No you're the fucking idiot with a piece of coal stuck up his tight ass. I get paid to do what I enjoy so I don't give two shits about what anybody else does or how many sales anybody else gets because it doesn't affect ME...I never said that perfect gonzo isn't good shit. In fact I didn't say ANYTHING about them. In fact, I made a thread about allinternal over a year ago because I thought their tour was fantastic....But my point STILL is that a lot of people don't give a shit about how clear the video is as long as it's "clear enough"

What do YOU run Mr. Trent Edison? You're just another nobody unknown troll perhaps?

And Charly, stick to shooting content for OTHERS to distribute. I can tell by some of your other posts you don't know much about much else.

I should make this a little more clear....Not ALL surfers gives a shit about lighting and frames per second.

I dont have ICQ on this computer. What´s the big secret? I like technology and I would like to read a bit about what your getting. :winkwink:

now its true bro - but wasn't till now
sometimes niche is far more important then quality.
Paparazi will never shoot pics in high-end quality but their stuff will always be interesting - example :pimp

I know you love me bro. :winkwink:

After the raw footage is edited we are now putting everything back on tape so we can sell it to the DVE market and the Internet in the future.

BVF I used to earn 1/2 million dollars a year distributing mail order with a two man company. Until the local council closed me so maybe I do know a bit about distributing.

But you are right a lot are not worried about the quality of the product they buy. And this applies with all products. They are not worried right up to the moment when they find a higher quality for the same price. Then they change their outlook, every time a surfer sees a good porn site you lose a potential client.

Hot Chocolate, if you are serious hit me up on ICQ, can't find your number.
I know guys who can shoot this, they shoot for the better end.

its no secret - I just would love to be the first to have it here in Czech - Lot of my straigh competitors here in Czech.
Anyway I had a chance to use that camera already and can say thats it.
Of course I must do some tests with different filters and lighting set up and white balance.
Some of PG scenes are shooted outdoor and nothing compare the day light so you must compare the scenes shooted both indoor.Also always compare details scene with details scene as camera gives the best results in details not from far distance.
Anyway it seems like you know what you want to do.And its the same for me.Till now I shooted the stuff always comparing the production costs and possible profit but decided not to do this anymore.Since now I will shoot just nice girls and focuse on niche pretty hard - no matter what it costs.
Once you have a partners who are able to sell the quality stuff then it makes no difference if scene is about 1000 USD or 1500 USD.
Also I have some new convert techniques giving me AVI files in 720x576 like 14 Mb per min which is pretty good.
I will try to contact you when I have that new cam and show you results - maybe we can work something out.
Right now I am shoting some large collection of videos for 1 great sponsor and would be happy to shoot something for you.I shoot the best girls we have here for them so each girl can shoot something for you during the production day.
ok take care and thanks for warm words man

I USED to earn 1/2 million dollars a year growing tomatoes for years and years...So now that gives me the right to think I know "a bit" about genetically growing corn here in the new millennium.

Right??

I will contact you on ICQ on Monday and we will discuss everything. Have a great weekend!

OK I will see you in Miami and we can discuss it further.

Eva and I will be staying in one of the suites on the top of the hotel, we can talk of the free breakfast they lay on up there in the lounge. I assume you will be staying up there as well. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Great thread...... yes not everyone goes for quality some people jerk off to fuzzy trailers all day, and if you look at some of the top dvd sellers out there they don't have top notch quality like PG, but running a higher quality production online definitely sets yourself apart from the competition. I know the guys at PG and they definitely set themselves apart and thats a good thing becuz it improves the quality of the content out there overall.

Nydahl i'll be contacting you also...

Bomber

50 exclusive scenes...

What I find interesting is that none of the BIG providers from the US are posting their comments in this thread. C´mon guys!?!?!?!

I met you on the showroom floor in Miami two years ago. It still doesn't mean that you know shit. It just means that you shoot content.

