[Acacia News] This is f*cked up - GoFuckYourself.com

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 11:13 AM

I've been battling it out with Yahoo posters on the Yahoo board who continue to post their ignorance (and sworn love) for Acacia.

Recent development of news has revealed that HomeGrown Video had a license via Voice Media who was running their program. The Yahooligans jumped in to argue with me that 2 previous AVn articles mentioned this fact (Ira Rothken, attorney for Voice Media was cited for the comments).

Below is my summary post to condense the news:

In both the AVN articles presented, it was Ira Rothken (attorney for Voice Media) that made the statements about HomeGrown having a license.

The patent license is a confidential agreement that HomeGrown has no access to. If Ira said back then they had a license, HomeGrown had no way of knowing or verifying.

It was only recently through discovery in their dispute with Voice Media did it become clear to HomeGrown about what Voice Media had done.

So what Ira said can be taken as speculation, because HomeGrown had no facts. It appears now that HomeGrown has alot of facts about this issue.

What's more interesting is that the patent license should have some auditing/documentation appendix to list out the domains and what revenue comes from each domain, in order to compute licensing fees. If this is true, then HOMEGROWNVIDEO.COM would have a line item with revenue generated from the "use of the patent", with appropriate fees applied.

So Acacia management would HAVE to have known this fact.

So EVEN NOW, that this fact is presented, why is HomeGrown a defendant when it appears they have a license?

My recap:

1) HomeGrown was sued by Acacia

2) About 2 months later, CE Cash/ Voice Media was sued

3) CE Cash / VoiceMedia took a license

4) CE Cash/ Voice Media acquired a license for HomeGrown

5) Recent discovery between conflict of HomeGrown and CE Cash revealed that HomeGrown had a license but never knew about it

6) HomeGrown is STILL the lead defendant in the case for PATENT INFRINGEMENT by Acacia.

Now then, a defendant doesn't have to ASK to be dropped from a lawsuit. If the grounds for the lawsuit are no longer there, the plantiff should be dropping them.

Why is HomeGrown STILL a defendant when Acacia KNEW that they had a license?

My conspiracy theory is that Acacia thought that Homegrown had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and once they found out they didn't, they had to keep going with the story.

So HomeGrown has been spending 6 digit numbers to DEFEND ITSELF in a patent infringement case, where they had a patent license (and didn't know about) and Acacia continues to rack up their legal bills as the lead defendant.

Fight the Words of Mass Documentation!

Triple 6 · 03-15-2005, 11:14 AM

woops i thought this shit was over with ,

guess not

NaughtyRob · 03-15-2005, 11:16 AM

Acacia =

JFK · 03-15-2005, 11:16 AM

Bastards

as the stomach turns

wjxxx · 03-15-2005, 11:18 AM

Acacia

brand0n · 03-15-2005, 11:19 AM

acacia can lick my bals

ofcourse i dont have any feeds on my sites lol

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple 6

woops i thought this shit was over with ,

From http://www.FightThePatent.com

30 Second Summary: Acacia

Update: 11-Mar

The outcome (court doc) of the multi-district panel is that all the cable lawsuits are rolled up under Judge Ware in Northern District.

Judge Ware is currently handling the porn/internet defendants in Central District, and it seems up to him about whether he will combine the cases or not since there are many overlaping claims, and the fact that prior art for the internet claims will apply to the cable ones.

Next court date is March 24th, where the judge will probably be exploring the cable and internet cases and decide how to proceed from there.

Now that this stalling action has been resolved, the defendants can push forward and resume their filing for Motion for Summary Judgement.

For those that read the Markman, Judge Ware said TWICE that the defendants should file for Summary Judgement.

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It turns out that Homegrown Video / New Destiny, who is being sued by Acacia for patent infringement, actually has a patent license (though unbeknowngst to them until recently).

The company that was managing their operations negotiated a license that included HomeGrown Video.

It remains to be seen why Acacia didn't drop HomeGrown from the lawsuit.

