Why can't Iran have nukes? - GoFuckYourself.com

kmanrox · 03-11-2005, 01:44 PM

OK, for the record, I don't think they should have them either.

BUT to play devil's advocate, like, why can't they have them? That's like me trying to get a group of webmasters to stop LAMike from buying another Ferrari .... That wouldn't fly. What's so illegal about another country wanting what the rest of the world has?

Icon · 03-11-2005, 01:50 PM

are you new?

CDSmith · 03-11-2005, 01:50 PM

WTF does a country like Iran need nukes for? And... the rest of the world doesn't have nukes. There are plenty of countries that don't have nukes.

I think the idea is to keep the # of nukes in the world down to at least what they are now, and not go having every upstart dictatorship and monarchy out there having them.

should the US have them? If countries like Korea, Russia & China gave them up then I suppose there would be no need for them at all. Since that's not likely to ever happen I guess the US needs them also. But why have more and more countries signing on? Especially one like Iran who hasn't actually been all that stable or trustworthy over the past 30 years.

StuartD · 03-11-2005, 01:52 PM

I'd say that it's because it's American foriegn policy to tell other countries how to live and what they can and can't have but then an American would come and tell me that it's none of my business what America does.

nofx · 03-11-2005, 01:53 PM

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like the t.v. in yer living room
each bomb kills a million dead
it melts your skin and implodes yer head
And now you get yer judgement day
You think you'll float up then away
But yer guilty just like everyone
You turn to ash when the burning's done

BRISK · 03-11-2005, 01:54 PM

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

David! · 03-11-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

OK, for the record, I don't think they should have them either.

BUT to play devil's advocate, like, why can't they have them? That's like me trying to get a group of webmasters to stop LAMike from buying another Ferrari .... That wouldn't fly. What's so illegal about another country wanting what the rest of the world has?

Cuz they probably would not hesitate to use them even if it was not waranted

kmanrox · 03-11-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

yes i realize that, but i mean, isn't that a crock of shit too?

i think that by LAMike owning more than 1 car that costs over $100k that he can hurt people's feelings, so I declare he shouldn't be allowed to buy another.

what are the chances of me getting this injunction?

ya see... it doesnt make sense... its The Man trying to keep someone else down if you think about it.

BRISK · 03-11-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

yes i realize that, but i mean, isn't that a crock of shit too?

Well, Iran signed the crock of shit. If they didn't want to be held accountable, they probably shouldn't have signed it.

tungsten · 03-11-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

yes i realize that, but i mean, isn't that a crock of shit too?

i think that by LAMike owning more than 1 car that costs over $100k that he can hurt people's feelings, so I declare he shouldn't be allowed to buy another.

what are the chances of me getting this injunction?

ya see... it doesnt make sense... its The Man trying to keep someone else down if you think about it.

thats exactly it, i take it as a security precaution

azguy · 03-11-2005, 02:00 PM

Because this is a window of opportunity

StuartD · 03-11-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Cuz they probably would not hesitate to use them even if it was not waranted

Yes, but "probably" is pretty vague, and anyone can say that about anyone really. And so it should apply to anyone if that's the case. I could say that the US would "probably" use a nuke or two if there's a world war... hey wait...

nofx · 03-11-2005, 02:00 PM

isnt russia going to sell Iran that stuff?

kmanrox · 03-11-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Well, Iran signed the crock of shit. If they didn't want to be held accountable, they probably shouldn't have signed it.

i wasnt aware that they signed it... what did they get in return for promising to stay old-school tech?

mardigras · 03-11-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

ya see... it doesnt make sense....

Absolutely right... ya didn't make sense

wjxxx · 03-11-2005, 02:02 PM

Because they are all freaks

kmanrox · 03-11-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

are you new?

yes, my post count was hacked

CDSmith · 03-11-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

yes i realize that, but i mean, isn't that a crock of shit too?

i think that by LAMike owning more than 1 car that costs over $100k that he can hurt people's feelings, so I declare he shouldn't be allowed to buy another.

what are the chances of me getting this injunction?

ya see... it doesnt make sense... its The Man trying to keep someone else down if you think about it.

