Bigger hoax in science: Global warming, Evolution or Black holes? - GoFuckYourself.com

DarkJedi · 03-23-2005, 04:50 PM

Hard to say.

Discuss ?

$5 submissions · 03-23-2005, 04:51 PM

DJ you're contesting Evolution now?

DarkJedi · 03-23-2005, 04:53 PM

of course

chodadog · 03-23-2005, 04:55 PM

Global warming for sure. Mass hysteria at its finest right there.

Martin · 03-23-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chodadog

Global warming for sure. Mass hysteria at its finest right there.

I believe in all those things.

JFK · 03-23-2005, 05:15 PM

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$5 submissions · 03-23-2005, 05:17 PM

Of the three... I'll pick Global warming. The hysteria behind it reminds me of George Carlin's monologue re the environment. Hilarious.

uno · 03-23-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Of the three... I'll pick Global warming. The hysteria behind it reminds me of George Carlin's monologue re the environment. Hilarious.

I'd have to agree.

LadyMischief · 03-23-2005, 05:27 PM

Global warming...

Fake Nick · 03-23-2005, 05:29 PM

black holes

websiex · 03-23-2005, 05:31 PM

Definitely evolution (Human creation). While it isn't a hoax, it is just an unproven theory that some people take as a fact.

Global warming has a very lot of hype too, but it is somewhat more ... real than the theory of human evolution.

Fake Nick · 03-23-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex

Definitely evolution (Human creation). While it isn't a hoax, it is just an unproven theory that some people take as a fact.

not believing in evolution is like claiming the earth is flat all over again

if you look at other species and what they do and how they adapt to situations , you see evolution in progress

every day more and more examples of evolution in progress are shown , yet some people still dare to claim it is not a proven fact

jonpotz · 03-23-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

not believing in evolution is like claiming the earth is flat all over again

if you look at other species and what they do and how they adapt to situations , you see evolution in progress

every day more and more examples of evolution in progress are shown , yet some people still dare to claim it is not a proven fact

these are the same people that claim God created man yet can present no evidence except the bible and faith.

its a never ending battle. not even worth talking about because everyone is stuck in his/her own ways through hundreds of years of social evolution.

websiex · 03-23-2005, 05:43 PM

Occam's Razor -
A supreme being created everything in 7 days. - Simple
or
Life was created by a one in a gabillion chance. - Complicated

Christianity FTW.

Fake Nick · 03-23-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jonpotz

these are the same people that claim God created man yet can present no evidence except the bible and faith.

its a never ending battle. not even worth talking about because everyone is stuck in his/her own ways through hundreds of years of social evolution.

true , I hope and think that one day anyone stating he believes in god will be laughed at and not taken seriously , and it will be just like saying I believe in smurfs or elves

jonpotz · 03-23-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

true , I hope and think that one day anyone stating he believes in god will be laughed at and not taken seriously , and it will be just like saying I believe in smurfs or elves

i feel the same way.

there is a science behind everything.

just because WE as humans can't figure it out doesn't mean there isn't an answer.

Just because WE HAVE NO ANSWER doesn't mean we should fabricate a bunch of bullshit. But this has been going on since beginning of man, it can't be changed now, especially since we have bible thumpers like Bush running the country.

JSA Matt · 03-23-2005, 05:48 PM

evolution is a myth

uno · 03-23-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

not believing in evolution is like claiming the earth is flat all over again

if you look at other species and what they do and how they adapt to situations , you see evolution in progress

every day more and more examples of evolution in progress are shown , yet some people still dare to claim it is not a proven fact

It isn't proven fact. It's a theory supported by mounds and mounds and shitloads of evidence.

uno · 03-23-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex

Occam's Razor -
A supreme being created everything in 7 days. - Simple
or
Life was created by a one in a gabillion chance. - Complicated

Christianity FTW.