Besides not understanding technology and making up interpretations of patent claims, it appears that Acacia has sued a company that has a license.

Ranks right up there with the RIAA suing a dead person.

Fight the lack of an RSS feed!

Rick Latona · 03-15-2005, 11:22 AM

Best wishes to Homegrown and all those involved in the fight.

RawAlex · 03-15-2005, 11:32 AM

I would think that homegrown will be able to argue that they were not aware, and that the license was bought by a third party without their knowledge, and that thier business plan would never have included such a purchase (which explains the lawsuit). Further, neither Acacia nor Homegrown appear to have been aware of the license AS IT APPLIED TO HOMEGROWN. I think that this might have been one of those "cover all our sites" moves that included homegrown only when it was part of the CE programs.

Depending on the structure of the CE/Homegrown deal, CE may not have been in position to take a licensing action without Homegrown's permission.

I am sure this thread will develop nicely now.

Alex

SykkBoy · 03-15-2005, 11:35 AM

sadly this thread will probably die due to a lack of Britney Spears is fat comments and lesbian pictures.....

this is an interesting turn of events for sure.....

Spunky · 03-15-2005, 11:35 AM

Damn..I thought those fuckers were broke by now..guess not

Aly · 03-15-2005, 11:38 AM

WOW... This is fascinating. Thanks Darling.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 11:45 AM

HAhahahahahah!
Yes let's play stupid now...

Snake Doctor · 03-15-2005, 11:50 AM

Something I think should be pointed out is that CE has no business relationship with homegrownvideo any longer.
So even if CE bought a license to cover all of the web properties they represent, Homegrown leaving that umbrella would void their protection under that deal.
So they're still defendandts.

Big Fish 47 · 03-15-2005, 11:51 AM

Let me know when Acacia is done, so I can get my site back online.

nikki99 · 03-15-2005, 11:52 AM

22 acacia avenue

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 11:52 AM

I wish I could comment further but I will have to wait until our lawsuit is resolved. (about 35 days from now!!!)

For the record, it did come as a complete shock that we were licensed without our consent.

Fight the abuse of Homegrown Video's copyrights and trademarks!!!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 11:56 AM

Fishing for another reason to file somthing else?

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Something I think should be pointed out is that CE has no business relationship with homegrownvideo any longer.
So even if CE bought a license to cover all of the web properties they represent, Homegrown leaving that umbrella would void their protection under that deal.
So they're still defendandts.

lol, best not to comment on things you know nothing about...

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

So even if CE bought a license to cover all of the web properties they represent, Homegrown leaving that umbrella would void their protection under that deal.
So they're still defendandts.

Point taken, but the issue here is that HomeGrown is involved in a lawsuit that they shouldn't be a defendant in the beginning.

If things were on the up-and-up, HomeGrown could be added as a NEW defendant to the case when they separated from under "the umbrella".

While the end result as you pointed out, that they would be a defendant, how they get to this point is a serious legal issue.

This might be the way that HomeGrown can reclaim money (and maybe even damages) for being improperly sued.

Fight the Rainy Days!

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

lol, best not to comment on things you know nothing about...

be nice Far-L, we all comment on things we know nothing about from time to time.

Fight the Comments!

LeeNoga · 03-15-2005, 12:11 PM

All the best Far-L, I know you want this all over with, thank God you have strong products and great success which enables you to handle these extreme defendant costs.

iwantchixx · 03-15-2005, 12:14 PM

absolutely amazing. Doesn't look good for them. But then again, they could argue that you were under the pretense of having no liscence and still pursue you on ethical grounds. This is North America so they could prolly still win. Sadly.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeNoga

All the best Far-L, I know you want this all over with, thank God you have strong products and great success which enables you to handle these extreme defendant costs.

Or maybe just STFU, and collect money...
Tough life choices.

This is one of those things I could never understand...
Why successful people utilise so much energy, so much effort and chose a path of ignorance.

