PIMP ROLL Bans Email Based Sales - GoFuckYourself.com

INever · 03-24-2005, 11:40 AM

EMAIL PROMOTION IS NOT TOLERATED

Sending traffic from email will result in immediate termination and all monies forfeited.
PimpRoll accepts no email promotion OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER.
Any traffic from email will result in immediate account cancellation and forfeiture of all monies.

I logged in to see about selling their new solo girl site and was greeted with this announcement.

pornstar2pac · 03-24-2005, 11:44 AM

guess you have to call everyone instead

Irrum · 03-24-2005, 11:44 AM

I think all affiliate programs sooner or later will be headed in that direction.

Corleone · 03-24-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

guess you have to call everyone instead

spam idea for 2005 ;)

BigWebRev · 03-24-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

guess you have to call everyone instead

fax'em................lol

Manowar · 03-24-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BigWebRev

fax'em................lol

Show up to the door and give em a laptop

Antonio · 03-24-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Irrum

I think all affiliate programs sooner or later will be headed in that direction.

That'll make Costa Rica a very prosperous country ;)

BlackCrayon · 03-24-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Irrum

I think all affiliate programs sooner or later will be headed in that direction.

probably, and then they will make different programs based offshore with different names for spam promotion.

boner 2.0 · 03-24-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

That'll make Costa Rica a very prosperous country ;)

Shh don't tell it

Sharky · 03-24-2005, 11:57 AM

Everyone is getting letters from the FTC now. They are on a witch hunt and someone, some sponsor, is naming names.

Giorgio_Xo · 03-24-2005, 12:03 PM

Once Epoch EU launches all this will be mute.

bigdog · 03-24-2005, 12:08 PM

isn't pimproll based in canada?

bigdog · 03-24-2005, 12:15 PM

Just read the pimproll board seems they weren't making much profit from mail traffic anyway.Below is what prdave wrote on the pimproll board

Everyone says their lists are real/legal
Mail generates sales, but profit? Not that I have seen.
So the decision was an easy one.

Theo · 03-24-2005, 12:21 PM

for most sponsors is major hassle to accept mailers. 1 out of many to mail will have a real good list

Trax · 03-24-2005, 12:23 PM

you gotto be very big and very secure to accept mail traffic...
plus you need big balls...

BradShaw · 03-24-2005, 12:26 PM

Maybe they do not want to end up like perfectgonzo?

WiredGuy · 03-24-2005, 12:29 PM

Is this the first company to actively deny all email based sales?
WG

ricks · 03-24-2005, 12:38 PM

happy to see things moving in this direction

polish_aristocrat · 03-24-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

happy to see things moving in this direction

SykkBoy · 03-24-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

happy to see things moving in this direction

why is that?

bigdog · 03-24-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

Maybe they do not want to end up like perfectgonzo?

PG spam is getting out of control these days

INever · 03-24-2005, 01:12 PM

What's this I'm hearing about EPOCH EU?

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 01:36 PM

Mail promotion was such a tiny % of our BIZ.

As most already know we've been phasing it out over the last year.

I am sure there are plenty of other sponsors that will gobble it all up and good luck to them

PimpRoll is not interested in this type of marketing.

Radiate · 03-24-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by INever

What's this I'm hearing about EPOCH EU?

also interested in this

Michael O · 03-24-2005, 03:58 PM

Marc De · 03-24-2005, 04:14 PM

Good move Dave!

andrej_NDC · 03-24-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

Just read the pimproll board seems they weren't making much profit from mail traffic anyway.Below is what prdave wrote on the pimproll board

Everyone says their lists are real/legal
Mail generates sales, but profit? Not that I have seen.
So the decision was an easy one.

bingo, they wouldnt do it while getting hundreds of email sales per day, of course

andrej_NDC · 03-24-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

Maybe they do not want to end up like perfectgonzo?

do you mean rich?

BradShaw · 03-24-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

do you mean rich?

Anyone can make a quick buck, but the FTC can also freeze all assests overnight.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 04:34 PM

Question for pimproll,

Do you still allow traffic from sites that mail , but dont directly mail for pimproll.

Lets take a hypothetical situation..

I have a vbulletin forum , much like gfy , but its a surfer porn forum.

To read the threads you must be a registered member of the forum.

On the forum i post different categories of free hosted galleries.

Every month or so ( usually when i do a major update ) i email out a notice about the update on my forum to every user in the form of a newsletter.

The newsletter never contains advertisers names or even site names, it usually is described as follows.

Dear user XXXXX

We have just added a major update to the website.

144 new cumshot pictures added
121 new cumshot videos added
103 new lesbian videos added

P.s. dont forget to login now and again to check for messages and updates ont he site.

