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POed-poster · 03-19-2005, 03:58 PM

I am wondering if anyone has had success getting their $$ from ibill by involving their attorneys? If so, how long did it take?

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-19-2005, 03:59 PM

You mean besides the investors who pulled their money out?

aico · 03-19-2005, 04:02 PM

I got $14.95 put into my bank account last week.... took 5 months.

junction · 03-19-2005, 04:04 PM

I'm just glad I got out of Ibill before the shit hit the fan.

POed-poster · 03-19-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

You mean besides the investors who pulled their money out?

I basically mean webmasters who are owed less than 50k, although any successful story would be inspiring. I am wondering if the retainer I need to pay my attorney will be worth it. They are paying their top clients and they are paying out on their fucking gcard program so they obviously have SOME money.

POed-poster · 03-19-2005, 04:09 PM

I am seriously tempted to just file a lawsuit against them and ask for more than they actually owe me (e.g., pain and suffering and shit like that). I can show that their irresponsible and illegal actions have caused me financial hardship over the past six months. People have gotten a lot more suing MacDonnalds for making them fat. I would really be interesyed in a class action suit if there is one out there. I want my money, but at this point I also want revenge.

Porko · 03-19-2005, 05:47 PM

they own me about $ 1200 . Not too much but its mine.

Greg May iBill VP Sales told me that they will send me a wire.
I never got anything. Also, they dont reply ANY email that i send.

this was my original email to ibill:

Hello Greg May
My username in ibill is: porko
I have two serious problems with your company:

1) I've been an affiliate for almost a year and i've never received a single check.

2) I've been told that accounts from Argentina were suspended and webmasters from my country are no longer accepted by Ibill, which is unfair since i haven't caused any trouble.

For Months i've tried that Sandroq from spanish support resolved this issue but for the contrary he made things more complicated.
Not only my emails were replied a week later, but he also didn't give any concrete answer.
I've offered the option to send a check with FedEx, with its cost deducted from my owed amount, but he told me that was impossible.

Some time after thar he told me that i could only be paid if i had an US adress, which resulted in a logically complicated issue, but i finally got an US mailing address, After that SandroQ told me that he sent the checks to the address i provided, but it never arrived.

After that he told me that i had to PAY 30 dollars for each check that Didn't arrive...

Then, he never got back to my email.

I need a solution URGENTLY, i'm still owed money.

Thank you for your time, Greg May.
Regards, Pablo K.

POed-poster · 03-19-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimbo

they own me about $ 1200 . Not too much but its mine.

Greg May iBill VP Sales told me that they will send me a wire.
I never got anything. Also, they dont reply ANY email that i send.

this was my original email to ibill:

Hello Greg May
My username in ibill is: porko
I have two serious problems with your company:

1) I've been an affiliate for almost a year and i've never received a single check.

2) I've been told that accounts from Argentina were suspended and webmasters from my country are no longer accepted by Ibill, which is unfair since i haven't caused any trouble.

For Months i've tried that Sandroq from spanish support resolved this issue but for the contrary he made things more complicated.
Not only my emails were replied a week later, but he also didn't give any concrete answer.
I've offered the option to send a check with FedEx, with its cost deducted from my owed amount, but he told me that was impossible.

Some time after thar he told me that i could only be paid if i had an US adress, which resulted in a logically complicated issue, but i finally got an US mailing address, After that SandroQ told me that he sent the checks to the address i provided, but it never arrived.

After that he told me that i had to PAY 30 dollars for each check that Didn't arrive...

Then, he never got back to my email.

I need a solution URGENTLY, i'm still owed money.

Thank you for your time, Greg May.
Regards, Pablo K.

Do not believe a single word they tell you. They are all fucking liars and thieves. They will do everything in their power NOT to pay you. I have had similar conversations with them in an attempt to work something out, but I eventually realized that it was all pointless. They never return emails or phone calls. I've even had their customer reps hang up on me.