If you believe that is sound logic I feel sorry for you. Sounds like something that would be laughed out of an intro to philosophy class.

abstractAFFect · 03-23-2005, 05:57 PM

Right.
God created Dinosaurs and all the dozens of other hominids that came before humans as well as the new species of man they're finding every year.

That's all a myth. Even the carbon dating machines used to test the age of those findings. Those are all fake to.

Grow up.

power182 · 03-23-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

If you believe that is sound logic I feel sorry for you. Sounds like something that would be laughed out of an intro to philosophy class.

Actually they teach it. It?s called the watch makers theory. Which is more believable: that one can create a watch by throwing the pieces together on the floor until they land in the correct order or a skilled maker creates it. There are also theories around the reverse logic. Philosophy isn?t so much about being fact or fiction but theory and validity.

rambler · 03-23-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Actually they teach it. It?s called the watch makers theory. Which is more believable: that one can create a watch by throwing the pieces together on the floor until they land in the correct order or a skilled maker creates it. There are also theories around the reverse logic. Philosophy isn?t so much about being fact or fiction but theory and validity.

They teach it in religous college (its really a bunch of BS)

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:01 PM

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Right.
God created Dinosaurs and all the dozens of other hominids that came before humans as well as the new species of man they're finding every year.

That's all a myth. Even the carbon dating machines used to test the age of those findings. Those are all fake to.

Grow up.

Many believe the bible is not meant to be taken literally. It reads that God create the world in seven days, but answer me this. What is seven days to God? A day to God could be a million years to us.

By the way, I am not religious. I just find this argument intriguing.

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:02 PM

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They teach it in religous college (its really a bunch of BS)

I went to a state uni, so thats not true. Its just a theory, one that merits discussion.

rambler · 03-23-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Many believe the bible is not meant to be taken literally. It reads that God create the world in seven days, but answer me this. What is seven days to God? A day to God could be a million years to us.

By the way, I am not religious. I just find this argument intriguing.

Oh come on, you're always arguing "for god"

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:05 PM

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Oh come on, you're always arguing "for god"

Oh if you only really knew me...... I find religion interesting. It shows a lot about a culture and its history. I have studied it to great extents, but I remain agnostic. If anything I find Buddhism to be the most in line with my values and way of thinking.

uno · 03-23-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Actually they teach it. It?s called the watch makers theory. Which is more believable: that one can create a watch by throwing the pieces together on the floor until they land in the correct order or a skilled maker creates it. There are also theories around the reverse logic. Philosophy isn?t so much about being fact or fiction but theory and validity.

Yes I'm aware of that. It's posed more as a question to make kids scratch their heads than anything.

uno · 03-23-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Oh if you only really knew me...... I find religion interesting. It shows a lot about a culture and its history. I have studied it to great extents, but I remain agnostic. If anything I find Buddhism to be the most in line with my values and way of thinking.

But really its a pretty silly argument lacking any sort of verifiable fact.

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Yes I'm aware of that. It's posed more as a question to make kids scratch their heads than anything.

Thats more or less what into to Philosophy is about, an introduction to thinking outside of the norm. Nothing real hardcore in any 101 level class.

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

But really its a pretty silly argument lacking any sort of verifiable fact.

Couldn't agree more, I was merely stating its existence in Philosophy classes.

uno · 03-23-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Thats more or less what into to Philosophy is about, an introduction to thinking outside of the norm. Nothing real hardcore in any 101 level class.

Yes, and all the dilemmas presented are usually a representation of some logical fallacy or another.

Fabuleux · 03-23-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Actually they teach it. It?s called the watch makers theory. Which is more believable: that one can create a watch by throwing the pieces together on the floor until they land in the correct order or a skilled maker creates it. There are also theories around the reverse logic. Philosophy isn?t so much about being fact or fiction but theory and validity.

