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What is the expected attendance figures for Summer Internext? What were last years? What are you doing to improve attendance that you haven't done in the past? |
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Aly & Juicy's Brothel on Wheels would almost be enough to lure me to Florida in the summer time. Almost. |
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The entire show format has been changed in response to feedback from previous shows... my first post in this thread best answers the question of what we're doing differently. However, there has also been a conserted effort to use the show to expand the marketplace itself, by making sure that certain segments of the mainstream marketplace/ media are aware of Internext as well. We can't keep trading traffic between the same 5 people for ever. ;) |
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I think this show is going to rock! Good news all the way around! |
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So I bring my wife, nanny, and kid. That is an extra $750 for them to just sit in the room?
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Hey Aly,
Do you know the 2006 winter dates. Need to plan my new years in Santa Domingo and recovery plan ;) Thanks, Mitch |
Wow, almost a meeeeeeeleon $$ in registration fee's. That's not bad at all.
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250 $ for attendees... I think this is way too much.. Many people don't go to seminars. Once you put your internext fee, Flight, hotel + meals, it makes a big difference for some about going or not...
150-175$ to get access to only showfloor is OK... Patty wanted to come with me this year, she doesn't care about seminars or booths, she just want to come with me and relax by the pool... 250$ just to access the pool is ridiculous... Aly, you know how I love ya Hon! but IMHO, AVN/Internext is pushing it a bit too far |
Call me stupid... but I just spent a weekend in Phoenix basically for free. I paid the hotel room of course, but sponsors pretty much paid for everything else. There was food, drinks, parties, games, activities, seminars, give-aways, etc, etc, etc, etc, and I didn't pay one penny towards a registration fee. I'm not against businesses making money by any means, but what exactly are these registration fees going towards? Is there some huge hidden fee that AVN is charged by the United States Government that all the other shows get a "get out of jail free" card from?
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3000, do not kid yourself.
Last Miami show I was at, I bet there were not over 1500 people at. |
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I don't have a full list of Internext costs to hand but, to name a few: the show has a huge contract with the hotel that includes lower room rates but makes the show liable for all rooms whether they're sold or not... this also includes fees for shutting hotel propreties off from the general public... the bars and restaurants and so on - it's kind of like a rental fee to rent an entire hotel; there's a seperate fee to rent the convention centre; there's a large insurance fee; temps are hired to run registration; a seperate company is hired to manage the online and on-site registration process; a decorator and labour are paid to deal with exhibits and signage etc; breakfast and lunch is included each day (which may be sponsored, but only in part because it's very steep); medics are paid to be on site incase of an emergency; there's a fee for setting up wireless coverage across the property; there's a strong marketing push, which costs money; there's also the overhead involved with running a trade show business... attorneys, salaries, health benefits, office space etc. I guarantee I'm missing a lot, but there are indeed costs to do this sort of thing. |
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That sounds like a lot of work just to get the show together Aly. But, uh, what exactly do YOU do again?? :winkwink: |
Thank you for the update, sweetie. It was great seeing you (albeit brief) in AZ. xoxo
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:1orglaugh ... Good bloody question! I thought I worked for a magazine! |
I think you have to ask yourself, are you going for business or is this a friggin vacation for you and your family? This is a "tradeshow" after all, and I'm not sure what business a family has attending this event. Ya, $250/person is expensive considering the spouse and kids aren't even going to the seminars or trade floor...but c'mon, if you want to spend time with them, meet them AFTER the show.
And I don't have kids myself, but judging from the nakedness at last year's show, there's no way in hell I would bring a child to an Adult show unless the kid was blindfolded the entire time. As for those business attendees bitching about the price: whether it's $2.50, $250.00, or $2500.00, remember you can write it off as a business expense. And if you are dead set on bringing the spouse, have him/her hand out flyers -- then write it off as an expense as well. Furthermore, it's not about the quantity of attendees, it's the quality of attendees. And judging from the effort that the AVN team has been putting in, the show is going to rock! AVN is attempting to reinvent the show based on all of our feedback. I too didn't care for the Florida show and thought Internext had been on a downward spiral for years. We were so concerned, Chandie and I recently had some AVN folks down for dinner just to speak our mind about it. And you know what? They listened! They have made some big changes. AVN is going to be a big show with the feel of a small show. Fun events, great information, and the chance to do business with the leaders in our industry. $250 is a bargain IMO, and for those that disagree with me, I have 3 words for you: http://adultprofitnetwork.com/misc/yp21.jpg Oh btw, hi Aly! Hope your allergies are better! ;-) |
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This change is a huge risk for Internext, but the change that's happening is in response to the requests of attendees; while some may dislike it, others support it. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but at least Internext is listening and responding accordingly. Oh, and the allergies suck! I think I may be allergic to the Valley... which is, of course, quite a believable possibility! :upsidedow |
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I love you Aly but Im done with Internext after the FIASCO that was called INternext in Vegas. I spent $22,000 on my space alone and was promised a good spot, which I had no idea what the spot was gonna be like. Well it turned out I was almost in an alley in the part where not many people went.
On top of everything NO ONE could barely get into the show the 1st day because of the IDIOTIC way things were set up for admissions. The floor was empty the entire 1st day. This along with both shows overlapping was uterrly rediculous. I may as well have just stood on top of the hotel and tossed $30,000 off the roof or at least bet it on black. The show was a disgrace and a step backwards. Im just gonna stick to AVN. Just buy my tickets for Internext. |
Aly i have a question, i usually send alot of models to the convention for shoots. There are tons of producers who shoot every day in their rooms. So are you saying that if a model wants to get a shoot with a producer in the hotel she has to pay $250 for a badge to goto a shoot that could be $300?? That is not fair to all the local talent down here who usually shoot at the conventions.