Thecowsudder.com

andrej_NDC · 03-24-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw

Anyone can make a quick buck, but the FTC can also freeze all assests overnight.

FTC? they are not an US company

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 04:47 PM

Smokey if you mail your subscribers about updates to your sites and the destination pages on your site have PimpRoll ads. Your account will be closed.

Also if you promote PimpRoll from behind password protected areas without our approval, your account will be closed.

Tytan · 03-24-2005, 04:49 PM

see my nice sig hehe

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 04:54 PM

I wonder if any FTC action might have repercussions in the clothing and DJ fields as well?

Hmmm....

Alex

Manowar · 03-24-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Is this the first company to actively deny all email based sales?
WG

nastydollars was first iirc

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Smokey if you mail your subscribers about updates to your sites and the destination pages on your site have PimpRoll ads. Your account will be closed.

Also if you promote PimpRoll from behind password protected areas without our approval, your account will be closed.

No it wouldnt be anything like that . The destination page would simply be the forum , just like gfy newsletters

Infact no pimproll banners would be displayed , only free hosted galleries, ( and that would be a few pages inside the forum )

btw this is a hypothetical question , i'm not a pimproll affiliate , i'm just asking.

lets forget the password protection for now , thats not really applicable anyways.

Like for example, GFY is an advertiser for pimproll arent they ? and they email me newsletters that i click and directly display your banners, just curious as to how this affects them/us/future

LadyMischief · 03-24-2005, 05:11 PM

I think that's a fabulous idea.

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Like for example, GFY is an advertiser for pimproll arent they ? and they email me newsletters that i click and directly display your banners, just curious as to how this affects them/us/future

Yes we advertise our program on GFY.

And we can go through a million senarios here, but...

If you send an email to someone, and the destination page (could be after numerous re-directs and jump pages) has an ad or link for an adult related PimpRoll product, your account will be closed.

SykkBoy · 03-24-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

No it wouldnt be anything like that . The destination page would simply be the forum , just like gfy newsletters

Infact no pimproll banners would be displayed , only free hosted galleries, ( and that would be a few pages inside the forum )

btw this is a hypothetical question , i'm not a pimproll affiliate , i'm just asking.

lets forget the password protection for now , thats not really applicable anyways.

Like for example, GFY is an advertiser for pimproll arent they ? and they email me newsletters that i click and directly display your banners, just curious as to how this affects them/us/future

I'm curious about this as well
if it's an actual newsletter that is opted in to and actually contains some information...it better not have any pimproll ads?

Is anyone else doing this? I want to take their ads out of my newsletters if I'm not going to be paid for them...

note, these aren't just ads sent to people, these are actual join4free type newsletters

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

I'm curious about this as well
if it's an actual newsletter that is opted in to and actually contains some information...it better not have any pimproll ads?

Is anyone else doing this? I want to take their ads out of my newsletters if I'm not going to be paid for them...

note, these aren't just ads sent to people, these are actual join4free type newsletters

Opt-in adult xxx newsletters (join4free type newsletters) will no longer be an acceptable method for promoting our products.

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 05:37 PM

How hard is "if the surfer comes from a mailout, we will close your account"?

This also shuts down those "second hand" mailers... hiring someone else to spam and redirect to your TGP / sites / blog / whatever won't work either.

How much fun is this?

Alex

$5 submissions · 03-24-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Irrum

I think all affiliate programs sooner or later will be headed in that direction.

If that happens, what will be the impact on programs' payout levels?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Yes we advertise our program on GFY.

And we can go through a million senarios here, but...

If you send an email to someone, and the destination page (could be after numerous re-directs and jump pages) has an ad or link for an adult related PimpRoll product, your account will be closed.

Again im not trying to bash you , just curious, its a pretty big step.

It just seems a bit strange that you would allow YOUR program to be displayed on sites that email but you wont allow the exact same thing to your affiliates.

So you promote your program thru email ( directly or indrectly ) , but dont allow other to promote your sites the same exact way .

Trust me nobody hates spam emails more than me , and its a programs choice how they want to be promoted, and you should be applauded for taking some steps at least , i just wonder if you have gone overkill.

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

This also shuts down those "second hand" mailers... hiring someone else to spam and redirect to your TGP / sites / blog / whatever won't work either.

Do you mean as an attack against the TGP / sites / blog owner?

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

If that happens, what will be the impact on programs' payout levels?

Payouts go up? As mailer traffic retains like ASS

Hypothetical.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Do you mean as an attack against the TGP / sites / blog owner?

no i think he just means people that spam mail and use their own tgp as a banner advertiser , then filter the spam thru a few sites first.

