How Much To Live Good In Netherlands? Switzerland? - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 03-22-2005, 01:38 AM

Just asking what a good monthly salary for a guy to chill out in the old countries? I'm talking single guy to eat good, movies, maybe even drive or motorcycle regularly?

After taxes I mean. What do taxes there get you? I heard and read you do get your money's worth.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 01:40 AM

Switzerland is amazingly beautiful, but it's possibly the most expensive country in the world.

Roald · 03-22-2005, 01:47 AM

If you are able to keep 4k (euros = about $5500) after tax you can have a decent living in the netherlands. Average income is about 1500 euros monthly.

Holly · 03-22-2005, 01:51 AM

I've been to Lucerne and it was gorgeous. I seriously think I could live there, if the cold didn't kill me.

Trax · 03-22-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Switzerland is amazingly beautiful, but it's possibly the most expensive country in the world.

that is not true.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

that is not true.

I said it is possibly the most expensive country. I don't really know. Scandinavian countries could be slightly more expensive because anytime I'm there I pay crazy prices for some things.

Trax · 03-22-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

I said it is possibly the most expensive country. I don't really know. Scandinavian countries could be slightly more expensive because anytime I'm there I pay crazy prices for some things.

yep.. I know you said possibly.. which is why I told you how it really is.
If you ever lived in monaco for a few months you really know what expensive is lol
believe me... its insane

swiss prices are pretty normal compared to the rest of western europe (germany, austria, netherlands, ...)

reynold · 03-22-2005, 02:07 AM

Why would you live there?

Greg Jacobson · 03-22-2005, 02:09 AM

Summer time is amazing. Gets too cold in the winter.

DutchTeenCash · 03-22-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe

If you are able to keep 4k (euros = about $5500) after tax you can have a decent living in the netherlands. Average income is about 1500 euros monthly.

meaning youll earn over $10k before taxes

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

yep.. I know you said possibly.. which is why I told you how it really is.
If you ever lived in monaco for a few months you really know what expensive is lol
believe me... its insane

swiss prices are pretty normal compared to the rest of western europe (germany, austria, netherlands, ...)

I've only visited Monaco, I haven't lived there.

I have lived in London, Tokyo, and Hong Kong though

Switzerland has two cities in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world

Trax · 03-22-2005, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

I've only visited Monaco, I haven't lived there.

I have lived in London, Tokyo, and Hong Kong though

Switzerland has two cities in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world

a friend of mine told me crazy things about monaco, like paying 5 bucks for an egg lol
london city has sick prices are well... and I mean SICK

as far as the two cities in the top 10 goes...
yep thats easily possible hehe but not throughout the whole country.
depends where you wanna live

Steen2 · 03-22-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Switzerland is amazingly beautiful, but it's possibly the most expensive country in the world.

Haiti is twice as expensive as New York City.

Food for thought.

PS: Haiti's the poorest country in N. America.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

Haiti is twice as expensive as New York City.

Where did you hear that?

Steen2 · 03-22-2005, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

a friend of mine told me crazy things about monaco, like paying 5 bucks for an egg lol

Funny thing is, so many N. American's take our great prices for granted.
Move to EU for a year

DutchTeenCash · 03-22-2005, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

Funny thing is, so many N. American's take our great prices for granted.
Move to EU for a year

its worse, just a croissant at a local bakery will set you back $15, try Venice $25 for a coffee nice too

Greg B · 03-22-2005, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

its worse, just a croissant at a local bakery will set you back $15, try Venice $25 for a coffee nice too

Naaah!!!! No fucking way someone would charge $15 for a damned croissant!

If somebody even attempted to charge me that much I would whup their ass right on the spot.

I would be known as the "Croissant Ass Whuppin' Tourist"

$25 for coffee? Are you mad???? Did El Exijente or Juan Valdez pick them coffee beans themselves? I would run for president of the U.S., win and then blow up Colombia if someone charged me $25 for a cup of coffee...

I just need a place to chill out and get my health together and get better at my arts. Netherlands, Switzerland, seem like nice quiet places with cute chicks and no bs.

painintheass · 03-22-2005, 02:38 AM

I'm only guess but I suppose it is like any country and city in the world. Somethings you are going to find are very cheap and others are costly.

In Paris I can get 2 litre bottles of pop for 0.23 euro from the Championette
But to purchase a loaf of standard North American style sliced bread I could be paying as much as 2.50 euro.

Same thing with Cell phones. I purchased a pay-as-you-go cell phone. I will pay a small fortune to call other people. But it is free for anyone to phone me. So I don't phone anyone and I don't charge up any credits on it and as such I have a free cell phone to use.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 02:41 AM

If you only speak english, then living in the Netherlands would be the easier choice. You would have a little more challenge in Switzerland where not as many people are fluent in english.