Your analogy is a bit cockeyed, as you're comparing a world safety issue with some sort of financial/capitalistism-with-overtones-of-communism/dictatorship thing. It does not compute.

In my opinion Iran is a country that shouldn't be trusted with nukes. Period. Look back at it's history over the past 30 years and then argue this point with me, if you can.

David! · 03-11-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Yes, but "probably" is pretty vague, and anyone can say that about anyone really. And so it should apply to anyone if that's the case. I could say that the US would "probably" use a nuke or two if there's a world war... hey wait...

It's very simple actually.
Would you like to have the dude down the street who is in and out of rehab and that you know is always high on some drugs, own a rocket launcher, a few ak-47 and a few couple of pounds of C4?
I don't think you would feel confortable. I know I wouldn't.

Michael O · 03-11-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

WTF does a country like Iran need nukes for? And... the rest of the world doesn't have nukes. There are plenty of countries that don't have nukes.

I think the idea is to keep the # of nukes in the world down to at least what they are now, and not go having every upstart dictatorship and monarchy out there having them.

should the US have them? If countries like Korea, Russia & China gave them up then I suppose there would be no need for them at all. Since that's not likely to ever happen I guess the US needs them also. But why have more and more countries signing on? Especially one like Iran who hasn't actually been all that stable or trustworthy over the past 30 years.

Why does a country like Israel need them?
Self protection everyone knows they would use them against Syria or Egypt if they try anything again and Israel was losing.

Why did North Korea want them?
Again who would want to fuck with a country with nukes when you know they are stupid enought to use them.

CDSmith · 03-11-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Why does a country like Israel need them?
Self protection everyone knows they would use them against Syria or Egypt if they try anything again and Israel was losing.

Why did North Korea want them?
Again who would want to fuck with a country with nukes when you know they are stupid enought to use them.

I believe the thinking behind it now is... the world doesn't need more countries with nuclear capability.

And I agree with that thinking. I would prefer that we had less countries sporting nukes, but since that isn't likely to happen anytime soon I'll settle for the next best thing, that being not having MORE countries capable of wiping out the world.

MetaMan · 03-11-2005, 02:08 PM

a country like Iran is backwards compared to most of the world, they live their lives 100% on religion.

why on earth would you let a country who lives there everyday lives on a "God" that you cant even see have nukes?

alll turban wearing nazis need to get wiped off this earth asap.

Veterans Day · 03-11-2005, 02:09 PM

again with this topic

CDSmith · 03-11-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

a country like Iran is backwards compared to most of the world, they live their lives 100% on religion.

why on earth would you let a country who lives there everyday lives on a "God" that you cant even see have nukes?

alll turban wearing nazis need to get wiped off this earth asap.

Obviously there is STILL no decent burger joints in Calgary.

StuartD · 03-11-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

It's very simple actually.
Would you like to have the dude down the street who is in and out of rehab and that you know is always high on some drugs, own a rocket launcher, a few ak-47 and a few couple of pounds of C4?
I don't think you would feel confortable. I know I wouldn't.

How about instead of imagining a world where everyone has them, how about a world where no one does?

StuartD · 03-11-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

a country like Iran is backwards compared to most of the world, they live their lives 100% on religion.

why on earth would you let a country who lives there everyday lives on a "God" that you cant even see have nukes?

alll turban wearing nazis need to get wiped off this earth asap.

Funny, I kept thinking you were describing Bush for some reason but he doesn't wear a turban.... that I know of.

David! · 03-11-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

How about instead of imagining a world where everyone has them, how about a world where no one does?

We're 60 years too late for that. Utopia will never happen. The world sucks and we got to make do with it by making sure all them sheeps have enough porn to masturbate for the rest of their lives

Icon · 03-11-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedonistic

yes, my post count was hacked

sorry...
'new' to world affairs?

it's an issue better researched on your own rather than posted on a message board. You can gain a better understanding and form your own opinions instead of listening to the opinions of others. My opinion makes me some sort of asshole cause I'd make some stupid observation about the fact that ONE, certain...unnamed country has utilized WMD's in Dresdin and in Japan, yet restrict the same ability in others. Payback WILL be a bitch.

and nothing personal at all man, but your sig is making me kinda nausous... it's cool that dudes bang, thats fine....seeing it, on the other hand...

project_naughty · 03-11-2005, 02:23 PM

Crikey O'Blimey.

