MPEG describes a file format. The DMT patent is very broadly interpreted to mean, you take content that isn't digitized, you digitize it, you compress it, you put it on a server, you retrieve the file, and you play it back.

MPEG is not the smoking gun prior art, it is just one of the pieces in the process patent. If it weren't for formats like MPEG, then none of this would be possible.

MPEG is not the prior art that invalidates the patent. Let me repeat this one last time, because some smart attorneys have said the same, MPEG is not the prior art that invalidates the patent.

VIdeos and audio files that were downloaded from BBS days is a much better prior art example.




For the sake of the discussion, let's say he did that.. then what? The MPEG consortium is going to reach into their consortiums' dues coffer and give "pornographers" money to fight against Acacia???



M$ made their "offering" to help companies engaged in patent infringement issues well after HomeGrown was sued (and they were using Windows Media).

M$ may have been contacted, but still the issue remains for much of mainstream, the stigma of adult.. the irony of course is that so much of the streaming video is done by adult... so many mainstream companies have connections into adult and are making money from "porn" , but choose to sit on the side of rightiousness when it comes to public defense of adult entertainment companies.



You would think... but, M$ isn't the only major company that could have gotten involved. Real Networks, Apple, etc.. they provide technology that enables streaming video...

So there is no shining mainstream white knight that will save the defendants. The defendants are the "white knights" for the entire adult industry and mainstream.


Fight the Fairy Tales!

I seem to recall some people thinking i was wasting my time with all my postings about Acacia in the beginning.

:winkwink:


Fight the Slings and Arrows!

Wow... why didn't we think of that before! Gee, Alien, what would we ever do without you!

Do you know how to fix leaky faucets too?

Indeed. :winkwink:

But AlienQ is never wrong. This guy thinks he's the be all and end all of the online adult business. It doesn't matter what facts you present to him, he'll stick to whatever ignorant notion he had prior to being informed.

MPEG/AVI/WAV both near the same pieces. Any MPEG/AVI/WAVE Patents that cross can kill the Acacia Patent from BBS days. Perhaps Ya guys were not looking hard enough at the cross claims?

Anyways...

"M$ may have been contacted, but still the issue remains for much of mainstream, the stigma of adult.. the irony of course is that so much of the streaming video is done by adult... so many mainstream companies have connections into adult and are making money from "porn" , but choose to sit on the side of rightiousness when it comes to public defense of adult entertainment companies."

So in your thoughts Adult is the end all to major mainstream corporations thinking for profit and decision making? If thats the case they would definatly come in I have no doubts that they would do it before expiration. Once realising the losses in Providing server software to Mainstream and Adult.

That event is inevitable in the scenerio. Ya can convince yourself they never would but M$ taking action is the only thing that makes sense as Mainstream branches into the Net. Especially with the advent of HD and of course Hollywood comming in more aggressively these days.
Time will tell.

So in otherwards, Ya guys saved your own asses and didnt really save anyone elses with the exception of setting Precedence?

I knew i should have filed the patent for signing a post with a Fight the...... tagline


dangnabit!


Fight the Fight the!

I am lucky that I am not as dumb as I look. You are lucky that you don't look as dumb as you are. If we get out on non infringement then others would simply have to deliver their video like any one of the defense group does and acacia could not do anything to them. The only ones that would be paying licenses from acacia would be all those that signed one already as a business decision.

:1orglaugh

You mean you would want to charge me for my homage?

My haiku for the day... after the laugh and inspiration i got from yours:

my own decisions
for better or worse or else
are mine to die by

Ah, yes, and this is why you are the multi- millionaire success story that you are.

Acacia is bad for business...

I needed that man....sooo true on both accounts


:1orglaugh :winkwink: :thumbsup :pimp

SO many haters so little time.

I just don't agree with FarL's method through out this...
Glad to see the usual choire of sheep move along with nothing of any value or substance to add to the discussion.

BAH BAH BAH!....

To bad most you tards can not think and lack your own opinion. It must suck to be you.

Do you enjoy disparaging people with less than your pathetic life all ready holds? Hope ya feel good, but a cheap smile and even cheaper lipstick won't last ya to long...
Your such a little lamb...

