Zfreehost..what's th catch...

[spacedog]

Who use's Zfreehost..
Is this bullshit? http://zfreehost.com

They must 404 & redirect..Am I right..

[ldinternet]

Originally posted by spacedog:
They must 404 & redirect..Am I right..

You are right.

[Amputate Your Head]

They're hosting on a cable modem.

[spacedog]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
They're hosting on a cable modem.

Funny!!

[axxxis]

Nah, I think an AOL dialup. They only host a few hundred domains and only push a few hundred megs. Good dialup provider

[ammo325]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Nothing wrong with this free host. So what if they redirect. I believe there is a "catch" to all free hosts. Thats why they are free.

I use them all the time. Sometimes I get a 404 sometimes not. Not too bad, don't have to pay a b/w bill and sites still get listed. So I make cash from it and so do they. Better than a bunch of consoles popping up or some of the headers on these free hosts.

[spacedog]

How often do they redirect..
And from what countries?

[cable53]

ammo325 you only get listed until the tgp owners gets the 404 and blacklist your ass. Once you realize how fucking bad zfreehost is you'll be banned all over the place.

[This message has been edited by cable53 (edited 12-21-2001).]

[the indigo]

Everytime I check a gallery hosted on zfreehost, I see their 404 pages. Total bullshit.

[spacedog]

Hmm..
I just ftp this to test it out.. http://www.zfreehost.com/vhost/1-900...edog/index.htm

I then reloaded it for about 1/2 an hour..so far, no 404...Is it just foreign traffic they 404?

[Ludedude]

Isn't zfreehost the ones that feed you a cookie so once you get the 404 once you don't see it again? If you don't take the cookie, they bounce you off to some foreign language spam page.

The worst part is that you can host your own domain there, so it's fargin' hard as hell to ban those guys every time they submit something, but I'm trying

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[ammo325]

Cable 53 this may be true in some cases but not all. Don't make it sound like its the worst thing in the world. I have been building galleries and using freehosts for over 3 years.

I have used just about every freehost out there. I see more consoles from freehosts that are considered some of the best freehosts on this board and others.

So its all in who you know. Now if the owner of Zfreehost was buddies with some big players (maybe they are) and everyone new that then they would be considered a great free host in this business.

I get 404s probably 3 times a day and I review over 400 galleries daily. And I know that a very large majority are using zfreehost. So why slam them? Because someone made it publicly known that they were doing 404.

We always condemn surfers that get their porn for free but yet tgp owners baby them by trying to get rid of "bad free hosts" by blacklisting them. Kind of sounds like a double standard to me.

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[spacedog]

so, ammo..What's your guess..
If I use Zfreehost..
How much of my traffic would be lost to the 404 or redirect..
Lets say for every 1000 visitors..

[axxxis]

Ludedude:
Can't you check for yourself that there is NO cookies on zfreehost?
Whatever they are doing, it DOES NOT use cookies!
you people with your damn conspiracy theories!

[ammo325]

Spacedog

Your guess is as good as mine but its FREE!

[spacedog]

Originally posted by ammo325:
Spacedog

Your guess is as good as mine but its FREE!

OH..I know it's free, & wanted to know where zfree redirected from..
I just don't want to lose UK, AU, Fr, & few others...

Do they just 404, or do they foreign redirect...& how often?

[axxxis]

From my experience, it doesnt matter if you are from USA or Afghanistan, Asia or Russia, Japan or Australia. A Sponsor I use shows me signup statistics from various countries, and none of the countries dropped off since I moved to z free host, I did notice my counter counting about 1-2% less since I moved there, BUT I noticed my clicks to my sponsor and my signups went up by about 15%. I guess surfers hate the huge freehost banners more than anything... (before I used a banner free host for this site).

Honestly, I have a dedicated server and accounts on quite a few freehosts, 80% of my traffic goes through zfreehost, and the remaining 20% goes through my dedicated. I really thing Z Free is a good deal, fine I lose 1% of my traffic, but the conversion is up, not down and the bandwidth is free...

Just my opinion

[spacedog]

sales R up Sounds Great to me..
I'm working on sending there right now..
I like not having the ads too...
yeah,,,1 to 2% traffic loss aint no big deal..Paricularly if sales go up as a result..
Got one damn long url though.. http://www.zfreehost.com/vhost/1-900...edog/index.htm
Now if I could only find a short url redirect address

[ammo325]

Space dog you can get them to host your domain name. This works well. As far as foreign traffic, I am in the usa and I get an occasional 404 page. So they either 404 intentinionally or their cache doesn't hold up well as they say

[DialerNET]

Originally posted by ammo325:
We always condemn surfers that get their porn for free but yet tgp owners baby them by trying to get rid of "bad free hosts" by blacklisting them. Kind of sounds like a double standard to me.

Marry me!
Hear fucking hear!

