Relish XXX

In the UK we have a free health service, a free education service, fuck all crime and murders. Canada has the same.

For the price of a 2 bedroom flat in London you get a mansion in Vancouver or Montreal. My mates flat is going to be sold for $2.5m he will live large in Canada.

You look at people on this board like Quiet and Sleazy Dream. They can laugh at you not because they earn big cash (they earn monkey feed in my opinion) but because they live in a land that is truely beautifull. They have all the advantages that Americans do and the British.

Why do Americans take the piss out of Canadians? I can tell you why, because Canada is a proud country that doesnt have to apologise for wars or retarded leaders.

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They do have to apologise for a few entertainers though, seriously.

split_joel

lol america hates canada because everyone hates us and no one hates you but us, so we got to start somewhere

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psyko514

hahaha... true, but not as many as the US does.

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Buddy Wayne?

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Kevsh

True, William Shatner isn't our proudest achievement.

webgurl

hey kid , 2.5 mill is alot of dough but depends how your lifestyle is , it may not stretch as far as you think in vancouver , BC .

Stacey_JoinRightNow

canada is indeed very peaceful country...

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xclusive

Canada is great been up there a few times for red sox blue jays games. and bruins and canadians games hopefully i'll be there for WA monreal in may

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rollinOn20s

Exactly, Vancouver is a very expensive place to live!

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Do you know how much they actually make?
WG

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CybermedAndy

Neither is that bellowing hag Celine Dion

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sonofsam

what do you mean? i love when she pukes into my ears with her music

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Jace

i heard the canadian health care system is fucked up though, is that true?

an example...with my insurance here in the US, i pay $99 a month...when I go to the doctor I am seen within 15 minutes without an appointment, I get meds prescribed and don't ever pay more than $25 for anything...and if I need surgery, I make an appointment that day for sometime the next week if it is not an emergency, and I go straight to the hospital and into a gown if it is important

i am just curious, cause I have heard horror stories about canadian health care

Dildozer

Considering all the fucking taxes we pay i'd rather pay $99 a month for that kinda treatment. Hell i'd pay double, our health care system needs a serious upgrade. Stupid fucking socialist Quebec fucks.

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BRISK

Most of the "horror stories" about the Canadian medical system I've heard revolve around elective surgery. Meaning surgery that isn't life threatening like knee surgery or something. I've heard there are longer waiting times for stuff like that because life threatening stuff gets priority.

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BRISK

No it isn't

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/pop...ing/popup.html

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Sly

I've heard both good and bad. Same as here.

I will say though that I have experienced health care both on the private level and a more socialistic level. The private level is much, much better. If something goes wrong, you switch providers and take your business elsewhere. What happens if the socialistic system fails?

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They do? Dood, I had Will Smith singing in my ear last night, it's going to take me a month to recover ;)

Joe Citizen

Australia has both the public system and private system. If you want extras you get private insurance.

I'm assuming Canadian citizens have a similar choice?

Antonio

You haven't seen Quiet's stats, have you? Doing more than a million turnover a month is nothing to you? Ok, playa....

WiredGuy

I think this recent news article is pretty self-explanatory:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3092621

Best quote of all: WG

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ytcracker

ill visit canada but i wont live there

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wow...scary

painintheass

I'm a Quebecois and that means I'm not english and I'm not french. But I am Canadienne!

In the past 5 years there has been a change in Canadien perspective toward americans. More and more young Canadiens and Canadians are seeing the americans in the same light the rest of the world does.

So fuck it, let the americans hate us. I hope to god they close more boarders to our beef, lumber and piss all over the spirit of the Free-trade agreement. Their behavour is what will safe guard our nation from becoming the Mexico north.. A place where they can import cheap intellectual labour, natural resouces and slowly turn us into a country of warehouses.

One day a group of new young leaders will come into office and their motto will not be "STRENGTHEN TIES WITH THE AMERICANS." and see that their dollar is quickly becoming shit compared to the euro... And that any fat-ass-big-mouth American politician seeking election can fuck us over and we are powerless to do shit about it.

Hopefully the day will come when talks of a commonwealth economic union are more than just rumours. Hell if you ask me we should petition to join the E.U. Afterall, we have 2 ties and that is both the French and English connection and we never resorted to war to gain our independance.

Fuck america... they only eat 50% of everything in the world, dump garbage and shit everywhere, produce war-loving neo conservative politicians and idiots that think it's acceptable to handcuff 5 year old children.

