Advice on setting up my site please

You're gonna get some real smart ass answers to this but I'm gonna be honest with you...

Starting a site on a free host is a complete waste of time. I can only think of one site that ever suceeded at it and that was a while back before the scripts took over. Now it just doesn't work.

Best case scenario would be that you could build up a small traffic base but as soon as you do that, Murphy's Law takes over and something happens to the free host which leaves you high and dry.

If you're serious abouth this business then just buy the domain and get a small virtual account with a real host. Seeing as how you are new and inexperienced with traffic trading you should be able to get away with a 20 or 50 dollar a month bandwidth bill.... and as your site grows so will this bill, but hopefully so will your ability to make the cash

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What about the Hun and Worldsex? If they can do it, Pornjacker can to.

You think the Hun and Worldsex are on free hosts ???????

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Make $$$ the Diabolical Way

And don't forget easypic and jjj. That's four out of the top 5 on sextracker.

I'm not sure.. but I heard a few years ago something that TheHun WAS his own host.. Maybe someone can verify it but wasn't he the guy behind Vuurwerk.nl (biggest hosting compagny in this country)

As a matter of fact, 9 out of the top 10 on sextracker. Al4a and maturepost are on paid hosting.

Thanks .. The Truth I hear what your saying and I know there's plenty to go wrong using free hosts but there's even more can go wrong for me if I pay for hosting and bandwidth then generate traffic that I can't convert into cash.
One of the reasons I will be collecting redirectors is so that if any of my free hosts fold I can at least keep a percentage of my traffic.
I would like to do this kind of thing full time but my absolute minimum budget I can live on is $85 a week so if I can manage that then I will be a happy pornjacker.


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I want to know how you're able to live off of $85 bucks a week?

Truth- Would a virtual host be able to handle the massive traffic hits that tgp's give? I'm in the same boat as pornjacker, but I have a domain I'm just looking for a host. I've heard that 100 gigs on a virtual server is not the same as 100 gigs on a dedicated and that a virtual account most likely wouldn't hold up. Is that true?

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double post, sorry

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For what its worth my first question is the most important for me to know the answer to.

Yes would be really cool answer as I am exited about having a go with a trading script but no worries if the answer is no I will just build as solid a foundation as I can with the means available.

Good advice is all I'm looking for not opinions as to weather I will succeed or fail.

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Yes there is a free script. And no, I don't know any freehost that allows the use of scripts

The answer to your questions is yes... these things do exist.

I think CJ Ultra has a free version and there is at least one or two hosts that allow this. I think there is even one that is an all in one deal. They host you and provide the script. The catch is they take a percentage of your traffic, or they have a console added to all your pages. These things make it that much harder to get started with this method. I wish I had url's to post but I don't. I don't deal with this stuff directly... I just know it's out there.

As for the comments about it being a bad idea. I know you don't want to hear negative things but you can't close your mind t this free advice. This business will swallow you up in a heartbeat if you don't get things rolling right from the start. I'd hate to see you waste your time and efforts.



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All these discount bandwidth deals are NO good for tgp submitting. There's so many variables but that's the bottom line. A virtual account may be ok to submit to smaller tgp's thru RS or something. I heard it can send 10 - 40k a day approx. ... Now, that might be OK but a listing on any of the top dogs will blow that away in a matter of hours, and if you plan on getting listed with all of them you're really gonna be surprised.

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Make $$$ the Diabolical Way

Just like with the free hosts, same goes for free scripts. If Worldsex and Easypic can do it, so can Pornjacker.

PJ... You're not ready yet (mentally). This game is 50% physical (getiing your name out there, networking, submitting...) and 50% mental (being creative, learning from articles, and other webmasters, thinking positively about your business...)

Your writing shows that your hesitant. You shouldn't say "IF I start to make money..." You should be saying "WHEN I start making money..."

Don't ask, but Tell yourself how much you're going to make!

"Am I going to make 25K my first year??"
NO, It's,
"I WILL MAKE 25K MY FIRST YEAR!!

No offense to the Free hosts (some of them I'm friends with, so no offense guys ), but do you really think they're free? You will pay for a free host one way or another. Weather it be traffic loss, or lost signups (meanign your surfer bought, but they bought from the free host's banners and not yours).


You said your budget is $85 a week. That's $340 a month.

