group that I didn't know personally. I shouldn't be pointing the finger in anyone's general direction w/o solid proof... But welcome to GFY anyway! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif


[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 12-28-2001).]

Hmmm, sounds interesting about sexy-photos.

I'll pass that on to the webmistress.

I used to watch the traffic there (xxxvouge)very closely. I had to go through more than 50 link exchanges to get good trades with productive flow at that site. Most seem to be pretty greedy with the script ratios, not all though. Then I handed the site over to a very talented young lady that is as honest as the day is long.

* the most important item here is this *

We're not even trading high enough with those sites for us to be hurt or benefit, at least, worth mentioning. So, I'll leave that up to her. I am currently making sure 17 sites are working 'up to snuff' so to speak & this isn't even an issue to me, absolutely so offense intended ...

I'm pretty much 'old school' when it comes to traffic flow. That's why I laugh when someone is accusing me / us of something like image sourcing (that was the last one) or what is being discussed here. I really am not familiar with either, or how they even work. I have been a victim of image sourcing though and it was pretty hard for me to figure out what was going on. I just 'felt' something wasn't right with the traffic flow, but the stats were all there, just no actual flow or productivity. It took me quite awhile to actually figure out what was going on there due to my lack of knowledge in that department.

I appreciate the compliment directed towards the site. I actually designed the site to send 'bucket loads' of traffic through galleries. That is the sites first objective.
After all, isn't that what surfers & webmasters alike are looking for?
The income from the site actually stems from that concept as well. That is how it's able to stay so clean.

I read earlier in this forum where someone had received 1000 hits from a 'babes' listing at the top of the site. That is simply not true & very comical. The only way this could have occurred was the gallery being pulled in 1-2 hours after listing, which is quite possible, now that I think about it.

There is no mystery with our sites or ethics. We quite simply stay to ourselves & work very hard at what we do.

I wish everyone a safe & prosperous New Year!


bent

No problem bent !! I'm glad to see it's all cleared up.

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come on guys don't make me confused
now i'm trading 7-9k daily with XXXvogue
tell me if she cheats me or not hehehee


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I still don't know what's up... Heinrich and I have been trying to figure it out... Miguel seems to want to help but I think he's just happy as hell to have 8000 clicks each day coming in out of thin air ;) As Heinrich suggested -- maybe it's just clickz is fucked up -- but we have both noticed wierd "gap" behavior that doesn't "feel right" while trading w/ Sexy-Photos... at this point I don't really care anymore... I hate nit-picking over trades -- it's a waste of time...

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huahuahu. who do u wanna see next Soul ?
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I have handicap that my English is not very good and I can't well defend agains Fly's feelings and fantasies about my traffic or what...

In any case Fly's "feelings" are very ruin my name and my sites! :-(

For some months ago I was trading with www.mediaminer.org for long time... I was very surprised that this guy from mediaminer.org can send so many hits from "Affiliates" links. I didn't know nothink about any hitbots existing. Then "Big Webmaster"(babecompetition.com) emailed me that mediaminer is using hitbot. I deleted links to mediaminer imediatelly. But I'm getting from mediaminer about 50-100 hits per day, but on mediaminer dont exist any link to me!
But I don't really think that these 50-100 hits can generate 8000 outs! Btw... which 8000 outs do you mean??

sorry for my bad English

Miguel
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sexy-photos.net
sexmoviepost.net

[This message has been edited by miguel7 (edited 12-29-2001).]

Zdravim vsechny cesi tady na GFY ! Jake je pocasi ve starim Cesku ? Rad bych se zase nekdy tam zastavil po tech letech... ale bohuzel to ted moc nejde.

Pozdravujte Prahu pokud se tam nekdo tam zastavi http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

P.S. Moje psana cestina je hrozna, ja to vim http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

Musime spolupracovat aby jsme zabranily, ze americke kapitalisti prevemou kontrolu pres svet http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/eek.gif


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kurna, dalsi byvalej cech http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
pocasi v cesku je fajn, trocha snehu, trochu zima ...
pozdravuj kapitalisty http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

ale chlape, krome "starim" (ma byt starym) .. ti vsechny y,i sedi .. to cumim http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif
kolikrat takhle neumi psat ani cesi ..

no, vlastne jeste "zabranily" http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by Robert (edited 12-29-2001).]

Meky a tvrdy "i/y" my dela velike problemy, skurvena cestina ! Pritom tady musim poslouchat jak je ta anglictina teska http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/rolleyes.gif

lol

Sorry for ya'll who don't fucking know what's going on, but I simply have to use the opportunity to talk with my native buddies http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

jo oni amici totiz neumi mluvit jinak nez anglicky a tak anglictinu povazujou za nejtezsi jazyk na svete http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

pritom netusi co se chudaci cesi musi ucit ..

chudaci amici na tu cestinu musi cumet nechapave jak vykuteleny opice :-)

my dela velike problemy cesi tady na tam zastavil ale chlape, krome "starim" ti vsechny!!

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lol Soule, ja jsem vubec nevedel, ze umis taky Cesky http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/tongue.gif

coze? muzes to rict nejak jinak? nechapu! nerozumim! nebo zkus to in English! nebo me prosim kontaktuj na ICQ 54633391

On si dela s nas srandu, nechapes ? lol

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miquel7> jak je v bastru? mate tam zaveje? tady pod kopcem (v liskovcu) je to celkem v pohode.

Parada, takhle nejak na me mluvil rakosnik co sem si u neho kupoval gyros http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

LOL http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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taky zeres gyros? ja to zeru skoro 2krat denne...doktorka rikala ze z toho do deseti let chcipnu :-)

Soul jeste taky neumrel, a on to urcite ji 4krat dene ! lol

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ja sem zral kazdej den kure v KFC .. az se mne z toho udelalo blbe .. a tak sem ted presedlal na gyros ..
ale posledni dobou mam nejaky penize, tak chodim zrat do Elektry. Akorat uz me sere ze tam maji vsechno smazeny ..

thanks for the good words guys http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

jestli je to pravej kapitalista, tak musi zrat jenom hamburgry, hranolky a chlastat k tomu kolu http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

soul, did you like Dino Ciccarelli when he was with Red Wings?

great performance, i went with Labret in couple of games. That period he stopped watching hockey and started ping pong http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

perhaps he'll start chess with Pete soon http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Robert (edited 12-29-2001).]

Maybe I founded hitbot on my site from sexees.com I havent any proof but prouctivity is only (36%) and this: http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ul...c&f=8&t=000883

Miguel www.sexy-photos.net