TGP owners (and I'm one of them) can be absolute morons.
I personally will list every damn host that submits, as long as the galleries are good.
And quite frankly, the more hosts that redirect every now and then the better.
Let's make it hard for these freeloaders to get their porn.
For christs sake! This is a business! It costs us money to bring it to them, why shouldn't it cost them AT LEAST a little inconvenience to view it?
The more inconvenience, the more likely they'll give up the freeloading crap and actually BUY something.

WISE UP PEOPLE! Freehosts aren't the enemy here!

Okay.. That's my Christmas rant over with

Jason.

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[axxxis]

Spacedog:
your URL is http://www.1-900fuck.com/spacedog/index.htm

Re-read the signup email they send you.
Where did you get the idea to use that long url?

[Wiredoctor]

The no header shit from Zfreehost and a few others claiming no ads is bull shit. Their baiting you to build up some traffic, then BAM all to 404... Just think about it, and use a tiny bit of common sense. If they dont have any ads, they cant make any money...DUH simple. So if they have no ads then they have to 404 or they go broke. All this bannerless free hosting thats been starting lately is rediculas. Its doesnt take a rocket sciencetist to see this...

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[oscer]

Originally posted by ammo325:
I said it before and I'll say it again. Nothing wrong with this free host. So what if they redirect. I believe there is a "catch" to all free hosts. Thats why they are free.

I use them all the time. Sometimes I get a 404 sometimes not. Not too bad, don't have to pay a b/w bill and sites still get listed. So I make cash from it and so do they. Better than a bunch of consoles popping up or some of the headers on these free hosts.

Those Freehosts are making more Cash off Redirecting then you all think

and it hurts the whole adult Buisness

[FATPad]

Maybe the big TGP owners just want to send traffic to people for whom this is a little more than a hobby? I know I'd rather see people on paid hosting who actually invested something in their business getting traffic instead of people who consider this a hobby.

I always get a kick when people on free hosting start talking about free loading surfers, btw.

[ammo325]

Actually Fatpad,

I have some experience in this area. I use my paid host for my tgp and some of my galleries. The rest is on freehost. Frankly, if I put all of my galleries on paid hosting my bandwidth bill would be so I high, I would be lucky if I brought in 20% profit. I don't know how some of you do it.

So the freehost is a plus, they make some cash, ask do I with signups. Plus I get to drive traffic to my tgp by putting a button on the galleries. This allows me to trade with others. That way I send trades to other tgps and that surfer may find something to buy on that tgp and vice versa.

[Lightning]

Originally posted by Wiredoctor:
The no header shit from Zfreehost and a few others claiming no ads is bull shit. Their baiting you to build up some traffic, then BAM all to 404... Just think about it, and use a tiny bit of common sense. If they dont have any ads, they cant make any money...DUH simple. So if they have no ads then they have to 404 or they go broke. All this bannerless free hosting thats been starting lately is rediculas. Its doesnt take a rocket sciencetist to see this...

Very well said Wiredoctor. Stick with the more established free hosts, the ones with a history and some track record behind them. If the offer No ads, then Bull Shit..it cant be done, nothing is free. Id suggest Lightning Free, Smutserver, Girls Host, Stynk, and a few other.. They may have headers and footers, but there not trying to bull shit you saying they will kick ass and still be in biz a few months down the road.

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[Theo]

Originally posted by spacedog:
sales R up Sounds Great to me..
I'm working on sending there right now..
I like not having the ads too...
yeah,,,1 to 2% traffic loss aint no big deal..Paricularly if sales go up as a result..
Got one damn long url though.. http://www.zfreehost.com/vhost/1-900...edog/index.htm
Now if I could only find a short url redirect address

you'll never gonna learn,arent you?
zfreehost redirects a big % of the users that click for 1st time and puts a cookie on their systems, so the next time they'll see always their pages. Independent cookies it redirects 4%.

if you're gonna keep using zfreehost, better get a domain at least to hide the real freehost because i doubt if anyone is gonna post your links.

[DialerNET]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
you'll never gonna learn,arent you?
zfreehost redirects a big % of the users that click for 1st time

It's like talking to a brick wall.
I've got nothing against any of you for hating Zfree, but as has been stated a number of times by those defending them - they are getting much more traffic, and much better signup ratios from galleries on Zfree, purely because of the lack of banners.
IT DOESN'T MATTER if they redirect anything as long as these SIMPLE, fundamental facts remain!
Money talks.

As for the cookie thing.. I'd love to know where the cookie is on my system.. Been looking for a week now.

Jason.

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[This message has been edited by Soul_Rebel (edited 12-22-2001).]

[Theo]

if you ask any free host owner he's gonna tell you that if they had to choose between banners or redirecting a % would tell you redirecting. In case both webmasters and freehosts make more money then something magic happened to the industry!

[Theo]

and something to finish,
reactions started because the host claimed no redirections. There other freehosts (for some years out) that tell you they redirect a certain % to their sponsor, it's not a crime, but the webmasters that sign with them they know.

[FATPad]

"IT DOESN'T MATTER if they redirect anything as long as these SIMPLE, fundamental facts remain!
Money talks."

It will when you can't get any traffic to your gallery because it's blacklisted everywhere.

