And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold, a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and hell followed with him.


There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory.

Ah...A random thought of the day.

Here is my favorite Amp....LOL

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

are you trying to tell me now that you're GOD???? come on... I know you think you're special but God? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I will say it one more time here and now. This was not out to harm anyone, but when another man (John Albright, owner of NATS to my knowledge) calls our Company or any of its employees liars, I am forced to defend all. I speak the truth. We run a solid business built on firm ground, and I will have words (or initiate immediate legal action) with anyone the makes such defamatory claims saying otherwise.

If anyone thinks NATS is UNSHAVEABLE then you need to see this. Here is a screencap of what NATS reports I should pay my affiliates for all rebills (recurring charges) for ELECTRACASH (one of our check processors)

5 total rebills.

http://www.jasonandalex.com/images/nats/nats01.jpg

Here is what ELECTRACASH says I should pay.

275 total rebills.

http://www.jasonandalex.com/images/nats/nats02.jpg

270 missing rebills because of NATS. FACT.

Do you know how long it takes to even find that problem, and THEN cut separate checks for the affiliates to make sure you do the right thing and they get paid for their hard work? This is one of the many problems we had with NATS and one of the many reasons we moved far away from it.

Now, you can expect John or one of his tech guys to jump on this board and give you all a line (or explanation depending on how you decide to view it) about how this is some security loophole, and it has to do with it being ELECTRACASH's fault, and so on. It always seemed to be someone else's fault when it came to the blame being pointed at NATS (and I have further proof of this as well). The only reason we went with Nats was because of the NO SHAVE feature.

This is just the beginning?

Very nice designs and I love the stock option program

A very interesting thread that bucks the trend of the last for months.

:Oh crap this is gonna be memorable...

Slow down on the ICQs guys....my computer is going crash...

..............lol

I assume both are over the same time frame:) Anyway, what was the reason NATS was giving, and did they fix it in some kind of update?

Andre

No Andre, this problem was originally addressed by us, to them in part on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 at 09:55:20PM, and that is when it began.

It was still not fixed when we made the move just recently. That is well over 4 months. If proof is needed, we have screencaps of that initial ticket as well.

And yes, time frames are the same of course.

Interesting - back when NATS hit the scene there were a number of complaints from affiliates of other sponsors that their ratios started to suck big time under NATS and they were all dissed or smokescreened.

Seems that was a little more too it than sheer imagination and first page hits - but then anyone who counted outgoing clicks knew that.

So all 275 sales were affiliate sales? You didn't have any sales from your own traffic?

Of course they were not, but it made it that much harder to find out whos belonged to who.

Thanks for the reply

And I never said they were.

Don't take me wrong, I'm not making accusations. I'm trying to follow the story. I didn't mean anything derogatory by the statement.

I have a vested interested in NATS as well, so I have a sincere concern.

And I do apologize for being so short. Didn't mean for it to come accross that way :)

No hard feelings, I hope everything on your end is working well for you and yours.

Alex and I will be in Phoenix. Anyone that would like to talk with us, call to set up some time. We will do our best :)

Chris
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did i say anything else than this is another great marketing opportunity for all j&a, nats, mpa3? look at who made this thread popular, those were not exactly some under-exposed personalities on gfy. some people already think if they will not use neither mpa3 nor nats then their out of business. i just am sick of changing linkcodes again and again.

my statment did not say anything against j&a, their shit looks great and their pathetic stock program is another great marketing idea. i don't know what j&a is doing, but they know what marketing is. i don't promote them because a while back their affiliate join page was broken for months which did not leave a great impression to me. However, it's a long time since then (they just had 2 sites back then) and their ideas look more matured now.

the point that i am trying to make is that all the small program owners should stay with what they have as long as it is working, because when webmasters like me have to change linkcodes again and again, it pisses us off.

Terenzo, hit me up on ICQ, I want to talk to you about our join pages being broken.
Thanks,

Chris