It's so expensive. One could put a daughter through college, ride in the fucken finest car's and and have a pimp pad with water fall's in the back yard. Is the world not enough they goto be dumb and blow million's on shit for nothing.

Sigh...

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeNoga

All the best Far-L, I know you want this all over with, thank God you have strong products and great success which enables you to handle these extreme defendant costs.

Thanks Lee!

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Or maybe just STFU, and collect money...
Tough life choices.

This is one of those things I could never understand...
Why successful people utilise so much energy, so much effort and chose a path of ignorance.

It's so expensive. One could put a daughter through college, ride in the fucken finest car's and and have a pimp pad with water fall's in the back yard. Is the world not enough they goto be dumb and blow million's on shit for nothing.

Sigh...

I think your friends and family need to seriously consider a radical intervention before you do much more damage to yourself... lay offf the crack pipe before you hurt yourself!!!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 12:36 PM

Hows this fighting make you money? It don't...

Your a poor business man that got a lucky break.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 12:40 PM

Infact I would go so far to say that you would be nothing if it were not for CE back in the day. You would have been just another Video Label that prolly would have fried out in late 90's as the internet would have proceeded to beat your ass.

Ya had a gift and ya fucked it, in my honest opinion.

chodadog · 03-15-2005, 12:46 PM

Another pearl of stupity from AlienQ. Thanks for the laughs, man.

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hows this fighting make you money? It don't...

You are correct, it don't.. but that's not why over a dozen top-notch companies are "blowing" the profits from their companies to think their defense will "make them money". Fighting and winning could save money.

Sometimes, you need to take a stand and if you have the bankroll to do so, then you can make a difference. Some companies don't like it when someone tries to ram patent licenses up their a**.

This is probably how you are looking at it:

Think about the margins and play along with your own home version of this game (numbers are guestimated and can be tweaked to your guesses):

- Assume a paysite makes 1M in gross revenue a year

- A paysite pays out about 60% of their gross to affiliates
- Overhead expenses (hosting, b/w, employees, advertising, etc) about 25% of gross

---------------------------
Gross Profit $150,000

- Acacia's 4% licensing on GROSS revenue (1M x 0.02) = $40,000

----------------------------
Net Profit = $110,000

The 4% GROSS turns out to take 26% of Net Profits
(i forgot to factor in taxes as well, but you get the picture).

So that's $40K / year and growing for licensing. After 5 years, total payout would be a minimum of $200,000

So besides the whole "moral" issue of taking a stand, it makes economic sense to fight (as long of course that you win.. and the defendants will win).

Fight the Analysis!

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Infact I would go so far to say that you would be nothing if it were not for CE back in the day. You would have been just another Video Label that prolly would have fried out in late 90's as the internet would have proceeded to beat your ass.

Ya had a gift and ya fucked it, in my honest opinion.

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Hold on....

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wait, wait, wait

LLOOOLOLOOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHOOAHAOAHAOAOAOAaaaaa.. ..

Snake Doctor · 03-15-2005, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Point taken, but the issue here is that HomeGrown is involved in a lawsuit that they shouldn't be a defendant in the beginning.

If things were on the up-and-up, HomeGrown could be added as a NEW defendant to the case when they separated from under "the umbrella".

While the end result as you pointed out, that they would be a defendant, how they get to this point is a serious legal issue.

This might be the way that HomeGrown can reclaim money (and maybe even damages) for being improperly sued.

Fight the Rainy Days!

That would be sweet if Homegrown not only overturned the patents in court and got reimbursed for their legal fees, but then recovered damages from Acacia.

Oh the poetic justice.

Far-L · 03-15-2005, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

That would be sweet if Homegrown not only overturned the patents in court and got reimbursed for their legal fees, but then recovered damages from Acacia.

Oh the poetic justice.

Sorry for giving you a hard time in the previous post... very touchy subject...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 01:13 PM

Don't get me wrong, its not that I think ACACIA should get respect for it's Patent's. They are bogus in my opinion and an abuse of the system.