I have sent about 50 emails to their legal department and have never gotten a single reply. I will admit that I wouldn't have replied to my last few emails (in which I refered to them as liars and criminals). I realize that sending them such emails is fruitless, but it felt so good.

Your situation is difficult since they only owe you twelve hundred. Hiring a lawyer doesn't seem worth it, unless it's part of a class action suit. One alternative you have is to use a collection agency. They will probably take a third of what they collect, assuming they collect anything. But otherwise, you'll get nothing. IBILL DOESN'T INTEND TO PAY US, EVER! A collection agency will only get paid if YOU get paid, so at least you know they will hound the fuck out of ibill. Who knows? You might get lucky. They might pay you off just to rid themselves of being hounded. I know one thing for sure. YOU WILL NEVER GET A DIME FROM THEM IF YOU CONTINUE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO PAY YOU, CAUSE THEY AIN'T GONNA.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimbo

they own me about $ 1200 . Not too much but its mine.

Greg May iBill VP Sales told me that they will send me a wire.
I never got anything. Also, they dont reply ANY email that i send.

this was my original email to ibill:

Hello Greg May
My username in ibill is: porko
I have two serious problems with your company:

1) I've been an affiliate for almost a year and i've never received a single check.

2) I've been told that accounts from Argentina were suspended and webmasters from my country are no longer accepted by Ibill, which is unfair since i haven't caused any trouble.

For Months i've tried that Sandroq from spanish support resolved this issue but for the contrary he made things more complicated.
Not only my emails were replied a week later, but he also didn't give any concrete answer.
I've offered the option to send a check with FedEx, with its cost deducted from my owed amount, but he told me that was impossible.

Some time after thar he told me that i could only be paid if i had an US adress, which resulted in a logically complicated issue, but i finally got an US mailing address, After that SandroQ told me that he sent the checks to the address i provided, but it never arrived.

After that he told me that i had to PAY 30 dollars for each check that Didn't arrive...

Then, he never got back to my email.

I need a solution URGENTLY, i'm still owed money.

Thank you for your time, Greg May.
Regards, Pablo K.

Greg May resigned from iBill.

Porko · 03-20-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Greg May resigned from iBill.

really ?

pornguy · 03-20-2005, 08:43 PM

This has been a long time in the making, and some people saw it comming and pulled out fast enough. I feel really bad for those that go screwed.

SuckOnThis · 03-20-2005, 09:09 PM

Class action wouldnt do much good, it would all go to Attorneys. But I too have considered hiring a lawyer in Florida to go after them. Besides the 28k they owe I also have 5 bounced checks totalling over 10 grand, they told me to mail them back and they would reissue, that was 4 months ago and now they tell me they will reissue with the next payout, yea fucking right. According to FL law I can collect triple damages for the bounced checks alone. So if anyone knows a good Attorney in FL, even one thats familiar with this Ibill bullshit I would certainly like their name.

I have also just filled out the documents to the Florida State Attorneys Office for filing criminal charges against them for writing bad checks, we'll see what comes of that.

POed-poster · 03-20-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Class action wouldnt do much good, it would all go to Attorneys. But I too have considered hiring a lawyer in Florida to go after them. Besides the 28k they owe I also have 5 bounced checks totalling over 10 grand, they told me to mail them back and they would reissue, that was 4 months ago and now they tell me they will reissue with the next payout, yea fucking right. According to FL law I can collect triple damages for the bounced checks alone. So if anyone knows a good Attorney in FL, even one thats familiar with this Ibill bullshit I would certainly like their name.

I have also just filled out the documents to the Florida State Attorneys Office for filing criminal charges against them for writing bad checks, we'll see what comes of that.

I WISH I had some bounced checkes from them. Send them immediately to the DA. It is illegal to issue bad checks and they can in theory be arrested.

BTW, I am currently talking with an attorney in Fla who specializes in contingency collections. If you want to split the $1500 retainer and combine our cases, LMK. They owe me the same amount they owe you. Their fee is 1/3 of whatever is recovered. Of course, I intend to sue Ibill in small claims court after they collect in order to recover 5k worth of the attorney's contingency.