I didn't take it personally.....you've been in a mood lately

please elaborate... so i know what methods and tactics to copy and which ones to avoid.


Fight the CopyCats!

Lay down like a bitch and let Acacia fuck you in the ass for half your net profits until the likes of Microsoft decide to deal with this problem 5 years down the road. That's the impression i'm getting from him.

alien - yeah of course you are entitled to your opinion. it just seems naive to undermine the very clients that put money in designers' pockets. more money in legal and/or licensing and less money for development-

it's so easy for professionals to bury their heads in the sand and pass judgement while their peers bear the burdon.

all of the insults you pass around mixed in with your opinions reflect poorly on you. one can be a sheep too if they conistently take the minority stance automatically just to be controversial.

Evan ya might wanna run through the thread again.

I didnt start passing the insults.
I got accused of using crack...

PS: Not trying to be controversial bro...
I was attempting to have a discussion. It still remains that FarL is a bad business man.
Being armed to the teeth with attornies don't mean a thing. Well it just means idiots with money get very stupid to, its not just a simpletons epidemic.

FarL also insulted my family, that my family needs intervention...

Goes to show ya true clors.

granted i do not get to follow gfy throughout the day. but lately it seems you have been extra extra hostile to a lot of people. Just an observation. Going back to minding my own beeswax now...

Not alot...
Just the same ones.
Hell I even said earlier in this thread FarL was good for one thing but bad on another side of the coin. I admire his confusion I guess...

Its fascinating.
How does a guy manage to go to fight CE whom supposedly had em covered by default, join a band of other companies file charges of miles and miles of shit on a company that made em then stand around thinking he is a hero when all he did was save his own ass? Correction barely saved his own ass.

Its really FASCINATING!

I will take it a leg further...

Ya guys talkin about cost this cost that and lawyer fee's 1/2 money gone bullshit.

How much is going to cost a cmpany these days unable to protect there content and not stream it? How about when it all started? Ya folks tell me what the safer road is...

A company unable to do the above is out of business or stuck passing around beta tapes and VHS. What a joke. Do the math on not being able to protect content do the math on not being able to stream it...

Wouldnt it have been easier all along to STFU and fasten a seat belt and wait for the right time and place to battle? I think so.

you seem to have A lot of weird opinions - what extactly do you do?

I do little more than just run a TGP in some half cocked fasion calling everyone idiots while shipping cheap PC's to contest winners.

What you don't know by now? Are you really some kind of fucken retard?

I think you are missing something (again). The lawsuit with Voice Media/CE has everthing to do with alleged shaving of millions of dollars from HomeGrown. Nothing about Acacia.

It just happens that HomeGrown got hit with a double legal whammy of having to hire attorneys to fight acacia, and another set of attorneys to deal with Voice Media.

I don't see how this makes Far-L a bad business man. His company had a bad business relationship and have to resort to civil lawsuit to deal with.



Fight the Gillette!

which is a good thing since it will result in more companies thinking twice about settling bogus patent claims

And dont worry, as soon as this one is over with, acacia will pull something else out of thier magic asses.

They already have.. the acquired 27 patents that are very broad.

Round 1 was V-chip - knocked down by Sony

Round 2 is DMT - will be knocked down by defendants

Round3 is Hotspot patent - this ones is in la-la land

Round 4 - 31 - breaking down each patent because most likely based on history, they going to make up what they want the patents to mean.



Fight the Never Ending Story!

This thread could use some popcorn. :1orglaugh

Easier, yes. Right? Doubtful, and here's why. For every company that "fastens a seatbelt", that means they basically have to purchase a license, which means Acacian grows stronger.

A stronger Acacia is a good thing how again?

And, you keep stating what WILL happen in the next 5 years regarding M$ and the other mainstream 'bigs' like you know for a fact. However, the only fact is that you're really in the same boat as the rest of us, in that you know fuck ALL about what is going to happen. I propose that you yourself STFU and let those who have the balls to stand up and fight for this industry do so.

I'll take it a leg further.... why not get off your uber-entrepreneurial ass and go make a donation to the IMPA? Come on, be a real cowboy.

Here is a depressing summary of various patents that could be employed in a website:

http://www.dotmon.com/


Fight the Patent Insanity!