I like Far L and dislike em for some of the choices along the path of all of this.
Guess I come from the roots of always respecting those who made me in this path called life...

But sure as shit...
Put a million in my bank with a good rate and I would be out of this mother fucker, folks wouldnt hear god damn peep from me nor would I galavant around the industry bad mouthing those that made the dream come true...

Anyways...
This accused crack head is going to design some more shit that converts, while you big boy idiots waist your money.

chodadog · 03-15-2005, 01:19 PM

How can you see fighthing against a bogus patent that could amount to as much as 40 or 50 percent of lost net profits a "waste of money" ?

You're a tool.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

How can you see fighthing against a bogus patent that could amount to as much as 40 or 50 percent of lost net profits a "waste of money" ?

You're a tool.

Cuz ya would get back...
It doesnt take a genious to figure out this was the wrong battle at the wrong time. Microsoft would have snuffed them out in half the time then retribution would be dealt with for the losses in paying an ACACIA "Liscense" in the aftermath.

Licensing would have been more of an investment...

Duh...

You people are really fucken stupid its amazing.

chodadog · 03-15-2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Cuz ya would get back...
It doesnt take a genious to figure out this was the wrong battle at the wrong time. Microsoft would have snuffed them out in half the time then retribution would be dealt with for the losses in paying an ACACIA "Liscense" in the aftermath.

Licensing would have been more of an investment...

Duh...

You people are really fucken stupid its amazing.

So in the meantime, you just lose half your net profits waiting for the big boys to address this issue in what... 3 years.. 5 years... 10 years? And who's to say they wouldn't just buy the patent and the associated licenses themselves. It's been done before when doing so has worked out to be cheaper than a legal challenge.

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Cuz ya would get back...
It doesnt take a genious to figure out this was the wrong battle at the wrong time. Microsoft would have snuffed them out in half the time then retribution would be dealt with for the losses in paying an ACACIA "Liscense" in the aftermath.

You are missing something in your analysis.

When the current defendants get a non-infringement verdict, it does not invalidate the patent. INvalidating the patent is a different process, one that the defendants will most likely not attempt.

All of the companies that have licensed with Acacia will be required to continue to pay them licensing. The terms of the contract state IF the patent is found INVALID, then the contract is void.

A non-infringement verdict is not an INVALIDATION of the patent.

So it does make sense to fight the infringement claims, could actually be cheaper in the long run, but certainly more expensive in the short term.

It is a short-term near-sightedness that those that settled with acacia, thinking they got off cheap, will have to continue to pay them royalties until 2011 when the patent expires.

Fight the Short Term!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 01:33 PM

Chodadog ya better becareful they accused me of being a crackhead. Yur sounding more insane than me now...
When your mouth is removed from Far L's cock just remember how the cum tasted and think a little before jumping a band wagon.

mardigras · 03-15-2005, 01:34 PM

I thought Acacia was busy trying to patent logins and air

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

That would be sweet if Homegrown not only overturned the patents in court and got reimbursed for their legal fees, but then recovered damages from Acacia.

The travesty here is that WHEN the defense group wins, they won't get their money back. Patent litigation does not have "loser pays" as it does in Europe.

The way to recover some money is take them to court for their tactics.. um.. something like SUING A COMPANY THAT THEY KNEW HAD A LICENSE.

Now that will be poetic justice, maybe even a haiku.

Acacia so bad
Steamrolling, taking money
Expose their tactics

Fight the Poets who didn't know it!

BVF · 03-15-2005, 01:37 PM

I'm getting to the point to where I can move offshore if shit gets hot. I'll just have to dip out of the country and move my hosting although I'd hate to move from my great host (webair) who has been great to me.

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras

I thought Acacia was busy trying to patent logins and air

Someone else already did that.. they are out trying to convince people to license those bogus patents

Fight the Pretend Patents!

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

I'm getting to the point to where I can move offshore if shit gets hot.