Wiggles

amen brother, Canada kicks ass!

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SinisterStudios

I heard George W Bush wanted to Run Canada after his presidency is over here, so he can ruin that country too!!! I love Canada, but its too FUCKIN COLD up there for me.

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Won't happen...Our education system taught us how to count. And we don't require the use of Jelly Beans to aid us.

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pussyluver

Canada doesn't have much of a Military. They don't need one beause of the US. So the US tax payer has that one covered. Your welcome.

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Canadians Face Long Waits for Health Care

Sat Mar 19,12:40 PM ET

By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer

TORONTO - A letter from the Moncton Hospital to a New Brunswick heart patient in need of an electrocardiogram said the appointment would be in three months. It added: "If the person named on this computer-generated letter is deceased, please accept our sincere apologies."



The patient wasn't dead, according to the doctor who showed the letter to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. But there are many Canadians who claim the long wait for the test and the frigid formality of the letter are indicative of a health system badly in need of emergency care.

Americans who flock to Canada for cheap flu shots often come away impressed at the free and first-class medical care available to Canadians, rich or poor. But tell that to hospital administrators constantly having to cut staff for lack of funds, or to the mother whose teenager was advised she would have to wait up to three years for surgery to repair a torn knee ligament.

"It's like somebody's telling you that you can buy this car, and you've paid for the car, but you can't have it right now," said Jane Pelton. Rather than leave daughter Emily in pain and a knee brace, the Ottawa family opted to pay $3,300 for arthroscopic surgery at a private clinic in Vancouver, with no help from the government.

"Every day we're paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it's just not there," said Pelton.

The average Canadian family pays about 48 percent of its income in taxes each year, partly to fund the health care system. Rates vary from province to province, but Ontario, the most populous, spends roughly 40 percent of every tax dollar on health care, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

The system is going broke, says the federation, which campaigns for tax reform and private enterprise in health care.

It calculates that at present rates, Ontario will be spending 85 percent of its budget on health care by 2035. "We can't afford a state monopoly on health care anymore," says Tasha Kheiriddin, Ontario director of the federation. "We have to examine private alternatives as well."

The federal government and virtually every province acknowledge there's a crisis: a lack of physicians and nurses, state-of-the-art equipment and funding. In Ontario, more than 10,000 nurses and hospital workers are facing layoffs over the next two years unless the provincial government boosts funding, says the Ontario Hospital Association, which represents health care providers in the province.

In 1984 Parliament passed the Canada Health Act, which affirmed the federal government's commitment to provide mostly free health care to all, including the 200,000 immigrants arriving each year. The system is called Medicare (no relation to Medicare in the United States).

Despite the financial burden, Canadians value their Medicare as a marker of egalitarianism and independent identity that sets their country apart from the United States, where some 45 million Americans lack health insurance.

Raisa Deber, a professor of health policy at the University of Toronto, believes Canada's system is one of the world's fairest.

"Canadians are very proud of the fact that if they need care, they will get care," she said. Of the United States, she said: "I don't understand how they got to this worship of markets, to the extent that they're perfectly happy that some people don't get the health care that they need."

Canada does not have fully nationalized health care; its doctors are in private practice and send their bills to the government for reimbursement.

"That doctor doesn't have to worry about how you're going to pay the bill," said Deber. "He knows that his bill will be paid, so there's absolutely nothing to stop any doctor from treating anyone."

Deber acknowledges problems in the system, but believes most Canadians get the care they need. She said the federal government should attach more strings to its annual lump-sum allocations to the provinces so that tax dollars are better spent on preventive care and improvements in working conditions for health-care professionals.

In Alberta, a conservative province where pressure for private clinics and insurance is strong, a nonprofit organization called Friends of Medicare has sprung to the system's defense. It points up the inequities in U.S. health care and calls the Canada's "the most moral and the most cost-effective health care system there is in the world." "Is your sick grandchild more deserving of help than your neighbor's grandchild?" It asks.



Yes, says Dr. Brian Day, if that grandchild needs urgent care and can't get it at a government-funded hospital.

Day, an English-born arthroscopic surgeon, founded Cambie Surgery Center in Vancouver, British Columbia ? another province where private surgeries are making inroads. He is also former president of the Arthroscopy Association of North America in Orlando, Fla.

He says he got so frustrated at the long delays to book surgeries at the public hospitals in Vancouver that he built his own private clinic. A leading advocate for reform, he testified last June before the Supreme Court in a landmark appeal against a Quebec ruling upholding limits on private care and insurance.

