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Old 03-13-2005, 12:09 PM   #1
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The Need for Gun Control, Part 328

Just a small sampling of recent news:

Young girl shot by playmate with gun they found

5-year-old girl shot at block party in Montgomery

Girl Shot in Drive-By

14-Year-Old Girl Shot While Playing Basketball

Arrest In 13-Year Old's Murder
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:12 PM   #2
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thats kinda sad
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Hell yes. Those goddamned guns. They aren't good for anything but killing. While we're at it, let's get rid of knives.

College Football Player Stabbed
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp...6&nav=0RbQXQT5

Man stabbed by own son
http://www.thefreeman.com/local/inde...314&id=2 8314

Vietnamese man stabbed to death in Moscow
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society...=3&newsid=5535

2 High School Students Are Stabbed in Apparent Gang Fight
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/12/nyregion/12stab.html

Police confirm four women stabbed by Sharjah stalker
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...section=theuae
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:30 PM   #4
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I'll get rid of my guns the day all the anti-gun people post signs outside their house that clearly reads:

"This is a gun free home"
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:31 PM   #5
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lets get rid of water while were at it.


Two Girls In Critical Condition After Near Drowning
http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp...7&nav=23KuXPHd

Drowning caused death of Pepsi truck driver
http://www.wvec.com/news/investigate...120857c53.html

Accidental Drowning Claims Life of 2-Year Old Valley Boy
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=3050094

Teacher to blame for boy drowning
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=259522005
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:33 PM   #6
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lets get rid of water while were at it.


Two Girls In Critical Condition After Near Drowning
http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp...7&nav=23KuXPHd

Drowning caused death of Pepsi truck driver
http://www.wvec.com/news/investigate...120857c53.html

Accidental Drowning Claims Life of 2-Year Old Valley Boy
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=3050094

Teacher to blame for boy drowning
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=259522005
Hell yes. I support water control. We'll stop water...for the children.
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:44 PM   #7
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lets get rid of water while were at it.
Good comeback. I expected a few brain-dead responses like yours but you actually took the time to find some links to back up your stance! Way to go!

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Good comeback. I expected a few brain-dead responses like yours but you actually took the time to find some links to back up your stance! Way to go!

Pot, meet kettle.
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:48 PM   #9
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no guns?

i am using my AK47 as a spoon as we speak. i also turn on the TV with my glock.

mmm Campells.
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Down with electricity!

Mag publisher electrocuted
http://www.nydailynews.com/boroughs/...p-247025c.html

20-year-old Hemet woman died after she fell in a transformer vault.
http://www.xenutv.com/print/riverside-moxon-062800.htm

Man Dies After Being Electrocuted At Construction Site
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2003/local/09/09/shock.html

Lineman electrocuted in Ardmore
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturd.../lineman.shtml
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:53 PM   #11
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Down with electricity!

Mag publisher electrocuted
http://www.nydailynews.com/boroughs/...p-247025c.html

20-year-old Hemet woman died after she fell in a transformer vault.
http://www.xenutv.com/print/riverside-moxon-062800.htm

Man Dies After Being Electrocuted At Construction Site
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2003/local/09/09/shock.html

Lineman electrocuted in Ardmore
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturd.../lineman.shtml
Ok, you're getting redundant now ... at least be original
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Ok, you're getting redundant now ... at least be original
A strong argument is as wide as it is deep.
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Old 03-13-2005, 01:06 PM   #13
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A strong argument is as wide as it is deep.
Ok, assuming you guys are trying to put up a valid argument ....

The GTA (Toronto area) has over 3.5 million people. In any given year there are 50-75 homicides, gun-related or otherwise. Check out some stats on U.S. cities of a comparable size. Canada has gun control and if it weren't bordering a country that does not, there would be even less guns (as so many enter the country illegally from the U.S.)

Water and electricity do kill people, yes, but they kill people only where there is water and electricity. Guns only kill people where there are guns. And I think it's a fair statement to say that we need water to live - electricity of course is debatable.

I guess if you don't see any problem with children being killed by guns, even more so when it's by another child who presumably found it in his/her home, then there is no convincing you. I guess the only way you'll change your mind is if it happened to someone you know.
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I'll get rid of my guns the day all the anti-gun people post signs outside their house that clearly reads:

"This is a gun free home"
LOL, exactly
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Several auto fatalities in vegas last week

let's ban cars too
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Most, if not all of these deaths were caused by people breaking the law. What makes you think they're going to all of a sudden start obeying NEW gun control laws?
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How about bumper stickers:


"I have no gun in this car"
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Guns dont kill people. People kill people.