Porko · 03-20-2005, 11:27 PM

so there is not any another way to recover the money but lawyers ?

SuckOnThis · 03-20-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster

I WISH I had some bounced checkes from them. Send them immediately to the DA. It is illegal to issue bad checks and they can in theory be arrested.

BTW, I am currently talking with an attorney in Fla who specializes in contingency collections. If you want to split the $1500 retainer and combine our cases, LMK. They owe me the same amount they owe you. Their fee is 1/3 of whatever is recovered. Of course, I intend to sue Ibill in small claims court after they collect in order to recover 5k worth of the attorney's contingency.

I am very interested in trying to combine cases but if they work on contingency why the retainer? I thought the purpose of lawyers doing contigency was there was no fee other than what they collected. But I guess $750 is a lot cheaper than paying normal Attorney fees. Leave a way for me to contact you and we can definitely talk about this.

As far as filing the papers with the State Attorney, they made it clear to me that their purpose is to file charges, not try to collect the money, which makes no sense to me.

Paul Markham · 03-21-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

This has been a long time in the making, and some people saw it comming and pulled out fast enough. I feel really bad for those that go screwed.

We were thinking about signing up to IBILL, then they sold out to a firm that Jason Galanis was involved in. I took a look at this guys profile and could nott run away fast enough.

I feel sympathy for people who IBILL are screwing, but anyone who lost more than two months revenue with them need only look in the mirror for the culprit.

To remain with a CC processor after they stiffed you once is a judgement call, to remain with them after twice is foolish. If it had been me as a seller I would of relegated IBILL down to the bottom position and programmed them to get one deal a month, to stay in the system. If I was an affiliate I would be searching out every gallery and contacting the TGP site it was listed with telling them it was coming down or I was changing the sponsor.

Unfortunately few did this and kept putting money into a fraudsters pocket. Fo me the real culprit in this are the people who kept sending IBILL money. The Credit Card companies, banks and their merchants.

Never blame a scorpian for biting you.

Paul Markham · 03-21-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Class action wouldnt do much good, it would all go to Attorneys. But I too have considered hiring a lawyer in Florida to go after them. Besides the 28k they owe I also have 5 bounced checks totalling over 10 grand, they told me to mail them back and they would reissue, that was 4 months ago and now they tell me they will reissue with the next payout, yea fucking right. According to FL law I can collect triple damages for the bounced checks alone. So if anyone knows a good Attorney in FL, even one thats familiar with this Ibill bullshit I would certainly like their name.

I have also just filled out the documents to the Florida State Attorneys Office for filing criminal charges against them for writing bad checks, we'll see what comes of that.

One bounced check is enough to file charges.

Maybe if you had done that the next one would not have bounced.

oyvind · 03-21-2005, 03:46 AM

anyone know a good collection agency to use? i want to take action to now...they owe us some money...not a huge amount...but enough...and now both the contact persons i have had there that has been speaking bullshit to me the last 4 months dont answer any more

SuckOnThis · 03-21-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

One bounced check is enough to file charges.

Maybe if you had done that the next one would not have bounced.

Don't rub it in

MickeyG · 03-21-2005, 09:49 AM

what are the odds of them paying revshares on the 23rd? Anyone heard anything? I know they deducted the monies from the master accounts on the 15th. It'll be interesting if they try and keep this money too. of course it wouldnt surprise me

imageman · 03-21-2005, 10:50 AM

Two years ago we dropped Ibill because i didn't want Penthouse gaining access to my list of members accounts etc. We sent out e-mails to many thousands of affiliates to switch over to the CCBill program, most of them did. But we still had around 1800 who for whatever reason kept sending joins through Ibill. That is the only reason we are owed money, its not a fortune but its ours.

I believe that Ibill is only staying in business to collect the First Data funds and as soon as they are paid " bang!!" you will see a chapter 11 filing by IBILL. Im sure they have all the paperwork ready to submit.

Don't be fooled by all this moving forward crap its stalling tactics so they can get there hands on your First Data moneys.