George Zeliotis told the court he suffered pain and became addicted to painkillers during a yearlong wait for hip replacement surgery, and should have been allowed to pay for faster service. His physician, Dr. Jacques Chaoulli, said his patient's constitutional rights were violated because Quebec couldn't provide the care he needed, but didn't offer him the option of getting it privately.

A ruling on the case is expected any time.

If Zeliotis had been from the United States, China or neighboring Ontario_ anywhere, in fact, except Quebec ? he could have bought treatment in a private Quebec clinic. That's one way the system discourages the spread of private medicine ? by limiting it to nonresidents. But it can have curious results, says Day.

He tells of a patient who was informed by Ontario officials that since Ontario couldn't help him, they would spend $35,000 to send him to the United States for surgery.


Canadians can buy insurance for dental and eye care, physical and chiropractic therapy, long-term nursing and prescriptions, among other services. But according to experts on both sides of the debate, Canada and North Korea are the only countries with laws banning the purchase of insurance for hospitalization or surgery.

Meanwhile, the average wait for surgical or specialist treatment is nearly 18 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 1993, according to the Fraser Institute, a right-wing public policy think tank in Vancouver. A Fraser study last year said the average wait for an orthopedic surgeon was more than nine months.


Another watershed lawsuit was filed last year against 12 Quebec hospitals on behalf of 10,000 breast-cancer patients in Quebec who had to wait more than eight weeks for radiation therapy during a period dating to October 1997.

One woman went to Turkey for treatment. Another, Johanne Lavoie, was among several sent to the United States. Diagnosed with invasive breast cancer in 1999, she traveled every week with her 5-year-old son to Vermont, a four-hour bus ride.

"It was an inhuman thing to live through," Lavoie told Toronto's Globe and Mail.

"This is the first time someone has decided to attack the source of problems ? the waiting list," said Montreal attorney Michel Savonitto, who is representing the cancer victims. "We're lucky to have the system we do in Canada," he told the court. "But if we want to supply proper care and commit to doing it, then we can't do it halfway."

An estimated 4 million of Canada's 33 million people don't have family physicians and more than 1 million are on waiting lists for treatment, according to the Canadian Medical Association. Meanwhile, some 200 physicians head to the United States each year, attracted by lower taxes and better working conditions. Canada has 2.1 physicians per 1,000 people, while Belgium has 3.9, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.




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Manowar

have to inflate your ego ?

slapass

Do americans hate canada? I live pretty close to canada, and I never even think about it.

Phoenix

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FunForOne

I didn't think Americans hate Canada either. Thats news to me. Alot of people like to travel up there.

Dusen

Don't even get me started about public health care here in Canada.

They tried getting Public Auto insurance going around here and people went batshit trying to fight it. But health care seems to be some sort of sacred cow in this country - who knows why. It's a total waste of money because nobody is truly accountable for spending - run out of money? Cut beds and whine looking for more - not look at the source of the wastage.

I fully welcome the privatization of health care and hope it comes sooner than later.

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FunForOne

Yea, bureacracy is extremely innefficient.

We have our share of bureacracy in the U.S., just not to the point where our health care system cant profit.

garce

I can give you three that happened within the last year involving close members of family.

Last June, my uncle went for surgery for operable lung cancer. He was 60. They removed the tumour and, while still in hospital, he was recovering nicely and in good spirits. After a few days of mostly lying in bed, he caught pneumonia. They put a shunt in to drain the fluid from his lungs. They put the shunt in wrong. He died.

In February, my grandmother fell and broke her hip. She was sitting in a hospitial in Campbellfod for a week, strung out on Morphine, while her doctor drove from city to city looking for a bed in a hospital where this woman could be operated on. She's ok now, but if you're old here and not a politician, you're expendable, it seems.

Recently my mother was complaining of a shortness of breath. It got to the point where she couldn't breathe at all ans she was starting to panic. An ambulance came, they looked her over at Scarborough general and sent her home. A few hours later she collapsed, not being able to draw breath. again she was rushed to the hospital, where they finally got it right, She's doing much better now, but if we weren't here she would have died on her floor.

Health care gets worse here by the year.

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You are a fucking idiot!

FunForOne

A lot of people point out that in the United States 40 million people dont have health insurance.
For political reasons, they have been falsely told that these people dont get healtcare.