$340 a month?? Why the fuck aren't you getting paid hosting? Dude, Swiftwill has hosting for as low as $0.97 a gig. The base cost is $25.00 a month, plus .99 for every gig over that.
$25.00 for hosting. (NO SIGN UP FEE)
Load it up with CJUltra (Free trading script)
Content? Fuck content!! I can get you 13,000 FREE pics to use, so don't worry about that.
TGSW $90.00 (one time fee)
RS $10.00 a month (ongoing)
TGSW updates for TGSW $90.00 (one time fee)
Trackers? Free!
Domain names? Sounds like you may already own a couple.

So if you took the "expensive" road:
Hosting, TGSW, TGSW updates.
You can be up and running for less than $220.00

There was mention that the host may not be able to handle it... Well that's ok at first. WHEN YOU MAKE MORE $$ (AND YOU WILL), Then you can get dedicated.

So Get a host, set up a mini TGP, add your galleries, add the people you want to trade traffic with, (which will be other mini TGP's or other smaller link lists), add their galleries as well to thicken up your site, start feeding it traffic from TGSW, or RS. Alter and fine tune your trading script.

Don't forget to jack off somewhere in there, looking at all that pussy will only frustrate you.

Fine tuning your trade script is something that I'm still learning. With the help of a fellow webmaster I was able to triple my traffic coming in. So once your ready ask me, I'll be glad to share that info with you when you get there.

Bottom line... PJ You need to prepepare yourself mentally. YOU WILL MAKE MONEY!! The question is not, "if" or "when", it's "HOW MUCH".

You've just got to prepare yourself! (and don't forget to jack off!

Hit me up on ICQ sometime.
Andf check my sig for that content that I mentioned.


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if you're going to run a script site you must use a fast host, don't even think the idea for freehosting (unless it's something like dieselspace.com). Get your own domain. God, spend some money to start,with you bucks you're up and running! it's impossible not be able to cover at least your bills.!

he he thanks for pointing that one out to me RedShoe the funny thing is that I'm well aware of power words like "when you buy you get 3 years free blah blah blah" as oppose to "if you buy" it just seems ironic I sold myself short

Soul_Rebel big thanks for the dieselspace.com that looks like just what I'm looking for, looking forwards to having a play with it anyway

yes yes yes I do appreciate there are huge advantages in spending money to make money but right now that's just not an option for me, besides when I do pay for something I want to understand what I'm paying for and know for sure that I need it.

Thanks for the advice I will be reading it all more closely later but a family feast awaits me, time to get fat


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Virtual works fine, I love the ill-informed proponents of "I pay tons more money than I need to" options.

We host quite a few sites, and at any given time any of our servers are pushing out 6 or 7 simultaneous thehun/worldsex/whatever listings. Guess what? They don't break a sweat.

the traffic TGP's generate is impressive, but it will hardly kill a well setup machine. I advise getting a host with a clue, and you'll be fine. People here will recommend such places for you, and 9 times out of 10 you won't be able to tell the difference from dedicated, until you start getting into seriouslly massive amounts of traffic, and/or funky script/whatever needs.

-Phil

Clickzs - http://www.clickzs.com is a fair script for starting out. The host it and of right now, it's totally FREE !! No traffic shaving or anything.

What's the catch ?? Well, for now, it's in beta-testing, but once it goes live, the owner doesn't ask for much, there's a few options like you can push his dialer or sponsor, that's all that he wants, so it's a great deal.

HOWEVER, one thing about the script is that it does have some drawbacks. For some reason with some sites, you can think that you're feeding out big hits to someone, but those hits don't get tracked by the other sites. I've had that problem with a few sites that have been trading with me. One guy thought that he was kicking me big hits, when I wasn't seeing much on my site.

The other big drawback with it is that you can't just put in a domain and have the script add up hits from all pages from that domain, you have to put enter in all of the exact referring domains on your own, which can be a pain.

I guess that it is a free script that doesn't shave, so maybe you can give it a try.

Thanks Slick I'll check that one out too if its easy to set up.

As for giving hits out and not being picked up I would guess that its a problem with the stats they are using, From what I have read most of the free web stats are pure guesswork and none of them are really accurate (I'm going to be using sextracker it has a lot of useful features and appears to be one of the more reliable ones)

First things first though I'm going to set up an account with dieselspace.com and have a go at starting some trades with it


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