Well...
Thats still for the courts to decide. I have no doubts that CE will come out on top of that whole issue.
Again time will tell FTP. But in the meanwhile....

I would almost think that spreading such about that issue to the industry is pretty negligent unless proven. But this in itself is entirelly a different topic.

Yes double whammy "Bad Relationship" + "Acacia" and how many dollars later?
This is what I am talkin about "Business" decisions. Poor ones at that.

Your phrase should not read "Fight the Gillette",but "Fight Time Consuming And Millions for nothing"

At the rate he is cruising FarL will be next to Al Goldstien in a New York Bagel factory taking orders.

It seems your "loyalty" to CE includes wearing blinders. You must not have been reading any of the AVN articles about HomeGrown vs Voice Media / CE for all kinds of bad business activities. The court date is in about 45 days.

I'm not "spreading" anything negligent, it's all been publically documented. This must be the first time you are reading about it.

Will your world come to end when Voice Media is found to be guilty of the bad things that you would feel strong against (shaving, not cancelling people's membership on request, double billing, and other bad/illegal business practices) ?


So your problem with Far-L is that his company got involved with a bad business partner... which is Voice Media / CE, which is whom you praise so highly??

And you fault them for standing up and fighting against what is wrong, spending their OWN dollars.

So you are able to stand and pass judgement on people on how they best handle their business?

Your opinions are your own, but when based on incorrect and imagined pretenses, it becomes delusional.




So when HomeGrown proves in court the wrongdoing by Voice Media / CE and is awarded millions, you going to apologize to Far-L?

When HomeGrown and the other defendants beat down Acacia, and save the entire industry from Acacia, you going to apologize to HomeGrown and to all the defendants (like Video Secrets, Adult.com, Silvercash, Max Cash, LightSpeed, etc, etc, etc) that they didn't "waste" their money and thank them?

You may not be directly affected by Acacia as a web designer, but your clients that use video on their websites are affected. So when you are thumbing your nose at Far-L and the defendants for "wasting their money" in fighting Acacia, you are also disrespecting your clients.



Fight the Blinders!

ACTG stock pumpers on the Yahoo board were wondering that if Spike knows they had a license via Voice Media, why doesn't he contact Acacia to let them know about it.

I chatted with Spike about this issue just now, and he said that Berman has been aware for a long time. He talked to Berman on the phone about this a year ago.

HomeGrown had some speculations that something was going on with Voice Media, but Berman would not confirm nor deny it about a year ago.

It was only recently in depositions with Voice Media that it became factually clear to HomeGrown that something was indeed going on with licensing.

When I asked him why he doesn't let Acacia know of their "clerical error", he responded that it's not his duty to let the plantiff know they have the wrong defendant, and the fact that he had already talked to Berman about this issue, so it would just be repeating what was already known by Acacia.

So here it is now, as it was a year ago or so ago, Acacia had knowledge that HomeGrown had a license but has continued to name them in a lawsuit.

Now that Spike's side has been answered, seems to me the question to Acacia is still, "why is HomeGrown a defendant in this case?".



Fight the Geraldo!

"So when HomeGrown proves in court the wrongdoing by Voice Media / CE and is awarded millions, you going to apologize to Far-L?"


We shall see... We shall see.

Anyways thanks for a great debate bud.
We can bump this thread in 45 Days I got it book marked.

In this Press Release (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...c&sid=95573503)

"Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) will pay Burst.com Inc. (Nasdaq:BRST - news), a developer of software for streaming audio and video over the Internet, $60 million to settle a patent infringement and antitrust lawsuit, the world's largest software maker said on Friday.

Santa Rosa, California-based Burst said in a 2002 lawsuit that Microsoft had infringed on its patent for sending audio and video content over the Web....."



Hey there, Burst's patent was for sending audio and video content over the web.... isn't that what the DMT patent is about?

Oh the paradox.

What is burst.com doing that ACTG not doing? Spending over $3M in legal fees to deal with pornographers and here comes Burst.com to swoop in and get a whopping settlement.

Maybe having Microsoft settle, will mean Microsoft would be easy to rollover with the DMT patent.

Fight the Bubble Bursting!