But you might enjoy living in a country that doesn't speak as much english?

Roald · 03-22-2005, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

meaning youll earn over $10k before taxes

haha don't you hate it ;)))

Trax · 03-22-2005, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

If you only speak english, then living in the Netherlands would be the easier choice. You would have a little more challenge in Switzerland where not as many people are fluent in english.

But you might enjoy living in a country that doesn't speak as much english?

you won't have a problem as an english speaking person in most european countries even though I have to agree that living in the netherlands or GB will be the easiest places.
unless you are talking to a 74yo bakery women you will not have any language problems in switzerland, germany or austria either.
If Phil Collins and co survive in switzerland you can, too.

ssp · 03-22-2005, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

you won't have a problem as an english speaking person in most european countries even though I have to agree that living in the netherlands or GB will be the easiest places.
unless you are talking to a 74yo bakery women you will not have any language problems in switzerland, germany or austria either.
If Phil Collins and co survive in switzerland you can, too.

I'm sorry but I think you might have missed the fact that very few people in German speaking countries actually speak English. Just like in France, English won't get you very far.

If you're planning to move to Switzerland, speaking German IS a must.

Morgan · 03-22-2005, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Switzerland is amazingly beautiful, but it's possibly the most expensive country in the world.

i just got home from Gstaad, its fucking expensive as fuck..

my homie has two chalet's in town there, worth 20-25 million per property. its insane.

PHPdude · 03-22-2005, 03:44 AM

not to mention that their government is really liberal yet responsible in handling the welfare of their citizens or so i heard

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ganjasaurus

i just got home from Gstaad, its fucking expensive as fuck..

my homie has two chalet's in town there, worth 20-25 million per property. its insane.

Got pics?

Trax · 03-22-2005, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ssp

I'm sorry but I think you might have missed the fact that very few people in German speaking countries actually speak English. Just like in France, English won't get you very far.

If you're planning to move to Switzerland, speaking German IS a must.

don't think so... I know quite a few americans who have almost zero problems in switzerland

Roald · 03-22-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

don't think so... I know quite a few americans who have almost zero problems in switzerland

It depends ofcourse, if you are in any major city you should be able to get around without knowing any german at all. It woudl be more of a problem in the smaller cities.

jamesonxx · 03-22-2005, 03:53 AM

Living in Europe can be expensive.

ssp · 03-22-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

don't think so... I know quite a few americans who have almost zero problems in switzerland

Have you ever been there? Your American friends will probably be able to order a burger at McDonalds, or go to a bank and withdraw money. But that's about it. The Swiss are very stubborn people and they don't even speak what is called "Hoch Deutsch" (High German - common German).

AlexShark · 03-22-2005, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Naaah!!!! No fucking way someone would charge $15 for a damned croissant!
$25 for coffee? Are you mad???? Did El Exijente or Juan Valdez pick them coffee beans themselves? I would run for president of the U.S., win and then blow up Colombia if someone charged me $25 for a cup of coffee...

http://www.cipriani.com/cipriani/Locs/ven.htm

1 coffe should be around 25 Euros now.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesonxx

Living in Europe can be expensive.

Thanks Captain Obvious!!!

tradermcduck · 03-22-2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

you won't have a problem as an english speaking person in most european countries even though I have to agree that living in the netherlands or GB will be the easiest places.
unless you are talking to a 74yo bakery women you will not have any language problems in switzerland, germany or austria either.
If Phil Collins and co survive in switzerland you can, too.

Absolutely true ... everyone under the age of 60 speaks english in Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

From my own experience I would say London and Switzerland are really expensive. You will need at least 4000 Euro after taxes to make a good living there.

Monaco is even more expensive

But there are many places on the French and Italian Riveria that are not that expensive and it is really fucking beautiful here!!!

Trax · 03-22-2005, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ssp

Have you ever been there? Your American friends will probably be able to order a burger at McDonalds, or go to a bank and withdraw money. But that's about it. The Swiss are very stubborn people and they don't even speak what is called "Hoch Deutsch" (High German - common German).

I am in switzerland right now till the end of the week

ssp · 03-22-2005, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

I am in switzerland right now till the end of the week

Have fun in the snow.

eyecandyphoto · 03-22-2005, 04:09 AM

I am sitting on Neudorf Str in Zurich right now at a middle of the road cafe drinking a 6$ bottle of water with a 6$ coffee eating a 22$ pasta, accross from my 200$ hotel. Least i found free wifi

Na think i like Prague better

MaxC

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Tipsy · 03-22-2005, 04:13 AM

Funny thread with a HUGE amount of BS floating around

For what it's worth unless you're rich or have close relatives there probably best to forget Switzerland anyway. Unless they changed recently the entry requirements to live there aren't exactly low.