The leaders of Iran declared several years ago that as soon as they had nukes, Israel would cease to exist. So that's one reason.

And if you knew anything about Islam, you'd know that Muslims must be in a constant state of war with non-Muslims until the non-Muslims either pay the jizya tax or become Muslims.

Allowing Muslims to have nukes is like giving a known paedophile your children to babysit for the afternoon - a certain inevitability enters the equation.

directfiesta · 03-11-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

It's very simple actually.
Would you like to have the dude down the street who is in and out of rehab and that you know is always high on some drugs, own a rocket launcher, a few ak-47 and a few couple of pounds of C4?
I don't think you would feel confortable. I know I wouldn't.

LOL

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Who are you talking about ?????

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Fits the description of BUSH !!!!

directfiesta · 03-11-2005, 03:04 PM

OK, seriously???

Because the US don't respect their signature ... Why should others do so???

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Breaking US Pledges under the NPT

The Bush NPR explicitly calls for targeting nuclear weapons against several non-nuclear weapon state signatories to the NPT, which is contrary to previous US pledges to not do so. Such pledges were made by all the nuclear weapon state signatories to the NPT as an incentive for other countries to renounce nuclear weapons. By developing new nuclear weapons expressly to target non-nuclear weapon states, the United States would undermine the continued viability of the NPT. In short, the security costs of developing such weapons outweigh any conceivable security benefits.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_securit...cfm?pageID=777

Michael O · 03-11-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I believe the thinking behind it now is... the world doesn't need more countries with nuclear capability.

And I agree with that thinking. I would prefer that we had less countries sporting nukes, but since that isn't likely to happen anytime soon I'll settle for the next best thing, that being not having MORE countries capable of wiping out the world.

I agree way to many countries have the bomb but sadly more will get it in the future.
Basicly what is needed is 4 kilos of plutonium and you got the bomb making it effective is another story.
With the collapse of the Sovjet Union both scientist and weapon grade plutonium is available to anyone with enough money.
The only way to stop it are surgical strikes on sites where they research or build the bomb.

Joe Citizen · 03-11-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

The USA walks away from international treaties all the time.

Icon · 03-11-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

The USA walks away from international treaties all the time.

**cough** Kyoto **cough cough**

Wendy's Assistant Manager · 03-11-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

**cough** Kyoto **cough cough**

Kyoto is BULLSHIT. And the Bush administration made the RIGHT call throwing that hunk of shit out.

Joe Citizen · 03-11-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

**cough** Kyoto **cough cough**

Yup.. and here's another one. The USA withdrew just yesterday.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The United States has withdrawn from an accord that lets an international court decide disputes over foreign inmates of U.S. prisoners, an agreement used by death penalty opponents in their fight against executions.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/10/vie...nvention.reut/

Icon · 03-11-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Yup.. and here's another one. The USA withdrew just yesterday.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The United States has withdrawn from an accord that lets an international court decide disputes over foreign inmates of U.S. prisoners, an agreement used by death penalty opponents in their fight against executions.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/10/vie...nvention.reut/

Along the lines of breaking the Geneva convention....

kenny · 03-11-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Why does a country like Israel need them?
Self protection everyone knows they would use them against Syria or Egypt if they try anything again and Israel was losing.

Why did North Korea want them?
Again who would want to fuck with a country with nukes when you know they are stupid enought to use them.

When the country of Israel acquired them the big picture was different..

AdultMovies.bz · 03-11-2005, 04:51 PM

Lets face it, if the US wasn't invading countries then Iran and other small countries wouldn't feel the need to have nukes... By posessing nukes a country feels safer. Sure, some leaders are crazy and shouldn't be trusted with Nukes, but its not as if Bush is a model of clear thinking is he.

kenny · 03-11-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultMovies.bz

Lets face it, if the US wasn't invading countries then Iran and other small countries wouldn't feel the need to have nukes... By posessing nukes a country feels safer. Sure, some leaders are crazy and shouldn't be trusted with Nukes, but its not as if Bush is a model of clear thinking is he.