I walked by a gun laying on the sidewalk the other day. I stopped, and sat to watch it. For 10 hours I sat there, and the gun did not move. It did not make an aggressive move towards anything. Not the birds that shit on it, not the people that kicked it. But in the mean time there were two fist fights in the park behind me. There was a car crash and fight in the street in front of me. There was a man beating a woman in the window of an appartment across the street. But the gun did not move.

Control the people. Not the guns.
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"I have no gun in this car"
I really did have a bumper sticker that said "Keep honking, I'm reloading."
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so you feel that if every country were to outlaw firearms, that all the guns would just vanish, and all gun related deaths would cease?

A good way to stop the child deaths would be for the parents to tell the children to not ever touch a gun if they found it, and to leave and tell an adult if one of thier friends had one. Wouldnt stop every death but its a good place to start.

The hard part, is finding good parents that actually talk to thier kids.
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so you feel that if every country were to outlaw firearms, that all the guns would just vanish, and all gun related deaths would cease?
Worked in Australia

http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/21.htm
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Thats because it I wanted to kill you in Australia all I have to do is go outside and find any animal, plant or tree and take it to your house. Does Australia have any nonpoisonous things ?
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yeah gun control is a great idea, if you're a NAZI. tell me please, where were the parents in all of this.

you people passing the blame to inanimant objects just because parents refuse to be responsible. it's really sad and depraved. maybe one day you people will open your eyes and realize that gun control is not the answer. gun education, and PARENTS being safe with their firearms is.
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read a little more about their "success" the only type of gun violence that went down was suicides. all the rest of it stayed the same, homocide, stayed the same. they don't like to tell you that little caveout though.
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Ok, assuming you guys are trying to put up a valid argument ....

The GTA (Toronto area) has over 3.5 million people. In any given year there are 50-75 homicides, gun-related or otherwise. Check out some stats on U.S. cities of a comparable size. Canada has gun control and if it weren't bordering a country that does not, there would be even less guns (as so many enter the country illegally from the U.S.)

Now you are showing your ignorance.

American does have gun control laws. It's just that they are not properly enforced.

Canada has gun prevention laws.
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ya guns do kill when there in teh wrong hands, anyone that ownsa gun should have it locked away and nowhere near children, mine is locked in a safe when my 2 year old nephew would never be able to get to
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ya guns do kill when there in teh wrong hands, anyone that ownsa gun should have it locked away and nowhere near children, mine is locked in a safe when my 2 year old nephew would never be able to get to

Agreed.

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This fucking argument that guns are inanimate objects is about the weakest shit I've heard. So to all you people that think that way, would it be okay with you if everyone had a nuclear device? After all they are inanimate objects, they are harmless until a person detonates one. And the funny thing is its the same people that argue that everyone should be able to have guns that are for stopping countries such as Iran from having nukes, WTF is that about? Joe the maniac down the street can have a gun yet Mohammed can't have a nuke?
They are both inanimate objects. If some of you people could actually use your fucking heads once in a while it would be scary.
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Agreed.

the kid on the right looks stoned (jk)
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read a little more about their "success" the only type of gun violence that went down was suicides. all the rest of it stayed the same, homocide, stayed the same. they don't like to tell you that little caveout though.
I read quite a bit about Australia's gun control success and your statement is incorrect.

Firearm homicides and suicides in Australia have both halved in the ten years from 1991-2001.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tandi269.pdf
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the kid on the right looks stoned (jk)

He is. I get all the kids stoned before handing them guns.
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This fucking argument that guns are inanimate objects is about the weakest shit I've heard. So to all you people that think that way, would it be okay with you if everyone had a nuclear device? After all they are inanimate objects, they are harmless until a person detonates one. And the funny thing is its the same people that argue that everyone should be able to have guns that are for stopping countries such as Iran from having nukes, WTF is that about? Joe the maniac down the street can have a gun yet Mohammed can't have a nuke?
They are both inanimate objects. If some of you people could actually use your fucking heads once in a while it would be scary.
Comparing a gun to a nuke is comparing apples to trucks. And apple seed can kill some one, but a truck can kill a family or 100 people at a street festivle.
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Comparing a gun to a nuke is comparing apples to trucks. And apple seed can kill some one, but a truck can kill a family or 100 people at a street festivle.
Nope. No different than the comparison of knives and guns. A guy with a knife in a crowd could kill one person but a guy in a crowd with a gun can kill 100. So thanks for proving my point.
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I'll get rid of my guns the day all the anti-gun people post signs outside their house that clearly reads:

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Right now would probably be a good time for you to clean your firearm. Make sure it's loaded and the safety is off. I'm sure it needs to be cleaned, u don't want to take any chances the next time someone is trying to break into your house, or invade your country again like those damn 'redcoats' (do the research). Man would your face be red. go ahead. clean it.
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I read quite a bit about Australia's gun control success and your statement is incorrect.