If i had a large amount outstanding i would be asking our attorneys to contact First Data to make sure Ibill never gets hold of any of the outstanding moneys and that a real third party appointed by the bank is given that money to pay out to webmaster. And i don't mean one of Ibill's fake corporations set up to skim our cash.

Trax · 03-21-2005, 11:00 AM

jesus guys

IBILL took your money and ran... They've cashed in millions and are now live like god in france

POed-poster · 03-21-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

I am very interested in trying to combine cases but if they work on contingency why the retainer? I thought the purpose of lawyers doing contigency was there was no fee other than what they collected. But I guess $750 is a lot cheaper than paying normal Attorney fees. Leave a way for me to contact you and we can definitely talk about this.

As far as filing the papers with the State Attorney, they made it clear to me that their purpose is to file charges, not try to collect the money, which makes no sense to me.

ICQ - 196132540

TheSaint · 03-21-2005, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

I am very interested in trying to combine cases but if they work on contingency why the retainer? I thought the purpose of lawyers doing contigency was there was no fee other than what they collected. But I guess $750 is a lot cheaper than paying normal Attorney fees. Leave a way for me to contact you and we can definitely talk about this.

As far as filing the papers with the State Attorney, they made it clear to me that their purpose is to file charges, not try to collect the money, which makes no sense to me.

Lawyers don't take on hopeless cases. They will sue IBM on contingency, not IBILL. The fact that they don;t have any working capital to pay reserves and moneys owed should tell you something.

The funny thing is the dumb fucks still with Ibill. Yeah, we know they are paying a few of you, and you are feeling smug right now, but when they go chapter 11 soon, you will find you are actually in worse shape than if you had just folded when everybody else had the common sense to.

POed-poster · 03-21-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

Lawyers don't take on hopeless cases. They will sue IBM on contingency, not IBILL. The fact that they don;t have any working capital to pay reserves and moneys owed should tell you something.

The funny thing is the dumb fucks still with Ibill. Yeah, we know they are paying a few of you, and you are feeling smug right now, but when they go chapter 11 soon, you will find you are actually in worse shape than if you had just folded when everybody else had the common sense to.

I assume that these deals are contingent upon people still processing with them. I agree, however, that they are probably unwise to continue on as clients. The minute they stop processing, Ibill will stop paying them. There is too much litigation pending against Ibill at the moment, so it's probably only a matter of time before the file bankruptcy. The only way to make bank off them now is to try to short their stock.

Paul Markham · 03-22-2005, 01:23 AM

imageman
That's a good point about the money at First Data. Only people to talk to now are the lawyers or forget about it. What are the chances of filing suit against FD to stop them giving the money to IBILL?

keyboard warrior · 03-23-2005, 04:58 PM

I bet IBILL gets 1000's of "where is my fucking money" e-mails daily!

they all go in the trash.

03-19-2005, 03:58 PM	#1
POed-poster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,588	Success against Ibill? I am wondering if anyone has had success getting their $$ from ibill by involving their attorneys? If so, how long did it take?

03-19-2005, 03:59 PM	#2
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	You mean besides the investors who pulled their money out? __________________ Sigless

03-19-2005, 05:47 PM	#7
Porko SeeMyBucks.com Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,014	they own me about $ 1200 . Not too much but its mine. Greg May iBill VP Sales told me that they will send me a wire. I never got anything. Also, they dont reply ANY email that i send. this was my original email to ibill: Hello Greg May My username in ibill is: porko I have two serious problems with your company: 1) I've been an affiliate for almost a year and i've never received a single check. 2) I've been told that accounts from Argentina were suspended and webmasters from my country are no longer accepted by Ibill, which is unfair since i haven't caused any trouble. For Months i've tried that Sandroq from spanish support resolved this issue but for the contrary he made things more complicated. Not only my emails were replied a week later, but he also didn't give any concrete answer. I've offered the option to send a check with FedEx, with its cost deducted from my owed amount, but he told me that was impossible. Some time after thar he told me that i could only be paid if i had an US adress, which resulted in a logically complicated issue, but i finally got an US mailing address, After that SandroQ told me that he sent the checks to the address i provided, but it never arrived. After that he told me that i had to PAY 30 dollars for each check that Didn't arrive... Then, he never got back to my email. I need a solution URGENTLY, i'm still owed money. Thank you for your time, Greg May. Regards, Pablo K. __________________ Last edited by bimbo; 03-19-2005 at 05:49 PM..