Acacia and other would be patent-wielding foes have same US patents filed in other countries. Leaving the US won't get you around other patent infringement claims from international countries.

Fight the Running Man!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 01:41 PM

FightTHisPatent it won't play out to 2011, the Patent fails the litmus test anyways, Microsoft or the MPEG Consortium would invalidate it or even a move to the Patent Office issueing a false patent by showing the USPTO the cross claims thus revoking it. I was the VERY first guy to come out publicly saying it is not valid. Infact I pointed you at one point to information relating to the claims with MPEG.

Between when this started and 2011, ACACIA's headstone will/would happen before that and losses would be collected in the aftermath.
I been wrong before I admit, but thats how I would have played it and recovered the losses.

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2005, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

FightTHisPatent it won't play out to 2011, the Patent fails the litmus test anyways, Microsoft or the MPEG Consortium would invalidate it or even a move to the Patent Office issueing a false patent by showing the USPTO the cross claims thus revoking it.

Ltimus test? If there was ever such a thing, you think the defendants would STILL be spending money for attorneys?? It's just not that simple.

In the SightSound vs. BMG case, it took 7 years in court before Sighsight prevailed over BMG for their broad patent of the purchasing of digital files from a web site.

If M$ was not targeted for patent infringement, then M$ would have no reason to jump in. M$ did say they would help those that were targeted by patent infringements that used their software, but that's just been said in a press release.

MPEG does not qualify as prior art. While the specs for it pre-date the patent, it takes someone that distributes an MPEG file from a remote server in order to apply to the patent. The DMT patent relies on technologies like MPEG to handle the compression part in the distribution system.

Your point is that all adult companies should just pay acacia and move on with making money in their business, and they mone that is spent is chalked up as a price for not having a spine.

Acacia still has on the table a class action lawsuit to roll up all adult companies. So why fight it, let them have their class action, get a default verdict since no need to pay attorneys, and then all pay them their money (with auditing rights), and then wait for M$ or maybe the cable companies to get a non-infringement verdict, that would still cause licensees to pay since the patent was not invalidated.

It's a very flawed logic and case that you are presenting.

If you were faced with Acacia telling you to pay up or get sued, you may take the "pay up" route.. and that's fine by me, you can run your business as you see fit, certainly bigger companies have taken a license that had much deeper pockets.

But when you have a large group of companies who are standing up and fighting against something that everyone will benefit (and spending alot of money to do so), your negativity becomes another dagger into the backs of those that are taking a stand.

Fight the Sharp Pointy Things!

chodadog · 03-15-2005, 02:13 PM

FTP, you're wasting your time. Didn't you know that as well as being the world's greatest web designer, AlienQ is also the leading authority on patent and contract law?

adonthenet · 03-15-2005, 02:14 PM

: Acacia!!

PrivateIvy · 03-15-2005, 02:14 PM

Acacia sucks

Ivy

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-15-2005, 02:17 PM

"MPEG does not qualify as prior art. While the specs for it pre-date the patent, it takes someone that distributes an MPEG file from a remote server in order to apply to the patent."

Umm...
Thats what MPEG is. You put it on a server people download it. Umm what part of that is not covered in the claims? Or is this just a situation in itself where the attornies do not know what the fuck they are talking about?

FarL might have been better off just walking in with the MPEG Consortiums patent list and skipping over to TODAI's for sushi.

Microsoft would have plenty of reasn t jump in, and its a shame no one took Microsoft up on it's offer. M$ would have jumped in realising that there server software sales are suffering from the patent liscenses.

Ya can bet they would like to increase the number of sales and increase the price of there software without clients terrified of paying liscense fee's to a bunch of Nazi Lawyers. If thats not incentive enough for em I dunno what is.