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

no i think he just means people that spam mail and use their own tgp as a banner advertiser , then filter the spam thru a few sites first.

Spam generates complaints.

You can try to disguise your promotion a million ways.

If we get a complaint and it's valid, you know the rest.

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 05:50 PM

Just so I don't come off as sounding harsh.

You will be notified if your account has been flagged.

You will be given the chance to tell your side of the story.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Spam generates complaints.

You can try to disguise your promotion a million ways.

If we get a complaint and it's valid, you know the rest.

I think your missing my point , i'm not planning on spamming anything , i dont mail period.

Owning a forum isnt "spamming" its owning a forum . If you have a newsletter informing users of new items its not "spamming" its the same thing gfy does. If i click a thread posted in a gfy newsletter , i will likely at some point find your banner at the top of my page.

Infact in my example above i posted an even toned down version of what gfy does.

The banners wouldnt even be displayed..

I just thought it was sort of strange that you would choose to promote your own program in a way that you wouldnt allow your advertisers to.

PR_Dave · 03-24-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I just thought it was sort of strange that you would choose to promote your own program in a way that you wouldnt allow your advertisers to.

I am not missing your point and I know exactly what you are saying.

It's simply a business decision.

If you like it or don't like it, that's fine.

03-24-2005, 11:40 AM	#1
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,666	PIMP ROLL Bans Email Based Sales EMAIL PROMOTION IS NOT TOLERATED Sending traffic from email will result in immediate termination and all monies forfeited. PimpRoll accepts no email promotion OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER. Any traffic from email will result in immediate account cancellation and forfeiture of all monies. I logged in to see about selling their new solo girl site and was greeted with this announcement.

03-24-2005, 11:44 AM	#2
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Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	Everyone is getting letters from the FTC now. They are on a witch hunt and someone, some sponsor, is naming names. __________________ Sharky

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Irrum Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: icq- 228-685-855 Posts: 802	I think all affiliate programs sooner or later will be headed in that direction.

03-24-2005, 12:08 PM	#12
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	isn't pimproll based in canada?

03-24-2005, 12:15 PM	#13
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Just read the pimproll board seems they weren't making much profit from mail traffic anyway.Below is what prdave wrote on the pimproll board Everyone says their lists are real/legal Mail generates sales, but profit? Not that I have seen. So the decision was an easy one.

03-24-2005, 12:21 PM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	for most sponsors is major hassle to accept mailers. 1 out of many to mail will have a real good list

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03-24-2005, 12:29 PM	#17
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03-24-2005, 01:12 PM	#22
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,666	Solution? What's this I'm hearing about EPOCH EU?

03-24-2005, 01:36 PM	#23
PR_Dave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 2,792	Mail promotion was such a tiny % of our BIZ. As most already know we've been phasing it out over the last year. I am sure there are plenty of other sponsors that will gobble it all up and good luck to them PimpRoll is not interested in this type of marketing. __________________ www.PIMPROLL.com

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Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	Good move Dave!

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Question for pimproll, Do you still allow traffic from sites that mail , but dont directly mail for pimproll. Lets take a hypothetical situation.. I have a vbulletin forum , much like gfy , but its a surfer porn forum. To read the threads you must be a registered member of the forum. On the forum i post different categories of free hosted galleries. Every month or so ( usually when i do a major update ) i email out a notice about the update on my forum to every user in the form of a newsletter. The newsletter never contains advertisers names or even site names, it usually is described as follows. Dear user XXXXX We have just added a major update to the website. 144 new cumshot pictures added 121 new cumshot videos added 103 new lesbian videos added P.s. dont forget to login now and again to check for messages and updates ont he site. Thecowsudder.com __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-24-2005, 04:47 PM	#32
PR_Dave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 2,792	Smokey if you mail your subscribers about updates to your sites and the destination pages on your site have PimpRoll ads. Your account will be closed. Also if you promote PimpRoll from behind password protected areas without our approval, your account will be closed. __________________ www.PIMPROLL.com

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03-24-2005, 04:54 PM	#34
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I wonder if any FTC action might have repercussions in the clothing and DJ fields as well? Hmmm.... Alex

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03-24-2005, 05:37 PM	#41
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	How hard is "if the surfer comes from a mailout, we will close your account"? This also shuts down those "second hand" mailers... hiring someone else to spam and redirect to your TGP / sites / blog / whatever won't work either. How much fun is this? Alex

03-24-2005, 05:50 PM	#48
PR_Dave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 2,792	Just so I don't come off as sounding harsh. You will be notified if your account has been flagged. You will be given the chance to tell your side of the story. __________________ www.PIMPROLL.com