[spacedog]

I like my site better withoutthe banners & ads..
Redirect's seems to be a small price to pay for bannerless hosting..
It's free, I make money, ..Host needs to make money..after all..fair is fair..
Fuck it..
I reloaded my page 100's of times..
I only got one 404..
Hey..I can deal with losing 8-10 surfers a day in exchange for free host..

[Theo]

i think it's voting time
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/cgi-bi...1&topic=014682

[spacedog]

Hey..Fuck you soul rebel..
What's so fucking stupid about that?
Woopdy fricken doo..I used a free host..SO FUCKING WHAT!!!

JEEZ...

[spacedog]

OK PEOPLE..Listen Up!! & Listen Good..I'm only gonna tell ya this once..

I found the problem with zfreehost's 404's

Their system don't recognize html pages within a directory..
Example.. http://www.yoursite.com/yourdirectory/yourpage.html

If you are using this type of directory structure..You will always get the 404..

I tested this out numerous time with perfect code..I varied the linkin to further prove my theory..

You need to make sure ALL html pages reside within your default directory..
example.. http://www.yoursite.com/yourpage.html

HOWEVER,
Images & other files seem to function properly within a directory structure..

Ie: img src=directory/image_name.gif

BUT, do not root it more than a single directory deep..
Like:
directory1/directory2/image_name.gif
This will result in a broken link..

ALL you internal links/pages need to be stored in your default directory..

This is the reason everyone's been getting the 404's for their galleries..

[pr0]

Ok heres the results......

Tested 236 Proxy servers in the period of 1 Hour, 35% of them went to a 404 page. On reload nearly 50% went to a 404.


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[Theo]

spacedog, i think it's time to learn the truth.........Santa Claous doesn't exist

[spacedog]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
spacedog, i think it's time to learn the truth.........Santa Claous doesn't exist

WTF is your major malfunction boy?

[FATPad]

Originally posted by spacedog:
OK PEOPLE..Listen Up!! & Listen Good..I'm only gonna tell ya this once..

I found the problem with zfreehost's 404's

Their system don't recognize html pages within a directory..
Example.. http://www.yoursite.com/yourdirectory/yourpage.html

If you are using this type of directory structure..You will always get the 404..

I tested this out numerous time with perfect code..I varied the linkin to further prove my theory..

You need to make sure ALL html pages reside within your default directory..
example.. http://www.yoursite.com/yourpage.html

HOWEVER,
Images & other files seem to function properly within a directory structure..

Ie: img src=directory/image_name.gif

BUT, do not root it more than a single directory deep..
Like:
directory1/directory2/image_name.gif
This will result in a broken link..

ALL you internal links/pages need to be stored in your default directory..

This is the reason everyone's been getting the 404's for their galleries..

Yep. That must be it.

[axxxis]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:

you'll never gonna learn,arent you?
zfreehost redirects a big % of the users that click for 1st time and puts a cookie on their systems, so the next time they'll see always their pages. Independent cookies it redirects 4%.

if you're gonna keep using zfreehost, better get a domain at least to hide the real freehost because i doubt if anyone is gonna post your links.

If you are going to say something, back it up with FACTS. Show some hard proof of a cookie being set on zfreehost, ANYWHERE. you can't because they DO NOT use cookies. Disable cookies in your browser and you will see it still works the same way with a few 404 errors every once in a while. It is not a conspiracy, it is just a cacheing problem. I spent a few hours looking into it, there are NO cookies on zfreehost AT ALL. (note that doesnt mean that some zfreehost users dont have cookies)

[pr0]

Look at what i posted jerkoff

[spacedog]

Ok heres the results......
Tested 236 Proxy servers in the period of 1 Hour, 35% of them went to a 404 page. On reload nearly 50% went to a 404

Must be defective method of testing??
I still havent gotten any 404's other than the first one..I've been checking all fricken morning..

[spacedog]

Click this 100,000 times... http://www.zfreehost.com/vhost/1-900...edog/index.htm

[pr0]

hehehe...you know pr0's gonna hand select his proxy's

But yes i suppose there is a large chance of error when testing.....

And my wife is JUST FRIENDS with the UPS man :-)

[FATPad]

If P.T. Barnum were alive today, we wouldn't have a circus, we'd have Barnum And Bailey's free hosting.

[spacedog]

If I keep testing this fucker, my counter stats are ganna be way inaccurate..
My return visits & reloads is..UP THERE!!

I just did another few thousand refreshes & still no 404?

[spacedog]

Originally posted by FATPad:
If P.T. Barnum were alive today, we wouldn't have a circus, we'd have Barnum And Bailey's free hosting.

HAhahaha..We have that..
It's over here.. http://pornsuite.net

[pr0]

wow.....amazingly this time when i tested the host it came up 100% perfect.

As gomer pile says "Wellllllll iiii'lllll bEeeeeeee!"

[axxxis]

spacedog: as the zfree people have been saying, it is a cacheing problem, hence why you only saw it once, it is staying in cache.
return and refresh shows how many times the counter was refresh/reloaded, meaning that those counts did see your page previously.