03-15-2005, 11:13 AM	#1
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	*[Acacia News] This is fcked up** I've been battling it out with Yahoo posters on the Yahoo board who continue to post their ignorance (and sworn love) for Acacia. Recent development of news has revealed that HomeGrown Video had a license via Voice Media who was running their program. The Yahooligans jumped in to argue with me that 2 previous AVn articles mentioned this fact (Ira Rothken, attorney for Voice Media was cited for the comments). Below is my summary post to condense the news: In both the AVN articles presented, it was Ira Rothken (attorney for Voice Media) that made the statements about HomeGrown having a license. The patent license is a confidential agreement that HomeGrown has no access to. If Ira said back then they had a license, HomeGrown had no way of knowing or verifying. It was only recently through discovery in their dispute with Voice Media did it become clear to HomeGrown about what Voice Media had done. So what Ira said can be taken as speculation, because HomeGrown had no facts. It appears now that HomeGrown has alot of facts about this issue. What's more interesting is that the patent license should have some auditing/documentation appendix to list out the domains and what revenue comes from each domain, in order to compute licensing fees. If this is true, then HOMEGROWNVIDEO.COM would have a line item with revenue generated from the "use of the patent", with appropriate fees applied. So Acacia management would HAVE to have known this fact. So EVEN NOW, that this fact is presented, why is HomeGrown a defendant when it appears they have a license? My recap: 1) HomeGrown was sued by Acacia 2) About 2 months later, CE Cash/ Voice Media was sued 3) CE Cash / VoiceMedia took a license 4) CE Cash/ Voice Media acquired a license for HomeGrown 5) Recent discovery between conflict of HomeGrown and CE Cash revealed that HomeGrown had a license but never knew about it 6) HomeGrown is STILL the lead defendant in the case for PATENT INFRINGEMENT by Acacia. Now then, a defendant doesn't have to ASK to be dropped from a lawsuit. If the grounds for the lawsuit are no longer there, the plantiff should be dropping them. Why is HomeGrown STILL a defendant when Acacia KNEW that they had a license? My conspiracy theory is that Acacia thought that Homegrown had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and once they found out they didn't, they had to keep going with the story. So HomeGrown has been spending 6 digit numbers to DEFEND ITSELF in a patent infringement case, where they had a patent license (and didn't know about) and Acacia continues to rack up their legal bills as the lead defendant. Fight the Words of Mass Documentation! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957 Last edited by FightThisPatent; 03-15-2005 at 11:14 AM..

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I would think that homegrown will be able to argue that they were not aware, and that the license was bought by a third party without their knowledge, and that thier business plan would never have included such a purchase (which explains the lawsuit). Further, neither Acacia nor Homegrown appear to have been aware of the license AS IT APPLIED TO HOMEGROWN. I think that this might have been one of those "cover all our sites" moves that included homegrown only when it was part of the CE programs. Depending on the structure of the CE/Homegrown deal, CE may not have been in position to take a licensing action without Homegrown's permission. I am sure this thread will develop nicely now. Alex

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03-15-2005, 11:50 AM	#14
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Something I think should be pointed out is that CE has no business relationship with homegrownvideo any longer. So even if CE bought a license to cover all of the web properties they represent, Homegrown leaving that umbrella would void their protection under that deal. So they're still defendandts. __________________ sig too big

03-15-2005, 11:51 AM	#15
Big Fish 47 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,035	Let me know when Acacia is done, so I can get my site back online. __________________

03-15-2005, 11:52 AM	#16
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03-15-2005, 11:52 AM	#17
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	I wish I could comment further but I will have to wait until our lawsuit is resolved. (about 35 days from now!!!) For the record, it did come as a complete shock that we were licensed without our consent. Fight the abuse of Homegrown Video's copyrights and trademarks!!! __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

03-15-2005, 11:56 AM	#18
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Fishing for another reason to file somthing else? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-15-2005, 12:11 PM	#22
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	All the best Far-L, I know you want this all over with, thank God you have strong products and great success which enables you to handle these extreme defendant costs.