Firearm homicides and suicides in Australia have both halved in the ten years from 1991-2001.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tandi269.pdf
The graph shows handgun deaths stayed the same or went up after "Firearm controls enacted".
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Now you are showing your ignorance.

American does have gun control laws. It's just that they are not properly enforced.

Canada has gun prevention laws.
Your laws are working quite well apparently. What was the ban that Georgie let lapse about selling automatic weapons? Law enforcement literally begged the White House and for absolutely no explicable reason, automatic weapons were "legal" again. Does anyone need an Uzi for self-defence of their home?

That, to me, is a problem with gun control, laws or not.
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Here we go again...

America shouldve never allowed guns in the first place. And indeed gun control means shit now anymore when everybody and his brother already has a gun.

USA is fucked and the gun inflicted death rate is outrageous. Be it suicide, accidents or murder. If the US had gun control from day 1 all the 3 would be less.

You claim you need a gun to protect you and your family from other people with guns.
Think about it for a minute what a retarded position you guys are in.
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The next person who claims car kill as well will get his keyboard rammed up his ass.

Guns were made for killing, cars werent.
Cars are needed, guns arent. (except sadly enough for war).
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I'd prefer if people weren't allowed to drive their cars anymore. Too many traffic fatalities.

I'd also like to bet $10,000 that Franck would not be capable of shoving a keyboard or anything else up my ass. Empty threats are so much fun!
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Old 03-13-2005, 09:29 PM   #45
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So I guess you can?t stand up for yourself or risk getting shot now a days. I learned a lesson last night in downtown Seattle. Me and Scott from Streamate went to an after hours club last night and as we?re leaving a Chevy Blazer almost runs us over while we?re crossing the street. The passenger is hanging out of the window yelling, ?Get the fuck out of the way.? I had had a few drinks and the fact that they almost killed us pissed me off. My stupid reaction was to spit, and as luck would have it, it hit the passenger dickhead right in the chest. Right after this happens he says ?fuck you, I have a gun.? So now I?m thinking this is bad.

Scott and I double-time it to his truck as the guys are turning around to come back. They catch up to us and I have nowhere to go so I just turn and face the consequences. I see the driver, not a big guy, jump out and run at me. As he?s running he?s reaching for his waistline and I see that he does indeed have a gun. I?m pretty much thinking my life is over at this point. I just looked at him and raised my exposed palms to show him I don?t really want to die. He just pushes me and I let him. By this time Scott has his pistol out of his truck and is assuring that if I get shot, the shooter dies too. Then he runs away.

I?m not one to back down from fights, and the spitting was stupid stupid stupid, but WTF? Doesn?t anyone remember how to fight with their hands? I would have gladly fought this guy, either of them actually. I learned a valuable lesson, EVERYONE HAS A GUN. Just thought I?d share with GFY
Here is your America. Stupid retard inbreed idiots. Actually i have no problems with people like this having guns if they just shoot the other inbreed fucks. Too bad innocent people always seem to get involved.
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Guns dont kill people. People kill people.

I walked by a gun laying on the sidewalk the other day. I stopped, and sat to watch it. For 10 hours I sat there, and the gun did not move. It did not make an aggressive move towards anything. Not the birds that shit on it, not the people that kicked it. But in the mean time there were two fist fights in the park behind me. There was a car crash and fight in the street in front of me. There was a man beating a woman in the window of an appartment across the street. But the gun did not move.

Control the people. Not the guns.
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I'd prefer if people weren't allowed to drive their cars anymore. Too many traffic fatalities.

I'd also like to bet $10,000 that Franck would not be capable of shoving a keyboard or anything else up my ass. Empty threats are so much fun!

No need to prove again that youre a simple minded idiot.
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Gun Deaths - International Comparisons

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)
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No need to prove again that youre a simple minded idiot.
You're the one that's going to stick keyboards up people's ass, and yet I'm simple minded? Good call, Einstein.
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Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)

A gun in your home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner (Kellerman,New England Journal of Medicine v329, n.15 1993)

Gun violence is the second-leading cause of injury-related fatalities in the US after car accidents. In Alaska, Maryland and Nevada as well as D.C., firearm death rates in 1998 exceeded those for car accidents. (CDC & Natnl. Vital Statistics Report, 1999)

One million Americans have died in firearm homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings since 1962. (Fatal Firearm Injuries in the United States 1962-1994. Violence Surveillance Summary Series, No. 3, 1997; Deaths: Final Data for 1995- 1997, National Vital Statistics Report)
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