As for the debate on prices most of it only applies to property. Actual cost of living is similar across most of Europe if you ignore the property prices. Of course you'll pay an arm and leg for an apartment or house living in the bigger cities. You'll also find an overpriced coffee being sold somewhere in most cities if you're daft enough to want to pay it. Most people have the sense to pop into a normal coffee house and get one for a couple of bucks.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

Funny thread with a HUGE amount of BS floating around

For what it's worth unless you're rich or have close relatives there probably best to forget Switzerland anyway. Unless they changed recently the entry requirements to live there aren't exactly low.

As for the debate on prices most of it only applies to property. Actual cost of living is similar across most of Europe if you ignore the property prices. Of course you'll pay an arm and leg for an apartment or house living in the bigger cities. You'll also find an overpriced coffee being sold somewhere in most cities if you're daft enough to want to pay it. Most people have the sense to pop into a normal coffee house and get one for a couple of bucks.

In my experience, property (renting or buying) accounts for a large % of people's cost of living, so you can't really discount that issue so easily.

mcmc · 03-22-2005, 04:34 AM

Well, ok ...
Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries world-wide. But one with the lowest tax rates, too. So if you earn $5k - $6k a month before taxes, you can live here without any problem.

Sure there are places in Zurich where you pay like $8 for a cup of coffee. But hey, noone told you to go there ... right? You can easily get a coffee for $4 (still expensive compared to other countries, i know.)

Living quality is really good in Switzerland. Thats why so many foreign star come here. And since the first of Jan. getting a living and work permission here is easier than it used to be. The gov just wants to make sure that you can live from your own income.

Regarding language: Almost everyone in Switzerland speaks English. So you wont have any problems with that.

(only one thing ... the burger prices are as high as nowhere in the world. $5.4 for a big mac is quite huge

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DutchTeenCash · 03-22-2005, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

$25 for coffee? Are you mad???? Did El Exijente or Juan Valdez pick them coffee beans themselves? I would run for president of the U.S., win and then blow up Colombia if someone charged me $25 for a cup of coffee...

yup, go to Venice the big square sit down order an espresso and cough up $25... well thats including the $5 you pay on the St Marco square for the music you won't like lol

sjoerdv · 03-22-2005, 05:05 AM

For a US citizens it's easy to get a permit in The Netherlands when he/she is self-employed. I guess you need at least 2000 euro after taxes to have a ok life. It depends a bit on where you stay. Amsterdam is more expensive than smaller villages to rent an apartment for example.

BRISK · 03-22-2005, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sjoerdv

For a US citizens it's easy to get a permit in The Netherlands when he/she is self-employed

I have never once encountered a single country where dealing with immigration is something I would describe as "easy"

Video-Post · 03-22-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

meaning youll earn over $10k before taxes

Exactly

Taxes are really high....

Greg B · 03-22-2005, 07:43 AM

Well I've got enough friends and especially relatives living in those countries to back me up if need be, but how do they treat artists in those countries?

Every time I would have a book published I would inevitably get letters from both countries inviting me to visit or establish a business there. I couldn't figure it out. Somehow they just had to ask me. They would ignore the other guys at the companies but sure enough they'd find me.

It was like they were competing with one another.

nico-t · 03-22-2005, 08:05 AM

well this weekend i was in our nice capital amsterdam and holy shit i never realised prices could be so much different there then the east of holland where i live... 2 bacardi cokes for 14 euro!!?? in some normal lame ass fucking bar! Thats 35 old fahioned guilders... its fucking insane!

tradermcduck · 03-22-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Video-Post

Exactly

Taxes are really high....

... especially if one has a site with golden traffic

Theo · 03-22-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Naaah!!!! No fucking way someone would charge $15 for a damned croissant!

If somebody even attempted to charge me that much I would whup their ass right on the spot.

I would be known as the "Croissant Ass Whuppin' Tourist"

$25 for coffee? Are you mad???? Did El Exijente or Juan Valdez pick them coffee beans themselves? I would run for president of the U.S., win and then blow up Colombia if someone charged me $25 for a cup of coffee...

I just need a place to chill out and get my health together and get better at my arts. Netherlands, Switzerland, seem like nice quiet places with cute chicks and no bs.

come in cyprus, we'll go jogging in the morning 50ft from the sea side, we'll hit the gyms, pools and night clubs.

my daily schedule now

Tipsy · 03-22-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

In my experience, property (renting or buying) accounts for a large % of people's cost of living, so you can't really discount that issue so easily.

