Question for all you money making Webmasters??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 04:59 PM

Are you guys all banking in from name brands like Hustler and Playboy.
You would think with those name brands its a no brainer.

Do you see your conversions better then your normal adult sites?

Just Curious.

I have been checking out Hustlers new products and they have been busy. Great sites, I am loving their new personals site.

After Shock Media · 03-18-2005, 05:00 PM

Simple answer. NO! on both counts.

Chio The Pirate · 03-18-2005, 05:08 PM

YARGH! I have to agree with the good ship fungi. AHOY! Where's me Boner!

stev0 · 03-18-2005, 05:12 PM

I haven't tried either to be perfectly honest... I've heard the conversions are nothing special.

Mr. Jim · 03-18-2005, 05:30 PM

I think like anything you have to learn how to market to the right end user.....

I know all the bigger brands we are in biz with are starting to really take a much closer look at the interent divisions as technology becomes an even bigger of the long term picture in the distribution of pics, vids, and even text.

I would expect (as i alwys have) that when the big brands get focused internally on how to maximize the opportunity online we will see some extraordianry growth and opportunity

it is just the way business works....the $trong survive and lead

cool1g · 03-18-2005, 05:32 PM

i do pretty good with some of the hustler sites....some periods i do better than 1:100 with just a bit of niche targeting....

BradShaw · 03-18-2005, 05:33 PM

The only brand that has made me $ is my own brand.

After Shock Media · 03-18-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimholio

it is just the way business works....the $trong survive and lead

And sometimes a few guys in a garage take it all over.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimholio

I think like anything you have to learn how to market to the right end user.....

I know all the bigger brands we are in biz with are starting to really take a much closer look at the interent divisions as technology becomes an even bigger of the long term picture in the distribution of pics, vids, and even text.

I would expect (as i alwys have) that when the big brands get focused internally on how to maximize the opportunity online we will see some extraordianry growth and opportunity

it is just the way business works....the $trong survive and lead

Very well said Jim. I believe that.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cool1g

i do pretty good with some of the hustler sites....some periods i do better than 1:100 with just a bit of niche targeting....

Cool, I would image they do that good.

Mr. Jim · 03-18-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

And sometimes a few guys in a garage take it all over.

agreed but i think you are being a little unrealistic if you think you will beat playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, and the likes

XPays · 03-18-2005, 05:41 PM

missing the whole equation really and the question is kind of naive imho although i know you have been around a while.

if one filters people looking for vivid or hustler etc. to vivid or hustler etc. then it is a no-brainer. are you somehow suggesting that people take all generic traffic and send it at name brands only? official sites of studios only?

or is this another rhetorical question a la raffi et al .... not that there is anything wrong with that

After Shock Media · 03-18-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimholio

agreed but i think you are being a little unrealistic if you think you will beat playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, and the likes

Nah just was a good line to post in response.

pornguy · 03-18-2005, 05:43 PM

They are nothing special. Infact, I convert better with my owns stuff they I ever have from them.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

They are nothing special. Infact, I convert better with my owns stuff they I ever have from them.

You are always going to convert better with the site you put the most effort in. That has been proven with us in the last 9 years. I do think the name branding does help.

XPays · 03-18-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

I do think the name branding does help.

too general - everything is case by case with brand association and conversions

Mr. Jim · 03-18-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

missing the whole equation really and the question is kind of naive imho although i know you have been around a while.

if one filters people looking for vivid or hustler etc. to vivid or hustler etc. then it is a no-brainer. are you somehow suggesting that people take all generic traffic and send it at name brands only? official sites of studios only?

or is this another rhetorical question a la raffi et al .... not that there is anything wrong with that

no not at all..... use the brands to.......market to the niche....if anything what im saying is that the big brands need to get a little niche oriented

with the right knid of marketing to niches that are not covered you are able to meet the needs of the consumer with what they are looking for and there is a brand that is easy to remember and seem a little more on the up and up.....LOLOL...i actually think it is naive to not think they can take a chunk of the pie

when the sleeping bears awake they will find success in any area they want

aeon · 03-18-2005, 05:57 PM

If their sites were sharpened up & promoted properly, they'll do exceptionally well and obviously have a distinct advantage over non branded products. Just "relying" on the name alone won't work.

There's nothing naive about the question - I find it fuckin' interesting actually...someone should take the brand and actually adapt it to the net in a more aggressive way.

XPays · 03-18-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aeon

someone should take the brand and actually adapt it to the net in a more aggressive way.

people are and you won't see them posting about it with samples

axelcat · 03-18-2005, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw

The only brand that has made me $ is my own brand.

thats the only way to do it

aeon · 03-18-2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

people are and you won't see them posting about it with samples

I'm sure you're right

That gets this thread off track tho...branding is an interesting topic. The ability to carry a brand from traditional media to the net and vice versa is something that isn't really explored much, which is a shame.

Juicy D. Links · 03-18-2005, 06:18 PM

Dave whats your email dog ruff urfff

XPays · 03-18-2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimholio

when the sleeping bears awake they will find success in any area they want

they already are - about 2 years ago the change started

XPays · 03-18-2005, 06:24 PM

consolidation is another possibility relative here too -- forward-looking of course

sort of like when there were a gazzillion little mom and pop isp's to buy dial-up from and all anyone cared about was how many dialup numbers they had distributed throughout the world so you could travel and still connect.

there are not too many of those mom and pop isp's anymore - just earthlink

it's all comcast, verizon sbc, etc...

gleem · 03-18-2005, 06:40 PM

bahh, playboy is being outdone in it's own niche (glam nudes) online, just look at sites like:
http://www.met-art.com/new.html
http://errotica-archives.com/

Playboy might have a better design but my traffic always tells me better content is still king..

And hustler, well if they made a site that was more like a magazine with some good writing and truly taseless pics, might sell better, but again they are being way the fuck out done in the hardcore niche by many people on this board.

So my educated answer is... no and no Dave, and

CONTENT IS KING

XPays · 03-18-2005, 06:46 PM

TRAFFIC is KING

unless you are a content co then of course content is king

unless you are a host, then bandwidth is king

etc..

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

TRAFFIC is KING

unless you are a content co then of course content is king

unless you are a host, then bandwidth is king

etc..

I think you need some good traffic and great content. I agree, and I also agree if it was more like their magazine they would sell much more because that is the reason we all buy their magazine. They always have the best content and craziest shit that nobody else has.

Well said Gleem.

brutus · 03-18-2005, 07:59 PM

For me own converts better than hust or play... but advertising at some hustler´s country specific sites is a gold. So...

gleem · 03-18-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

TRAFFIC is KING

etc..

Haha, yes yes, traffic is king, it is always better to have a ton of traffic, than to not have any, but if I had a choice of having 10million uniques a day and super shitty sites to send the traffic to, and 1million uniques and some primo vino sites with great content.. well I'd still just pick the 10million uniques for bragging rights

gleem · 03-18-2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

I think you need some good traffic and great content. I agree, and I also agree if it was more like their magazine they would sell much more because that is the reason we all buy their magazine. They always have the best content and craziest shit that nobody else has.

Well said Gleem.

yeah the secret to millions in this biz is a combination of these things
Lots of YOUR OWN traffic, Great content, lots of quality affiliates pushing your product, a good sponsor.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 03-18-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Dave whats your email dog ruff urfff

With a sig like that you can't tell.
Check my sig Dawg.

JSA Matt · 03-18-2005, 08:18 PM

I think Vivid is the biggest name i've ever made money off of... although I stopped making galleries before Hustler had their cash program

brutus · 03-18-2005, 08:24 PM

"Question for all you money making Webmasters???"
There is no money making webmasters ... it must be a bards tale from 1995!

Aric · 03-18-2005, 08:26 PM

To be perfectly honest, I don't think it has helped, or hurt, us. Sort of just there like an invisible friend (if that makes sense).

Juicy D. Links · 03-18-2005, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

With a sig like that you can't tell.
Check my sig Dawg.

ruff rufff going out clubbing now hunting for tail

Ill hollers at you over weekend

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Mr. Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,372	I think like anything you have to learn how to market to the right end user..... I know all the bigger brands we are in biz with are starting to really take a much closer look at the interent divisions as technology becomes an even bigger of the long term picture in the distribution of pics, vids, and even text. I would expect (as i alwys have) that when the big brands get focused internally on how to maximize the opportunity online we will see some extraordianry growth and opportunity it is just the way business works....the $trong survive and lead

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XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	consolidation is another possibility relative here too -- forward-looking of course sort of like when there were a gazzillion little mom and pop isp's to buy dial-up from and all anyone cared about was how many dialup numbers they had distributed throughout the world so you could travel and still connect. there are not too many of those mom and pop isp's anymore - just earthlink it's all comcast, verizon sbc, etc... __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

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gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	bahh, playboy is being outdone in it's own niche (glam nudes) online, just look at sites like: http://www.met-art.com/new.html http://errotica-archives.com/ Playboy might have a better design but my traffic always tells me better content is still king.. And hustler, well if they made a site that was more like a magazine with some good writing and truly taseless pics, might sell better, but again they are being way the fuck out done in the hardcore niche by many people on this board. So my educated answer is... no and no Dave, and CONTENT IS KING __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

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XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	TRAFFIC is KING unless you are a content co then of course content is king unless you are a host, then bandwidth is king etc.. __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

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Aric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,209	To be perfectly honest, I don't think it has helped, or hurt, us. Sort of just there like an invisible friend (if that makes sense).