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bringer 03-23-2005 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
i've had it with this place. moving plans are in progress. gotta decide where. give me suggestions. of the 20 or so countries i have been to, i am leaning towards

Brasil
Costa Rica
Toronto
st martin :thumbsup
ps, avoid the dutch

power182 03-23-2005 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fl_prn_str
This is TRUE......Didnt we have a SURPLUS during the CLINTON Admin?

so what we need to do to FIX THE SYSTEM is to have a DEMOCRAT in the White House.......then between 2 to 4 years later....pooof......a SURPLUS....Amazing isnt it?
Okay, I agree with you that this needs some attention but get off the Bush administration about this one. This started about 70 years ago, under FDR a Democrat, when the programs where first established under the great depression. It was never meant to pay people, but to earn extra cash flow for the federal government; why do you think the age of 65 was chosen to start payouts, it?s because that was the avg life expectance back then. This has nothing to do with the surplus or deficit, they are separate funds. Before you start giving solutions please read the history behind it and educate yourself on solutions.

yuvalus 03-23-2005 03:12 PM
I lost you in the "year 2041" part

power182 03-23-2005 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
doesn't matter if its a DEM or a REPUB, this situation would still be facing us. if not in 2041 maybe eralier maybe later, who knows. the point of my post is that this country is being driven into a lake. my prediction is that this country will collapse sometime around the year 2050. it can't last much longer. the economy can't keep milking people who can't afford the cost of living in their parts of the country as it is.

the american people can only pay for so many mistakes. what then after they've used up all the tax dollars and SSA and reserves? raise taxes? to what limit? how long before the government gets 70% of regular peoples salaries for the "privelege" to live in such a great country.

have you forgotten that all you, we, and us, are the devil to the real devils?

all the pronographers in the world, don't equal one nasty ass politician. they steal, lie, and pilfer under the guise of the american dream and play above the law.

i've had it with this place. moving plans are in progress. gotta decide where. give me suggestions. of the 20 or so countries i have been to, i am leaning towards

Brasil
Costa Rica
Toronto

Toronto isn't a country :)

seeric 03-23-2005 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by power182
Toronto isn't a country :)
damn. there goes all that money my parents never spent on my education.

shit. oh well, at least i can dj and get paid 1000 bucks for 2 hours if i have to.

seeric 03-23-2005 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bringer
st martin :thumbsup
ps, avoid the dutch

yeah, it's pretty much lookin like costa rica.

lots of shelter there. ;)

Doctor Dre 03-23-2005 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
yes.

please see post #5

you are about my age too bro, maybe younger, which would mean you get 0.

kimmy, aren't you somewhere around my age too?

i don't care who's version it is, basically, i am trying to say that people can no longer, and should have ever trusted our government to handle their retirement.

i remember my grandparents in the 80's talking about SSA collapsing and i didn't give a shit at age 12 or 15, didn't even know what it was at the time.

LOL. damn chocolate chip cookies and paste i ate in elementary school killed all my brain cells. LOL
I'd get 0 if I was american ... but I'm canadian . And I'm gonna die too young to get some of that change anyways

Mr. Pat 03-23-2005 04:03 PM
bush sucks dead monkey balls

websiex 03-23-2005 04:26 PM
I have a plan to save social security, but the American government doesn't like change. There have been two parties controlling this country since its beginning, which is absurd. There needs to be major political change in the country for anything good to happen for the people. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are for the rich, yet people still vote for these two parties. It is understandable to vote Democrat since they preach they are for the people, and understandably are more people-oriented than Republicans, but the fact is that both parties are not in it for the people.

There must be another party entered as competition. The party can't be extreme left, or extreme right as all other American third parties are. It must be moderate-radical; sadly, this won't ever happen because the two party monopolists also control the American media.

Whew, sucks to be us.

seeric 03-23-2005 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by websiex
I have a plan to save social security, but the American government doesn't like change. There have been two parties controlling this country since its beginning, which is absurd. There needs to be major political change in the country for anything good to happen for the people. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are for the rich, yet people still vote for these two parties. It is understandable to vote Democrat since they preach they are for the people, and understandably are more people-oriented than Republicans, but the fact is that both parties are not in it for the people.

There must be another party entered as competition. The party can't be extreme left, or extreme right as all other American third parties are. It must be moderate-radical; sadly, this won't ever happen because the two party monopolists also control the American media.