I agree I was simply making a point about the stupid and far from representative prices people were posting. Also with property people are talking about the BIG cities. Of course property is far too expensive there as it is in even the US bigger cities/desirable areas.

Rick Latona · 03-22-2005, 08:57 AM

Expensive. You'll also have a hard time getting a visa to stay in Switzerland. There are a ton of people that want to live there and the Swiss don't want any of them there.

kmanrox · 03-22-2005, 09:06 AM

jesus... come to Bangkok and you could conceivably live off of $500 a month.... If you could swing 1000-1500 you'd be sittin pretty.... but like most third world places, if you want to ball and pay 3-9k for rent per month, not a problem either...

03-22-2005, 01:38 AM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	How Much To Live Good In Netherlands? Switzerland? Just asking what a good monthly salary for a guy to chill out in the old countries? I'm talking single guy to eat good, movies, maybe even drive or motorcycle regularly? After taxes I mean. What do taxes there get you? I heard and read you do get your money's worth.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	If you only speak english, then living in the Netherlands would be the easier choice. You would have a little more challenge in Switzerland where not as many people are fluent in english. But you might enjoy living in a country that doesn't speak as much english? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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painintheass So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 838	I'm only guess but I suppose it is like any country and city in the world. Somethings you are going to find are very cheap and others are costly. In Paris I can get 2 litre bottles of pop for 0.23 euro from the Championette But to purchase a loaf of standard North American style sliced bread I could be paying as much as 2.50 euro. Same thing with Cell phones. I purchased a pay-as-you-go cell phone. I will pay a small fortune to call other people. But it is free for anyone to phone me. So I don't phone anyone and I don't charge up any credits on it and as such I have a free cell phone to use.

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eyecandyphoto Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16	In Zurich Now I am sitting on Neudorf Str in Zurich right now at a middle of the road cafe drinking a 6$ bottle of water with a 6$ coffee eating a 22$ pasta, accross from my 200$ hotel. Least i found free wifi Na think i like Prague better MaxC http://www.maxcandy.com/Portfolio/

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Funny thread with a HUGE amount of BS floating around For what it's worth unless you're rich or have close relatives there probably best to forget Switzerland anyway. Unless they changed recently the entry requirements to live there aren't exactly low. As for the debate on prices most of it only applies to property. Actual cost of living is similar across most of Europe if you ignore the property prices. Of course you'll pay an arm and leg for an apartment or house living in the bigger cities. You'll also find an overpriced coffee being sold somewhere in most cities if you're daft enough to want to pay it. Most people have the sense to pop into a normal coffee house and get one for a couple of bucks. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

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mcmc Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,705	Well, ok ... Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries world-wide. But one with the lowest tax rates, too. So if you earn $5k - $6k a month before taxes, you can live here without any problem. Sure there are places in Zurich where you pay like $8 for a cup of coffee. But hey, noone told you to go there ... right? You can easily get a coffee for $4 (still expensive compared to other countries, i know.) Living quality is really good in Switzerland. Thats why so many foreign star come here. And since the first of Jan. getting a living and work permission here is easier than it used to be. The gov just wants to make sure that you can live from your own income. Regarding language: Almost everyone in Switzerland speaks English. So you wont have any problems with that. (only one thing ... the burger prices are as high as nowhere in the world. $5.4 for a big mac is quite huge ) __________________ http://www.AdultDVDdb.com Conversion: 1:149 (so far this year with more than 650 000 unique hits) @ http://www.pimproll.com Last edited by mcmc; 03-22-2005 at 04:35 AM..

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sjoerdv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South America Posts: 350	For a US citizens it's easy to get a permit in The Netherlands when he/she is self-employed. I guess you need at least 2000 euro after taxes to have a ok life. It depends a bit on where you stay. Amsterdam is more expensive than smaller villages to rent an apartment for example.

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Well I've got enough friends and especially relatives living in those countries to back me up if need be, but how do they treat artists in those countries? Every time I would have a book published I would inevitably get letters from both countries inviting me to visit or establish a business there. I couldn't figure it out. Somehow they just had to ask me. They would ignore the other guys at the companies but sure enough they'd find me. It was like they were competing with one another.

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	well this weekend i was in our nice capital amsterdam and holy shit i never realised prices could be so much different there then the east of holland where i live... 2 bacardi cokes for 14 euro!!?? in some normal lame ass fucking bar! Thats 35 old fahioned guilders... its fucking insane!

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kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	jesus... come to Bangkok and you could conceivably live off of $500 a month.... If you could swing 1000-1500 you'd be sittin pretty.... but like most third world places, if you want to ball and pay 3-9k for rent per month, not a problem either... __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor