Soon the term 'teen' will be banned?

[Dirty Dane]

Like the other word L..... I noticed some sponsors not allowing the use of word 'teen' anymore, in tags, text and domains.
You can not see many promoting domains either with L..... as part of the domain name. So when do you think same will happen for 'teen'?
Not that I think the word is illegal itself, but its the common use of it. I can't really see the difference between the use of 'teen' now and L..... few years back.

My advise is not to buy domains with the word teen (and variatations). Not only it is too common, but it will be useless (?).

[polish_aristocrat]

huh? what sponsors banned the word teen?

[wjxxx]

I don`t think "teen" will be banned.

[brand0n]

eight teen? am i missing something?

[Tipsy]

Like the other word L..... I noticed some sponsors not allowing the use of word 'teen' anymore, in tags, text and domains.
You can not see many promoting domains either with L..... as part of the domain name. So when do you think same will happen for 'teen'?
Not that I think the word is illegal itself, but its the common use of it. I can't really see the difference between the use of 'teen' now and L..... few years back.

My advise is not to buy domains with the word teen (and variatations). Not only it is too common, but it will be useless (?).

Nothing new there and you're getting very confused by the definition of the words teen and lolita. A teen can be legal (18/19) a lolita is usually an attempt to describe an underage girl (or pass legal girls off as being underage) because of its origin. You can't really compare the two other than to say both are under 20.

[webcrawler]

L _ _ _ _ _ , Teens, what's next?

[mrthumbs]

lolita

utj

[Dirty Dane]

huh? what sponsors banned the word teen?

I know ATKCash is not allowing it. Great program btw

[Dirty Dane]

Nothing new there and you're getting very confused by the definition of the words teen and lolita. A teen can be legal (18/19) a lolita is usually an attempt to describe an underage girl (or pass legal girls off as being underage) because of its origin. You can't really compare the two other than to say both are under 20.

But you are right, its all about a definition. Because few years ago a lolita could be 28 year old girl with pigtails. And it still is in real magazines in several countries in Europe. The online communities, however, have defined it as underage. Question is if this will happen with teen. Most teens are under 18

[Tipsy]

But you are right, its all about a definition. Because few years ago a lolita could be 28 year old girl with pigtails. And it still is in real magazines in several countries in Europe. The online communities, however, have defined it as underage. Question is if this will happen with teen. Most teens are under 18

No - you are still very confused. A lolita was NEVER a 28 yr old. A lolita was always used as a term to either describe or suggest that a girl was under the legal age of consent. Have you any clue at all as to where the term lolita originated from?

Again the same cannot be said of the word teen and again it's nothing new. Certain sponsors and payment processors have been 'jittery' about the word teen for many, many years now. But then if you're pushing teen stuff you wouldn't be using such a sponsor if you had any sense.

[hjnet]

I know ATKCash is not allowing it. Great program btw

Do you have a link for that?

[Dirty Dane]

Do you have a link for that?

Go down to the italic in #9
http://www.atkcash.com/index.php?pg=terms.php

[GoodStuff]

What word are you using before 'teen?' If you're using something like 'young t---' then yes some won't allow that. Are you sure it's 'teen' by itself that is the problem?

[GoodStuff]

Go down to the italic in #9
http://www.atkcash.com/index.php?pg=terms.php

Yes they are saying don't use 'teen' in a way that implies the model is underaged. They aren't saying don't use the word teen.

[Theo]

its kind of ironic cause ATK stands for Amateur Teen Kingdom.

[webcrawler]

its kind of ironic cause ATK stands for Amateur Teen Kingdom.

that explains it.

[Dirty Dane]

its kind of ironic cause ATK stands for Amateur Teen Kingdom.

Yes. They changed it too ATKingdom long time ago.

[Tat2Jr]

Yeah, I have that in my terms too. You can reffer to my models as teens, as some are, and being 18 or 19 is perfectly legal, but don't be adding words like "High School" or "Young" or "Lolita" in front of the word teen.

[Dirty Dane]

Yes they are saying don't use 'teen' in a way that implies the model is underaged. They aren't saying don't use the word teen.

As I see it, you are partially wrong there. This is from the newsletter sent out 11th august 2003:

2) We're also asking that all affiliates cease using the word ?teen? to promote
ATK. Any pages that contain our content must not use the word "teen" in the textof the page, title of the page, mets tags, comments, or anywhere else in the html code. No graphics used on these pages may display the word "teen" nor can any links that lead to our sites. We realize this particular change may not sit well with many of you, but there is good news! Each of our sites, as well as our larger affiliates' sites, have been free of the word "teen" for almost a year now, and we have seen absolutely no negative impact on sales. A few terms we suggest to replace "teen" would be Coed, Coeds, College Girls, or to state "18 - 23 Year Old Models". If you have any of our older banners that still contain the word "teen" on them, please go atkcash.com, log in, and replace them immediately. We feel very strongly that the use of the term "teen" will come under increased scrutiny in the future.

We would like to see everyone in compliance with these changes within the next month. We will be checking with the majority of you personally over that time to ensure compliance.

My point is if this will be the common trend.

[HpicAnn]

i dont think teen will be banned what happen with 18 and 19 ...

[GoodStuff]

Yes you are right based on that statement. My bad.

[Dirty Dane]

pre-mature.com is available

[Theo]

i've seen some merc.account contracts that do not allow the use of the word teen.

[Homer]

What's next?

[ModelPerfect]

i dont think teen will be banned what happen with 18 and 19 ...

ATK seems to be using "college age". How long before they're called ACAK? lol
I personally don't see anything wrong with the term, but I guess I can see their point. "Teen" encompasses 7 ages, and only 2 are legal. We in the industry know exactly what each other means by saying "teen", but a green surfer might not.

[Wiggles]

alot of really stupid words are being banned, but probably due to overuse.

[polish_aristocrat]

ATK seems to be using "college age". How long before they're called ACAK? lol
I personally don't see anything wrong with the term, but I guess I can see their point. "Teen" encompasses 7 ages, and only 2 are legal. We in the industry know exactly what each other means by saying "teen", but a green surfer might not.

"babe" or "girl" might also refer to a 16 year old

[spanky part 2]

It cracks me up that "school girl" or "young woman" is ok, but teen isn't.

For some reason the first two sound worse to me.

[andrej_NDC]

I can't really see the difference between the use of 'teen' now and L..... few years back.

you really can't?

[Tipsy]

you really can't?

Read above. Like many the guy's confused about the origin of the word and what it means.

[Dirty Dane]

you really can't?

What I mean is many sites has same content, but just use another word because that was the trend and policy.

[Dirty Dane]

Read above. Like many the guy's confused about the origin of the word and what it means.

I'm fully aware of what it means, based on the novel by Nabokov. But origin has nothing to do with reality, if communities accept it as a good or bad refering word. Its policy, what people think, and it is difference between cultures. If online community decides that 'teen' is a bad word, and ban it, then its bad. Otherwise not.
If you take incest as example, we all know what it means, but that does not mean that the "incest" website really practising it? Its acting. So is it bad then? Well, that's up to the community; cc companies, billing processors, forums etc. Another example is hacking. First in mind is something illegal, but the origin word has nothing to do with illegal actions.
So, I'm not confused. Just curious about future policy

[Tipsy]

I'm fully aware of what it means, based on the novel by Nabokov. But origin has nothing to do with reality, if communities accept it as a good or bad refering word. Its policy, what people think, and it is difference between cultures. If online community decides that 'teen' is a bad word, and ban it, then its bad. Otherwise not.
If you take incest as example, we all know what it means, but that does not mean that the "incest" website really practising it? Its acting. So is it bad then? Well, that's up to the community; cc companies, billing processors, forums etc. Another example is hacking. First in mind is something illegal, but the origin word has nothing to do with illegal actions.
So, I'm not confused. Just curious about future policy

No you're simply wrong on most points and as confused as ever. Also re-read my above posts as the whole thing about some companies not liking the word teen is not new and nothing is different than it was 3-4 years ago.

Lolita always has been a word used to describe or infer that a model is underaged. It remains nothing to do with 20+ year olds. Teen has not - even to those 'not in the business'. To say otherwise shows a HUGE lack of understanding of the business and of the origins of the word no matter how much you run off and Google it afterwards.

WTF though - pointless argument. As I say it's nothing new and your confusion and drivel is nothing that hasn't been posted by those new to the business for many years now I'll leave you to carry on worrying over old threats that are no nearer affecting us now than they were 4 years ago.

[teksonline]

teen is a word that has been banned by Visa and mastercard may soon follow, they have agents that pre-review sites now and you cannot have this term and as well follow a whole page of rules prior to allowing transactions on account to continue

[slapass]

This was a big deal about 2 years ago and seems to have blown over. The good news is we are pretty well self policed in that NO LEGITAMATE webmaster wants any suspicion of underage on their site. Some one mentioned "girls". I try not to ever use that word in my text, and it is never in a meta tag.

[Dirty Dane]

teen is a word that has been banned by Visa and mastercard may soon follow, they have agents that pre-review sites now and you cannot have this term and as well follow a whole page of rules prior to allowing transactions on account to continue

Exactly. If that is future policy, websites has to adapt their use of words. Just like the banning of word lolita.

[Dirty Dane]

No you're simply wrong on most points and as confused as ever. Also re-read my above posts as the whole thing about some companies not liking the word teen is not new and nothing is different than it was 3-4 years ago.

Lolita always has been a word used to describe or infer that a model is underaged. It remains nothing to do with 20+ year olds. Teen has not - even to those 'not in the business'. To say otherwise shows a HUGE lack of understanding of the business and of the origins of the word no matter how much you run off and Google it afterwards.

WTF though - pointless argument. As I say it's nothing new and your confusion and drivel is nothing that hasn't been posted by those new to the business for many years now I'll leave you to carry on worrying over old threats that are no nearer affecting us now than they were 4 years ago.

I dont think you get my point. This is not about what the words means, and the difference between them, or history in this biz. Yes, it is not a new discussion, been in this biz long enough to know that. But I raise the question because when creditcard companies starts moving it will have effects down the hierarchy. This is about future policy, and if 'teen' will be banned the same way as the word 'lolita'. Nothing else.

Btw, many sites used 'lolita' for 18+ sites, just because it was not a banned term by many sponsors or billing companies. If you dont believe me, use the time machine:
http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html

[Barefootsies]

I don't know if it will be outright banned, but I know that there are a number of sites, from pay, link, and tgp's who refuse to list you now if you use 'teen'. I remember wehn Clips4Sale lost their merchant account, they had to be extremely strick when they got a new bank.

A lot of merchants now are having trouble with 'teeen', crush, and so on. PETA is a big source of this for those people who like seeing lizards and bugs crushed (no, I do not understand it either).

So I do not think the industry as a whole will ban it, but there is increasing pressure from merchants, and banks. So just hope you never fall under the crosshairs of the banking regime.

[Denis_SC]

eight teen? am i missing something?

Nine teen . You are not the only one who is missing something I guess

[nico-t]

banning the word is pretty fucking stupid

[ModelPerfect]

"babe" or "girl" might also refer to a 16 year old

That's very true, but those are more generalized terms that could apply to any female, whereas only 2/7 "teens" are legal. Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with the the term myself, but I'm trying to rationalize/understand their position.

[SomeCreep]

Sponsors will always allow the word "teen". There is nothing illegal or unethical with promoting sites using that word. The only thing sponsors will not allow is the use of "young" and "pre" in front of "teen".

[Stacey_JoinRightNow]

i don't think it will be banned...others sponsors might ban it but only small percent of them.TEEN term has been part of adult BIZ, it will never stay away from this biz, that's for sure

[Rui]

Many many tgp's & linklists have been banning the word teen for quite awhile...

[jimmyf]

if they ban it I'll stop using it,
I took the word young out of all my pages along time ago, the same time they banned Lolita saw it coming.