Thats not the case at all. Every citizen in the U.S. can get healthcare with or without health insurance. The uninsured people get better healthcare than what you described.

Another political misrepresntation is that all of the uninsured people in the U.S. are looking for health insurance. A lot of them would not buy it at very affordable prices. They just dont have the correct priorities.

I know people that pay $1,500 a month house note, two car notes of $400+ every month and a few hunder dollar a month food/beer/ party budget. Then they say they cant afford health insurance.

Thats not really true.

Nicky

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My friend's wife went in for a simple operation, can't remember what. Anyway, during the operation they hit an organ (liver or kidney, again don't remember which) and didn't notice, and sewed her up. So she is lying in the hospital bed recovering when she starts to crash and turn blue. The doctors didn't know what was wrong so they literally had to cut half her body open to find the problem. She spent months recovering from that. My friend wanted to sue the hospital but of course there was nothing he could do.

psyko514

Canada doesn't much of a military because we don't need much of a military.

We don't have entire countries and religions and races hating on us.

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painintheass

We can't afford a military.

Because there is only apx 30 million of us and we get stuck with the bill for cleaning up the mess and feeding everyone after you march into some country and blown the shit out of it.

And our military policy has always been based on "Not being an asshole to everyone and anyone" so they don't want to blow us up.

sexyclicks

My best friend works for a British company remotely from Montreal
So she gets a pretty nice London salary to spend here

sherie

Sorry for Celine - I am truely very very sorry!

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Spunky

Look at our population..New York has more people then Canada

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Let an objective party decide who has the best overall quality of life including health care considerations:


Vancouver No. 2 in world
Ties with Vienna in quality-of-life survey of 215 major world cities

Drew Hasselback
Financial Post
Monday, March 14, 2005

Vancouver's livability puts it in the top rank of North American cities; four other Canadian cities make it into the top 10.

For the third year in a row, Vancouver has been ranked as the city with the second-best quality of life in the world.

According to a survey by Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Vancouver ties Vienna for second place, behind top ranked Geneva and Zurich.

The annual survey grades 215 cities based on 39 criteria, including safety, public services, schools, climate and recreation.

Mercer prepares the survey for governments, companies and organizations looking to place employees on international assignments.

Vancouver is the top-ranked North American city, but the four other Canadian cities included in the survey, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal and Calgary, also made the top 10.

Vancouver is no stranger to the top ranks of the survey. It placed second both last year and in 2003, third in 2002, and ranked first in 2001 and 2000.

The survey uses New York City as a base case, assigning it a grade of 100. Because many cities receive the same numerical grade, tie scores are common. The 215 cities included in this year's survey are distributed to 109 ranks. New York City placed 13th.

The two Swiss cities tied for first place with grades of 106.5, edging out second place Vancouver and Vienna, which each scored 106.

The other Canadian cities weren't far behind, with Toronto in seventh spot with a score of 103.5, Ottawa ranking eighth at 103, Montreal in ninth at 102.5, and Calgary ranking tenth at 102.

The only other North American cities to crack the top 10 were Honolulu and San Francisco, which joined Calgary in the tenth position.

Baghdad was deemed the world's worst for quality of life, scoring a paltry 14.5 to capture 109th place.

Luxembourg won top honours in a special ranking of cities based on the quality of their personal safety and security. All five Canadian cities included in the survey tied for sixth in the safety list, making them the only North American cities in the top 10 of that category.

The safety rankings are based on internal stability, crime rates, the frequency of terrorist attacks, the quality of law enforcement, and the degree of personal freedoms.

? National Post 2005

Raven

During and after 9/11, it was made clear that many Canadians, as well as other countries, are not fond of America, to put it mildly....judging by some of the Canadian posts that 'we deserved it'.

I live about three hours from the Canadian border and I love the city of Vancouver, BC. I've always been treated well by the Canadians I know and I simply don't see why we are not peacefully friendly toward each other.

As to the health care system, having been a member of the medical profession in a former life, I've seen plenty of private pay insurance card holders suffer from wrong limb amputation, general medical fuck ups, etc....

And, yes, it is true that any hospital in the US that receives federal funding must put aside beds for the indigent.....which means everyone gets treatment.

There is one difference, however, between Canada, Germany, England and the US.

The Canadian health care system can deny treatment based on age. If your mother needs a new heart valve and she's 83, she will not be put in the front of the line; whereas in the US, she could be.

That being said, I believe that the US and Canada are both awesome countries, with their own special differences and similiarities.

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