Plus I'd rather have the $21 buffet breakfast that they had downstairs...Fuck a continental breakfast that doesn't fill you up.

not true yet.... majority are still on dialup... you can have that size, but u better make sure you still have the smaller ones too :upsidedow

I've been extremely busy filming reality video content of all kinds for the past couple of years, but I have made a lot of higher budgeted adult movies too, so I will throw in my $.02. To pull off content with a certain look, it basically boils down to spending time and care and yes, extra money to get all the elements in place. It's not necessarilly a special camera or filter or post-production process. Just lots and lots of good lighting (more than most shooters use on a day-to-day basis) and the ability to make it look nice, the beautiful location, the extra $ spent getting hotter girls, spending money on a make-up artist etc etc. It's a lot more work and can often involve more than one person crew like how I and many others might fim a more typical reality video scene.

Here's a minute long excerpt from one of my DVDs (Strap-On Sally 19)

http://www.ExclusiveRealityContent.c...ers/Sample.wmv

This from a production where I had the time and budget to hire expert lighting, rent a nice mansion for the shoot, hire two top girls, do great makeup on the girls etc etc. I had a several person crew help. There are many ways to get good content on all production levels. These elements and of course, the way a scene is shot, make a difference in the finished product.

I would love to do some higher-end productions for my clients, but I don't know if program owners would be willing to pay what it takes for all the expense and work and time that would go into this.

Ok so finally people are realizing that they like something different then reality and it is selling. No surprise. However what the Perfect Gonzo crew is doing is very simple. I can guarantee anybody who has worked a camera for a couple years can do exactly what they have. All that site is a Porno Glamour site and if you look at the stuff playboy does you will realise that they themselves have borrowed or stole their ideas from. It is kinda weird that everybody is bagging on the content producers here? You guys have been asking them to shoot "Real" content and ll the sudden after making money off them you are saying don't you guys shoot like this?? Come on.

nice looking clip

I don't understand why any content providers websites dont offer examples of QUALITY that they are capable of. This is a sales game and you guys don't think its important enough to have this out there? It could totally influence someone serious about their business to pay for quality rather than just whats commonly available on your site and everywhere else. If you were capable of quality like this you'd definitely advertise your capabilities, most of you guys are probably full of shit.

Everything needs to be discussed and requested... I mean shit, film a fucking apple on a desk for 10 seconds with all your different cameras and encoding techniques, put up a bunch of clips and scale the price accordingly for exclusive content. Isn't that where you guys make the real $ at anyway?

All of you guys say "I could do this I could do that but its gonna cost you 50% more than what you're used to paying". Who's gonna give up 5k to a content provider for 1 scene w/o any proof of their capability? Would you pay an additional 50% to a designer whos entire portfolio is of average designs just because they say "oh I can do much higher quality work if you want to pay more"?

c'mon guys, wtf

i've been in the high end exclusive video content purchasing/producing end of things for years. some thoughts:

- it is VERY difficult to get exactly what you want. people can tell you all sorts of stories, but in the end it's no cake walk to get exactly what you want.
- very high quality is HARD to come by. again, people like to talk, but rarely do they come through.
- quality does NOT come cheap.
- you are most likely going to waste some money here and there to see what someone can produce, and most of the time being utter shit, it will simply be a lesson learned.
- when/if you work out a successful system of content production with someone (high quality, shot exactly the way you want, the right girls, lighting, timely execution, etc), and then are able to get it edited and encoded exactly as you want (quality and presentation being paramount) make the most of it. I built a buffer of over two years of exclusive content at one point, because I was always afraid it would not last forever (ie: being able to get the production values that I wanted, reasonable costs, etc). and it didn't.

good luck.

I really admire what PG has achieved. Not only is their stuff high quality but it has a very distinct "look" all its own with the makeup, outfits and sets.

Very appealing stuff . . .

Interesting thread.

No problem doing that here. Hit me up.