Whew, sucks to be us.

i agree with you on the need for a third party. but i believe what you really need to do is get the special interest fuckers out of the government. there will always be corruption in all government and in any country, but here it is blatantly tolerated. the american people know that these assholes are stuffing their pockets with special interest money for votes on laws that ultimately fuck over the american people. meanwhile, everyone sits by and watches the healthcare system get more fucked up, the drug market get more expensive and unattainable for the elderly, and housing on a decent street becomes out of the question for even a household that makes 150k a year, and don't get me started on gas prices. i think that no matter who is in there, its not the politicians making laws, its big business. they have so much money to buy the laws the way they want them and the politicians fuck the people in the ass as much as they will take it.

websiex 03-23-2005 04:56 PM
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i agree with you on the need for a third party. but i believe what you really need to do is get the special interest fuckers out of the government. there will always be corruption in all government and in any country, but here it is blatantly tolerated. the american people know that these assholes are stuffing their pockets with special interest money for votes on laws that ultimately fuck over the american people. meanwhile, everyone sits by and watches the healthcare system get more fucked up, the drug market get more expensive and unattainable for the elderly, and housing on a decent street becomes out of the question for even a household that makes 150k a year, and don't get me started on gas prices. i think that no matter who is in there, its not the politicians making laws, its big business. they have so much money to buy the laws the way they want them and the politicians fuck the people in the ass as much as they will take it.
There definitely needs to be some sort of third party in the US. The problem is that all third parties in the US are radical, and another problem is the cash required to start a third party. If I could start a third party and get media attention, I would, but that is out of the question since the two big parties control everything.

Another problem with starting a third party in this country is that people aren't educated. I don't think people know that the top 1% of the country owns 33% of the nations wealth, and other amazing figures like that. They don't know this because the rich people of the United States (which I refer to as royalty) keep them ignornant to the facts. It is kind of gross when you think about it. There NEEDS to be change for anything to get done for the people.

Another problem with starting a third party in the United States is that the government itself is set up to keep you out. You need so many signatures, and so many this and that, that just keeps you out of the whole political process itself.

While it does seem impossible to create a successful third party in the US, it isn't. With technology such as the internet, I am sure it is possible to find some like minded people that can possibly spread the word of your party. Let it also be known that Ross Perot got 19% of the popular vote in the 1992 election, which is a HUGE amount of votes. He did this with mostly his own money, but if a third party does get a big following, it is highly possible to take some seats in the house or even the presidency.

Right now, in my opinion, is the best time to start a third party. The country is very divided, and there are a lot of issues that either party can't seem to figure out. They can't figure out these issues because it would mean reaching into the pocketbooks of their friends (the rich), so they make it look like it is impossible to resolve these important issues, when in reality it isn't all that hard. The American people deserve better than this.

Whew... after writing all of this I feel the need to make a third party.

grumpy 03-23-2005 04:59 PM
The US is bankrupt since a long time.

seeric 03-23-2005 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by websiex
They don't know this because the rich people of the United States (which I refer to as royalty) keep them ignornant to the facts.
yes.

and, none of that 1% is from the adult biz, no matter how many blings you read here.

we are talking white bread, good old boy, underground armies in other countries, supporting kind of rich.

the u.s. society and education system as a whole is designed to keep the population as stupid as possible. we're trained to stay in line and do as we are told and be thankful to live in such a good country. i didn't understand alot of what i am frustrated about nowadays until i began to travel alot, live abroad, and mature agewise.


the GOV hates people who get out of this line and watches them very carefully.

Pete-KT 03-23-2005 05:14 PM
thats the fucked up US gov. for you

websiex 03-23-2005 05:18 PM
Going to sum up the United States' citizens in one quote, from a Hollywood movie.

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What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?
Some people will never leave the county from which they are born, let alone the state. They can't because they are too poor. 12% of the United States population lives in poverty, yet there are people with BILLIONS of dollars. Where is the logic from this people? Why are there people starving in this country? Don't blame their work ethic, that is the ignorant answer. The answer is, because the current government forces them to live like that. If we just took the logical approach to running a country, the life of the majority of people would be better.

I also find it funny how people are only taxed up to $200,000 also, when some people have billions, it amazes me... whew

seeric 03-23-2005 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by websiex
Going to sum up the United States' citizens in one quote, from a Hollywood movie.



Some people will never leave the county from which they are born, let alone the state. They can't because they are too poor. 12% of the United States population lives in poverty, yet there are people with BILLIONS of dollars. Where is the logic from this people? Why are there people starving in this country? Don't blame their work ethic, that is the ignorant answer. The answer is, because the current government forces them to live like that. If we just took the logical approach to running a country, the life of the majority of people would be better.

I also find it funny how people are only taxed up to $200,000 also, when some people have billions, it amazes me... whew
well, its like that in other countries too. i think its cute how they keep the wool over the eyes. thanks god for the first ammendment where we can keep fucking with them about being the way they are.

SuckOnThis 03-23-2005 07:34 PM
This whole Social Security bullshit is just one big scare tactic. Not hard to figure out the government knows using fear is the best way to get their way these days. Health care is a much bigger problem that needs immediate attention yet you don't hear a damn thing about it. Why? Because its not profitable to change it, and people are making huge amounts of money at our expense. It is profitable for the heads of corporations and stockholders to change social security. If you think for one minute there won't be any money for people now in their 30's you're sadly mistaken. For one thing the biggest percentage of voters are people over 65, these are the people the politicians cater to more so than any other group, the money will come from somewhere. For another, if they stopped paying Social Security you would have 25% of the population either homeless or on the verge of being homeless, all elderly people. Not going to happen.