Also some of them just show up and get shoots when the producers see them, i myself have brought 5 or 6 girls with me at a time. Isn't there a way to have special access for models who have shoots or models looking for shoots? |
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Great question. Unfortunately I really don't have a great answer at this time... I've addressed this issue with the Internext managers and they're still chewing on it. Please do email me at [email protected] so I can send you a personal response when I have an answer. Really... please do. Thanks! |
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I'm sorry darling. I know the January show was disappointing to you because of the lines. They'd never been problematic in the past but were clearly an issue in Vegas... Personally I really would like to see you in attendance at the summer show though. I can't change the past, but at the very least I might be able to charge $30K in drinks to my room! Meet me at Satine's?! :upsidedow |
Shoot your content at a studio, not at a business convention you idiots.
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Hey Aly,
Great seeing you at the show in Phoenix. I have something we learned at our parties this past weekend. Instead of relying on the badge alone for security, add a heavy plastic wristband, so badges can't be traded out. You will cut down heavily on the people that bring others in. In the 4 parties we had over the last 4 days, the only issues at the parties were people who had snuck into the hotel, and two of them had badges they either found or had "aquired" The benefit is you can't lose a wrist band, and can't give it away. Good luck, and can't wait! |
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People traveling to conventions do not have studios in that area, and "not at a business convention" ??? what business is the convention about PORN, you idiot! That is just an idiotic statement! |
cant wait for the show, like the new format!!
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yeah yeah - i know some idiot will say "YOU can pay $1000" - but i mean $1000 for EVERYONE EACH - PLUS ROOM FEES- no exceptions what so ever. Keeps the idiots like you that are just looking for free drinks out. |
I left Phoenix thinking it was a great show. They took over the whole hotel so pretty much anyone you met was a potential affiliate or someone you could earn from. I stuck out my hand to anyone who'd say hi! So I think the changes at Internext are good ones.
$250 isn't cheap but it's a business expense and I'm happy to pay it. Personally, I'm sick of the shows full of pervs who aren't there to either learn how to make money or network to make MORE money. I'm thrilled at the possibility of another whole show of business people. Good job, Aly. Wish we'd had a chance to catch up in Phoenix. Pencil me in for next time, ok? |
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Frankly, they really could be making some money on this! :winkwink: |
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to be honest and this is just my opinion but i think as a business model the attendees should be paying more of the brunt of the costs Versus the companies that exhibit - and looking at how companies have scaled down in recent years with increased attendance - it might be a business direction to seriously consider. as a general rule it's easier and a safer/better business plan to make a little money from a LOT of people than a bigger chunk from a select few. |
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economics will tell which is the route you have to take - not the whinners on here. good luck and i'm looking forward to the summer show |
What people have to ask themselves is, "Do the contacts/friends you make at the shows earn you more money?" For us the answer has always been yes.
So we'll continue to attend as many shows as possible and now that the Miami show has changed its format, we'll be there too. |
Some good info here.. I'll be interested to see what more AVN have to say about these issues, my question at this time...
- If AVN "owns" the hotel for that time, does this mean the room rates will be double the usual since theres not much of an alternative? tripple perhaps? For all the aussies on this board... lets all take a moment to think how fun schoolies on the gold coast was when they brought in these exact same restrictions on hotel entry.................. |
Thanks for the info Aly :thumbsup
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I accept that at these shows (Miami and Vegas in particular), there's gonna be people there to do business, and there's gonna be your people who treat it as an annual "Event". Then there are those of us that can actually do business and have fun at the same time...without making total asses of ourselves. I've never had a problem doing more business than I expect to do, whenever I go. It's always business first though, and entertainment second. The entertainment is the background at these shows though, so they do go hand in hand. I've done business while watching the bikini contest with a prospective client. I've also done business in a room full of naked guys groping each other. I'm not one of them, I'm doing my own thing...business. The entertainment just happens to be the backdrop. The bikini contest, I'll watch. The groping guys are hard NOT to watch. You just hope and pray nothing "Arises". Fair warning to Aly though. If ANYTHING, the behaviour of some individuals could be considerably worse this year when the attendees believe they're being ripped off just going into it. The bitching will begin right away. Throw in them locking down the hotel for us and the socially inept will consider this VIP treatment. Put a VIP pass on some people and watch the primadonna attitude take over. The bitching will get WORSE when their every whim is not catered to. While I'm confident the changes are meant for the betterment of the event, I'd be dreading dealing with the incessant complaining and fallout from the show here on GFY. Best of luck darlin'. I hope I'm wrong. |
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As I mentioned above, Internext has negotiated a LOWER room rate than it would otherwise be, as a result, Internext is also liable for any rooms that are not taken. :thumbsup |
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Also I have been to conferences in the past where the main sponsors have done this, and the hotels have not been the same. As a Starwood Platinum member, I know this is going to be a royal shafting of my privedges under their program based on previous experiences. Don't get me wrong, I want to see this work for everyone - however one needs to carefully consider their business spending patterns if things are not in their corporations best interest, right? I'd love to hear the full story on the finer details when the date comes closer.... |
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