That's a stupid theory and hasn't anything to do with evolution. Evolution starts with the simplest piece of lifeform which consists of no more then a few molecules. Far less complex then a watch, and created by just throwing some chemicals together. It's highly probable that this also happened on Mars (we will know in a few years), but that lifeform couldn't evoluate to an intelligent being like a human, because the environmental conditions do not allow it. (no atmosphere).

websiex · 03-23-2005, 06:12 PM

I like the Watchmaker's Theory, pretty neato.

power182 · 03-23-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabuleux

That's a stupid theory and hasn't anything to do with evolution. Evolution starts with the simplest piece of lifeform which consists of no more then a few molecules. Far less complex then a watch, and created by just throwing some chemicals together. It's highly probable that this also happened on Mars (we will know in a few years), but that lifeform couldn't evoluate to an intelligent being like a human, because the environmental conditions do not allow it. (no atmosphere).

Once again I was not agreeing with the theory just stating its existence. I agree with your above statement and believe that evolution was the driving factor that placed us where we are today. Just look at mankind?s evolution over, in galaxy terms, the very little amount of time we have existed.

khs · 03-23-2005, 06:18 PM

none of the above

abstractAFFect · 03-23-2005, 06:20 PM

Sorry. Replace those periods with question marks in my last post and it will make more sense.

My basic argument is this:

There are two types of Information. There is Knowledge and there is Belief.

The governing principles of our life are based on Knowledge.
Knowledge of various physics that we function on and with everyday.
Knowledge does NOT contradict itself and is UNIVERSALLY agreed upon.
Where as beliefs is very contradicting and is limited to information and locality among other things.

At the current point in science we can:
-Tell what star systems our DNA came from billions of years ago.
-We can prove historically where our species evolved from.
-We have numerous remains from MANY other species that pre-date any agreeable picture of the "CREATION OF MAN AND EARTH" in a corresponding way to the bible.

Now, for you to honestly say that these things are myth just supports my argument further. People only BELIEVE what makes sense to them. The more you remain objective and become educated. THE MORE THE WORLD starts to make sense. Therefore, you no longer have to rely on a book changed 100's of times, written by people with the avg IQ of a German Shepard, and formatted to the times to keep cultures from stealing and cheating on they're wives with sheep.

Fabuleux · 03-23-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by power182

Once again I was not agreeing with the theory just stating its existence.

I got that. ;)

Also global warming is a proven fact, it's only very hard to prove that it is (or is not) because of human influences.

Black holes are complex and I don't want to go into details (read some Stephen Hawking). I would say none of the three theories is a hoax.

$5 submissions · 03-23-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex

I like the Watchmaker's Theory, pretty neato.

Evolution is extremely simple ... why resort to a very complicated "Design" theory?

There is "design" at work in evolution as well

If the organism cannot survive in the environment, it dies and some other member of its species or another species that fits closer to the "design" demands of the environment survives... until there's equilibrium. Then another condition comes in and the process starts again.

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psili · 03-23-2005, 07:03 PM

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websiex · 03-23-2005, 07:12 PM

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You have a great post whore methodology: Create posts that target peoples' fundamental beliefs and values, whether in agreement or disagreement.

Good for you, man.

Thought of that before I even clicked the post, all of his posts work this way. Always have.

uno · 03-23-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabuleux

Black holes are complex and I don't want to go into details (read some Stephen Hawking). I would say none of the three theories is a hoax.

I don't know what he was thinking betting against them.

eroswebmaster · 03-23-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fabuleux

but that lifeform couldn't evoluate to an intelligent being like a human, because the environmental conditions do not allow it. (no atmosphere).

doesn't that in and of itself invalidate evolution?
If evolution exists to the level you're saying it does..then wouldn't a lifeform have evolved where it could exist in the conditions that are present on mars?
And by lifeoform I'm referring to something a bit more complex than a single cell organism.

uno · 03-23-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

doesn't that in and of itself invalidate evolution?
If evolution exists to the level you're saying it does..then wouldn't a lifeform have evolved where it could exist in the conditions that are present on mars?
And by lifeoform I'm referring to something a bit more complex than a single cell organism.