L0rdJuni0r 03-23-2005 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
we don't take our futures into our own hands.

today, the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION announced that in the year 2041, the entire SS system bank account will be $0. Medicare announced that in the year 2020, their accounts will be bankrupted.

thanks alot US GOV.

so, since smart kids like me are taking matters into our own hands does that mean that i get back the money taken unwillingly from every paycheck since i was 16, or can i just infinitely consider it a felony theft on the government's part. considering that i am mostly american indian, and this country was stolen from my people anyhow, i'm kinda pissed off about this. not only is the entire history of this country built on a lie that is taught to our kids in schools every year, now they are just gonna blatantly steal money from its citizens?

is george bush out of his fucking mind? and what is his cure for this? he says for everyone to go and start their own retirement account. wow, genius. i'm glad that your dad's hard earned money didn't go to waste on all that schooling to learn you to solve our problems with solutions like that.

What it means to you.

If you are a 38 year old american, you will receive 0 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 37 year old american, you will receive 1 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 36 year old american, you will receive 2 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 35 year old american, you will receive 3 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 34 year old american, you will receive 4 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 33 year old american, you will receive 5 years of SS benefits.
If you are a 32 year old american, you will receive 6 years of SS benefits.

and so on......

and as far as medicare goes. forget about it if you are over 20 years old.

FUCK THIS! i am thankful that i have already started taking steps to take my hard earned cashola out the hands of our bumbling administration.

follow or be left to wrinkle and rot on the streets while your administrators continue to buy hookers and all expense paid trips to exotic islands with your hard earned retirement money.

:mad:

i would guess its because of Bush :disgust

seeric 03-23-2005 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis
This whole Social Security bullshit is just one big scare tactic. Not hard to figure out the government knows using fear is the best way to get their way these days. Health care is a much bigger problem that needs immediate attention yet you don't hear a damn thing about it. Why? Because its not profitable to change it, and people are making huge amounts of money at our expense. It is profitable for the heads of corporations and stockholders to change social security. If you think for one minute there won't be any money for people now in their 30's you're sadly mistaken. For one thing the biggest percentage of voters are people over 65, these are the people the politicians cater to more so than any other group, the money will come from somewhere. For another, if they stopped paying Social Security you would have 25% of the population either homeless or on the verge of being homeless, all elderly people. Not going to happen.
SSA is a big deal because they are trying to fucking trick us. they are making all this shit up and backing it by so called "flaws in the SSA system" that msut be fixed, when they are the ones who created the flaws and took the money out of it for other shit. you are also correct, our health care system is the worst managed and most costly for the average person than any other country. only in the U.S. will it cost you 20,000 dollars for a broken leg in the right situation. there of course will be money for people in there 30's, but they probably wont be getting it. the reason they are coming forward now is so when it gets to that poiint we are so numb from hearing it that we will jsut lay down and take it. we will ahve heard it so many times that no one will be shocked to find out the money is gone. its kind alike when you put a frog in a pot and turn the heat on gradually, he won't even know he is boiling or dead until it is too late. he doesn't feel the heat until his heart explodes. same concept. or the gas thing is the same. they gradually raise the price so you just keep accepting it. not more than a year and a half ago i was buying gas for 1.09 a gallon. now, in california its fucking 3.00 a gallon. they prepare you to accept their failure. look how the war has become desensitized and there are more troops dying now than were during the peak of the battle.

SuckOnThis 03-23-2005 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
the reason they are coming forward now is so when it gets to that poiint we are so numb from hearing it that we will jsut lay down and take it. we will ahve heard it so many times that no one will be shocked to find out the money is gone. its kind alike when you put a frog in a pot and turn the heat on gradually, he won't even know he is boiling or dead until it is too late. he doesn't feel the heat until his heart explodes. same concept. or the gas thing is the same. they gradually raise the price so you just keep accepting it. not more than a year and a half ago i was buying gas for 1.09 a gallon. now, in california its fucking 3.00 a gallon. they prepare you to accept their failure. look how the war has become desensitized and there are more troops dying now than were during the peak of the battle.
That is a damn good point. For some reason people do just lay down and take it when they are getting fucked. I think the powers that be have come to realize people are basically dumb fucks and with enough propaganda can pretty much get away with anything. Pretty sad.

fl_prn_str 03-23-2005 07:56 PM
Like I said before it is a diversionary tactic used to we won?t focus on American lives being killed every day........in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The system was broken way before Bush and Clinton.....but we have to have something to talk about.....the federal govnt will NEVER be insolvent.....they just keep on borrowing.....

seeric 03-23-2005 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis
.............. people are basically dumb fucks and with enough propaganda can pretty much get away with anything. Pretty sad.

exactly. people have no way really to fight it, so they pretend its not there hoping it will go away. kinda like a hypchondriac. they aren't really sick, but they keep telling themselves so much that they are sick, that they become sick. sample principle. they keep telling us crap and eventually it becomes truth in your head. sad but true.


flprnstr you have valid concise opinions on this as well. appreciated.

Schwick 03-24-2005 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nydahl
US is fucked up anyway - my bet is that you kill yourself

Not without taking you with us my anglo friend.


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