Jim Gunn
Nice clip, location and girls, but the one staring off into space needed you to stop and tell her not to.

tical
I'm at home and not rushing off to the office to stick up a sample. The reason few have samples could be that the absolute minimum you need to shoot this is a VX2000 and I would say that is not enough. Better would be a pro camera. Then you need about 4-5 Red Heads, with gels and a lighting guy. Then a pro make up artist and a crew of at least two people plus cameraman.

Then models of this quality are $1,000 a scene plus the agents 20%.

So it requires a big investment besides the skills and knowledge of porn to shoot a scene at this level. Simply put the Internet today is not the place to sell that product.

As Quiet says this level is hard to find and if you do find it the guys who produce it are not cheap and if they are not paid the right amount they walk away. Because there are plenty of porn companies who will employ them.

The Adult Net is new and few of the players have any idea what is involved in producing this level of porn. It has for years mostly been a cut-price product and producing content for it has to be done with that in mind.

If I shoot a good couple?s (BG or GG) set for a magazine I can sell it around the world for up to $10,000. This allows me to spend money to make sure the set is right. But if I shoot a couple?s set for the Internet the most I will make is around $2,000 (40 sales @ $50)

Today the video is an add-on at the end and doubles the ROI and few complain about the quality. Those that do don't understand that the money involved selling a higher quality product does not warrant the extra work.

Before I'm a pornographer, photographer, distributor, I'm a business man and I know that if I sell an average solo girl $10 set 100 times I make more profit than a $50 good boy girl set sold 40 times.

Also the comment about filming an apple to show quality is revealing of your porn knowledge. Shooting porn is a lot more difficult than shooting an apple.

Getting the lighting, sound, and image quality right is the simple bit. Shooting two people having sex and turning it into a PORN scene is the hard part. You need to know how to handle models, know the sequence, angles, close ups required to make it look like the people on the screen are hot bitches fucking their brains out and not paid models going through the motions.

Few have addresses my comments that this quality of video is readily available from a lot of firms. Shooting in-house or buying outright exclusive rights world or country rights. Just that today few of them see the Internet as an avenue to sell their products.

The reason is some cable/satellite porn and distribution companies will not buy a product that has been on the Internet. Look at the revenue to be earned selling this quality to the cable and worldwide retail market and you will see why there is little high quality on the Internet.

Well that was today and yesterday. Tomorrow it will be different. Because as the Internet speeds up more established porn companies will come into this side of porn distribution, Private just announced their new affiliate program. So expect to see more of this quality and surfers demanding a better product in the future.

Quiet said it all.

The guy producing it eventually realised he would earn more elsewhere or just moved out of the business and was tough to replace.

Whoops

Just realised what a long post that was. SORRY!!

Very nice work! Count on me contacting you on Monday. :thumbsup

Took the words right out of my mouth. Don´t see anyone BIG like World Wide Content, Matrix, Amacontent, etc. posting to this thread. I hope its a wake up call for the producers out there. :2 cents:

Samples?

Two of these would not have a clue how to shoot the quality you need. And with you posting this I think you reveal your knowledge, so I'm out of here.

good point if they were capable of doing it they would have it on their porfolio as an example of their work

thats a joke right

If you have a sample charly (which you should I guess) just upload it in a day or two and post it in this thread. You'll get some work, noone will claim you can't do it, and that will be the end of that. Rather than writting a 10,000 word response you could of just said 'I'll upload a sample when I get to the office on Monday'. That is of course if you have a sample, but if you don't than I guess you can't really claim you know, because you haven't actually done it first hand.