03-15-2005, 12:14 PM	#23
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	absolutely amazing. Doesn't look good for them. But then again, they could argue that you were under the pretense of having no liscence and still pursue you on ethical grounds. This is North America so they could prolly still win. Sadly.

03-15-2005, 12:36 PM	#27
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Hows this fighting make you money? It don't... Your a poor business man that got a lucky break. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-15-2005, 12:40 PM	#28
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Infact I would go so far to say that you would be nothing if it were not for CE back in the day. You would have been just another Video Label that prolly would have fried out in late 90's as the internet would have proceeded to beat your ass. Ya had a gift and ya fucked it, in my honest opinion. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-15-2005, 12:46 PM	#29
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Another pearl of stupity from AlienQ. Thanks for the laughs, man. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-15-2005, 01:13 PM	#34
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Don't get me wrong, its not that I think ACACIA should get respect for it's Patent's. They are bogus in my opinion and an abuse of the system. I like Far L and dislike em for some of the choices along the path of all of this. Guess I come from the roots of always respecting those who made me in this path called life... But sure as shit... Put a million in my bank with a good rate and I would be out of this mother fucker, folks wouldnt hear god damn peep from me nor would I galavant around the industry bad mouthing those that made the dream come true... Anyways... This accused crack head is going to design some more shit that converts, while you big boy idiots waist your money. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 03-15-2005 at 01:14 PM..

03-15-2005, 01:19 PM	#35
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	How can you see fighthing against a bogus patent that could amount to as much as 40 or 50 percent of lost net profits a "waste of money" ? You're a tool. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-15-2005, 01:33 PM	#39
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Chodadog ya better becareful they accused me of being a crackhead. Yur sounding more insane than me now... When your mouth is removed from Far L's cock just remember how the cum tasted and think a little before jumping a band wagon. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-15-2005, 01:34 PM	#40
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	I thought Acacia was busy trying to patent logins and air

03-15-2005, 01:37 PM	#42
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I'm getting to the point to where I can move offshore if shit gets hot. I'll just have to dip out of the country and move my hosting although I'd hate to move from my great host (webair) who has been great to me. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

03-15-2005, 01:41 PM	#45
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	FightTHisPatent it won't play out to 2011, the Patent fails the litmus test anyways, Microsoft or the MPEG Consortium would invalidate it or even a move to the Patent Office issueing a false patent by showing the USPTO the cross claims thus revoking it. I was the VERY first guy to come out publicly saying it is not valid. Infact I pointed you at one point to information relating to the claims with MPEG. Between when this started and 2011, ACACIA's headstone will/would happen before that and losses would be collected in the aftermath. I been wrong before I admit, but thats how I would have played it and recovered the losses. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-15-2005, 02:13 PM	#47
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	FTP, you're wasting your time. Didn't you know that as well as being the world's greatest web designer, AlienQ is also the leading authority on patent and contract law? __________________ 26 + 6 = 1 Last edited by chodadog; 03-15-2005 at 02:15 PM..

03-15-2005, 02:14 PM	#48
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	: Acacia!!

03-15-2005, 02:14 PM	#49
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	Acacia sucks Ivy

03-15-2005, 02:17 PM	#50
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	"MPEG does not qualify as prior art. While the specs for it pre-date the patent, it takes someone that distributes an MPEG file from a remote server in order to apply to the patent." Umm... Thats what MPEG is. You put it on a server people download it. Umm what part of that is not covered in the claims? Or is this just a situation in itself where the attornies do not know what the fuck they are talking about? FarL might have been better off just walking in with the MPEG Consortiums patent list and skipping over to TODAI's for sushi. Microsoft would have plenty of reasn t jump in, and its a shame no one took Microsoft up on it's offer. M$ would have jumped in realising that there server software sales are suffering from the patent liscenses. Ya can bet they would like to increase the number of sales and increase the price of there software without clients terrified of paying liscense fee's to a bunch of Nazi Lawyers. If thats not incentive enough for em I dunno what is. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 03-15-2005 at 02:19 PM..