03-20-2005, 08:43 PM	#11
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03-20-2005, 11:27 PM	#14
Porko SeeMyBucks.com Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,014	so there is not any another way to recover the money but lawyers ? __________________

03-19-2005, 04:02 PM	#3
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I got $14.95 put into my bank account last week.... took 5 months.

03-19-2005, 04:04 PM	#4
junction Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,411	I'm just glad I got out of Ibill before the shit hit the fan.

03-19-2005, 04:09 PM	#6
POed-poster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,588	I am seriously tempted to just file a lawsuit against them and ask for more than they actually owe me (e.g., pain and suffering and shit like that). I can show that their irresponsible and illegal actions have caused me financial hardship over the past six months. People have gotten a lot more suing MacDonnalds for making them fat. I would really be interesyed in a class action suit if there is one out there. I want my money, but at this point I also want revenge.

03-20-2005, 09:09 PM	#12
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Class action wouldnt do much good, it would all go to Attorneys. But I too have considered hiring a lawyer in Florida to go after them. Besides the 28k they owe I also have 5 bounced checks totalling over 10 grand, they told me to mail them back and they would reissue, that was 4 months ago and now they tell me they will reissue with the next payout, yea fucking right. According to FL law I can collect triple damages for the bounced checks alone. So if anyone knows a good Attorney in FL, even one thats familiar with this Ibill bullshit I would certainly like their name. I have also just filled out the documents to the Florida State Attorneys Office for filing criminal charges against them for writing bad checks, we'll see what comes of that.

03-21-2005, 03:46 AM	#18
oyvind Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 63	anyone know a good collection agency to use? i want to take action to now...they owe us some money...not a huge amount...but enough...and now both the contact persons i have had there that has been speaking bullshit to me the last 4 months dont answer any more __________________ ______________________________________________ www.hegre-art.com - The most beautiful girls in the world

03-21-2005, 09:49 AM	#20
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	what are the odds of them paying revshares on the 23rd? Anyone heard anything? I know they deducted the monies from the master accounts on the 15th. It'll be interesting if they try and keep this money too. of course it wouldnt surprise me

03-21-2005, 10:50 AM	#21
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Ibills next move Two years ago we dropped Ibill because i didn't want Penthouse gaining access to my list of members accounts etc. We sent out e-mails to many thousands of affiliates to switch over to the CCBill program, most of them did. But we still had around 1800 who for whatever reason kept sending joins through Ibill. That is the only reason we are owed money, its not a fortune but its ours. I believe that Ibill is only staying in business to collect the First Data funds and as soon as they are paid " bang!!" you will see a chapter 11 filing by IBILL. Im sure they have all the paperwork ready to submit. Don't be fooled by all this moving forward crap its stalling tactics so they can get there hands on your First Data moneys. If i had a large amount outstanding i would be asking our attorneys to contact First Data to make sure Ibill never gets hold of any of the outstanding moneys and that a real third party appointed by the bank is given that money to pay out to webmaster. And i don't mean one of Ibill's fake corporations set up to skim our cash.

03-21-2005, 11:00 AM	#22
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	jesus guys IBILL took your money and ran... They've cashed in millions and are now live like god in france

03-22-2005, 01:23 AM	#26
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	imageman That's a good point about the money at First Data. Only people to talk to now are the lawyers or forget about it. What are the chances of filing suit against FD to stop them giving the money to IBILL? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-23-2005, 04:58 PM	#27
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	I bet IBILL gets 1000's of "where is my fucking money" e-mails daily! they all go in the trash. __________________ - nothing here -