... there's nothing new or great about perfectgonzos's content...it's clean, yes, and the compression is OK, BUT NOT GREAT... the samples i saw on the website... hmmm, sorry, 1 Mb for 10 seconds??? get real, that's not for internet.
... i don't think personally they use HD, what's the point using HD when you eventually will crap the material by compressing it...
... the Pana AGDVX100A would be the entry level camera for the job, and the SONY PD170 cumming close... forget about VX2000 though...also the JVC GY500 with it's 12 bit DSP processing coud do the job quite well, though i would prefere the Pana for the magical ingredient.. progressive scan....and yes, PAL helps a lot..
... the lights, eh...that's the story, put in a few HMI, or KinoFlos, or better some Photoflex 4-Starlite...thake out of the pocket a few (more) thosusand bucks, and you are set to go...
... the babez and the setups are all around us...
... don't forget the magic words... "WHITE BALANCE"
... buy a fucking LIGHTMETER, there's a point why a good one costs about the same as an entry level prosumer video camera...
... expose on the right of the histogram, never blow whites (am i talking chinese here?)
... read the fucking manuals...
... i bet that techically, i can reproduce the PG quality with my old Pana NV-DS55..and my FCP of course.... as long as no one is asking for greater compression, LOL

ok I guess you know a little bit about that - at least you are the 1 of those who can set up white balance manualy which is must and not all of camera guys are doing this right.
I posted above that for me its a matter fo convert mostly but anyway you are not able to produce that using mentioned equipment....I am 100% sure

I will try it in a couple of dayz, just for the fun of it...

BUMP for all the content providers.

What I said was I know how it was shot and I know who can shoot it. I think I do have a sample and will try to find it and upload it.

How many times do you think I've worked as a camera man or stills photographer on a pro shoot? On those shoots I do not end up with the master tape.

This is the problem with people on the Internet they tend to think as if the whole porn industry operates as they do.

Listen to EROTEEK he obviously knows what he's talking about. Interesting about the HD, I would of thought it would compress better. Thanks for the advice, only reason to buy a HD camera then is for the DVD and Cable market.

But I still think they're using pro cameras. The color balance of the stills is very close to that of the movies, which may mean they are off the film. Can someone grab one and see if the info in the image gives any clues. I can't on my home computer.

But what this thread keeps going on about is the quality of the camera and that is the easiest part. What few can see is the quality of the producer/director/cameraman. Of course I would like to see a full scene, but from the samples I would say these guys know what they are doing. The crew will be the hardest to get.

I can drive fast in my Ford, but I'm under no illusions that I can race a Formula 3 car. Give most people a top of the line camera and they would not know what end to point.

This is from a Gonzo shoot I used to do back in the early 90s. POV blow jobs were no fun.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/craz...ith_camera.jpg

Of course having the right equipment is important, but as charly said, knowing what to do with it matters more. I doubt some content providers have ever even set a manual white balance on a camcorder -- but not all surfers give a shit, if the content is compelling enough.

It usually takes a team to create great work.

One person usually isn't great at everything - shoot, lighting, directing and producing.

Still talking about the technical points and nothing about the actual product we sell.

I've seen ponr shot be guys trained at the BBC, professional cameraman, lighting, sound, direction. It sucked was as boring as paint drying.

I've never had a days formal photographic training in my life and can barely light a set. But I've produced more hard ons and sperm flying into a handkerchief than the top porn stars.

To produce porn you need to know how th get the best out of a model without forcing her/him, how to hadle them, the problems that will arise and how to deal with them.

Then there are the angles, framing, sequence, cuts, cut aways, comedy and a few other things.

All this needs to be handled so with a bunch of non actors, being paid to fuck, who don't give a tinkers toss about your product and only interested in the money and when they can go home, you produce something that looks vaguely horny.

Sticking a camera on a tripod and zooming in and out is not porn, especially when a model, who's supposed to be having her brains fucked out of her, keeps looking to the camera right, probably for instructions. It's little things like that, that can kill the erection.

Hunter I do not have fucking clue how to operate a camera, what I do know is how to operate models and that is what makes a pornographer.

I would be interested to see that. If you have any really cute Teens doing Boy-Girl on video I wouls also be interested.