Woah, you're back.

And no, it doesn't. Who knows what factors lead to the dying of Mars. Perhaps they were too harsh and too fast for adaptation had life existed.

Young · 03-23-2005, 07:45 PM

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live life, make money, gamble, have sex, drink. leave the thinking to the dorks.

Fabuleux · 03-23-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

doesn't that in and of itself invalidate evolution?
If evolution exists to the level you're saying it does..then wouldn't a lifeform have evolved where it could exist in the conditions that are present on mars?
And by lifeoform I'm referring to something a bit more complex than a single cell organism.

That's a great point. Life as we know it requires water to live, and microorganisms can even live in the water of a nuclear reactor. As far as we know there is not a lot of water on mars, scientists think (still has to be proven) that microorganisms live in some sort of mud below the surface. The reason those microorganisms didn't evolve any further could be because there is no open water. There are a lot of questions to be answered. The funny thing is that traveling to mars could give an answer to the question how the fuck we got here.

Fabuleux · 03-23-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

<---agnostic....aka Its way too complicated for me to even give a shit.

live life, make money, gamble, have sex, drink. leave the thinking to the dorks.

Knowledge can give more value to the life of the people who do give a shit.

american pervert · 03-23-2005, 08:04 PM

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radical · 03-23-2005, 08:15 PM

Maybe a point to note, I'm sure I read somwhere that the Mars we see today was not the Mars it used to be, something about Mar's Magnetic Field Collapsing turned it into what we see today, apparently this magnetic field helps block dangerous levels of radiation emitted from the sun.

I'll try and dig up the link! (",)

FelixFlow · 03-23-2005, 08:59 PM

perhaps none of the 3 are hoaxes ?

:2cents:

dirtyone · 03-23-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jonpotz

i feel the same way.

there is a science behind everything.

just because WE as humans can't figure it out doesn't mean there isn't an answer.

Just because WE HAVE NO ANSWER doesn't mean we should fabricate a bunch of bullshit. But this has been going on since beginning of man, it can't be changed now, especially since we have bible thumpers like Bush running the country.

Congradulations.. you have managed to condense thousands of years of faith into 8 years of politics.

Idiot.

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websiex Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America Posts: 987	Definitely evolution (Human creation). While it isn't a hoax, it is just an unproven theory that some people take as a fact. Global warming has a very lot of hype too, but it is somewhat more ... real than the theory of human evolution.

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websiex Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America Posts: 987	Occam's Razor - A supreme being created everything in 7 days. - Simple or Life was created by a one in a gabillion chance. - Complicated Christianity FTW.

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abstractAFFect Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 42	Right. God created Dinosaurs and all the dozens of other hominids that came before humans as well as the new species of man they're finding every year. That's all a myth. Even the carbon dating machines used to test the age of those findings. Those are all fake to. Grow up.

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abstractAFFect Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 42	Sorry. Replace those periods with question marks in my last post and it will make more sense. My basic argument is this: There are two types of Information. There is Knowledge and there is Belief. The governing principles of our life are based on Knowledge. Knowledge of various physics that we function on and with everyday. Knowledge does NOT contradict itself and is UNIVERSALLY agreed upon. Where as beliefs is very contradicting and is limited to information and locality among other things. At the current point in science we can: -Tell what star systems our DNA came from billions of years ago. -We can prove historically where our species evolved from. -We have numerous remains from MANY other species that pre-date any agreeable picture of the "CREATION OF MAN AND EARTH" in a corresponding way to the bible. Now, for you to honestly say that these things are myth just supports my argument further. People only BELIEVE what makes sense to them. The more you remain objective and become educated. THE MORE THE WORLD starts to make sense. Therefore, you no longer have to rely on a book changed 100's of times, written by people with the avg IQ of a German Shepard, and formatted to the times to keep cultures from stealing and cheating on they're wives with sheep.

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