The more countries that have nuclear weapons the more of a chance that those weapons will be disturbuted.

How hard would it be for some terrorist to hijack some Iranian missle base with inadequate security? Or pay some sympathetic insiders to help?

Maybe its not fair to Iran, but its in the United States best interest to keep them from having nuclear weapons.

If the day comes when the wrong people get a hold of a nuclear weapon.. on that day every thread like this on the internet will have a answer.

When you turn on CNN and see men in contamination suits walking down the streets in New York, placing white flags by radioactive corpses so the incinerators know where to go to burn the millions of bodies.

Entire nations will be destroyed if that day ever comes. And that has to be avoided at all cost.

adonthenet · 03-11-2005, 05:22 PM

you just born now?!?
are you crazy?

Veterans Day · 03-11-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

**cough** Kyoto **cough cough**

ya thats a solid plan there

directfiesta · 03-11-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny

How hard would it be for some terrorist to hijack some Iranian missle base with inadequate security? Or pay some sympathetic insiders to help?

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How hard would that be to do in the goold old US of A ???

Don't make me look for a link to post....

just a punk · 03-11-2005, 05:49 PM

The only country that CAN'T have nukes is the USA. Many other countries have a nuclear weapon (including all-hated "empire of evil" Russia) but they were too wise to not use it. The only country that has used nukes on people (the innocent people I'd say, because Hiroshima wasn't a military object) was the USA. IMHO the USA + nuclear weapon is the same as monkey with a grenade... nobody knows when a stupid animal blast it.

Alex · 03-11-2005, 05:49 PM

You wouldnt give guns to children

theking · 03-11-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

How hard would that be to do in the goold old US of A ???

Don't make me look for a link to post....

Yes...look for a link to post. My confidence level is high that you can find some off the wall link...as is SOP for you.

directfiesta · 03-11-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Yes...look for a link to post. My confidence level is high that you can find some off the wall link...as is SOP for you.

Many to post

But this one, starring none other than Halliburton, the company that is NOW dealing in Iran ..LOL , was the most appropriate....

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Friday 11 February 2005

WASHINGTON -- A Halliburton Co. shipment of radioactive material went missing in October but the company didn't alert government authorities until this week, Nuclear Regulatory Commission officials said today. The material -- two sources of the element americium, used in oil well exploration -- was found intact Wednesday in Boston after an intense search by federal authorities. NRC and Halliburton officials say the public never was in danger.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/021105G.shtml

Good old US of A...sshole.

Icon · 03-11-2005, 06:27 PM

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ya thats a solid plan there

yeah...that whole 'environmentalist' thing is a conspiracy. there is no such thing as the ozone, melting icecaps and airborn bacterial virusus. Trees actually suck up all the bloody air, we need to chop those traitorous lumber bastards down as fast as we can! There's no time to waste, burn the next tree you see, if it's in your yard it's your responsabity. Burn the fucker down before it takes all your goddamn air! you need to act fast goddamit...don't sit here reading posts man! Act! Cut the fucker down or burn it before it burns you!!
I'm gonna start burning tires to prove theres no ozone, I'm starting with my neighbour's car and his snot nosed kid's fucking bicycle! goddamn useless thing doesn't even use gas! i gotto burn that mother down! I'm out! please send any extra tires tot he reddish amber glow in the horizon! MOVE goddamit

jukeboxfrank · 03-11-2005, 07:02 PM

I had some nasty things to say to the USA haters but I am tried and it really would be a waste of time. All I can say is it must suck to be you. I hope things get better for you so you could move on with your lives.

directfiesta · 03-11-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jukeboxfrank

I had some nasty things to say to the USA haters but I am tried and it really would be a waste of time. All I can say is it must suck to be you. I hope things get better for you so you could move on with your lives.

Confusion is your world...

USA haters ????

You really never got it...

03-11-2005, 01:44 PM	#1
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	Why can't Iran have nukes? OK, for the record, I don't think they should have them either. BUT to play devil's advocate, like, why can't they have them? That's like me trying to get a group of webmasters to stop LAMike from buying another Ferrari .... That wouldn't fly. What's so illegal about another country wanting what the rest of the world has? __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

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MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	a country like Iran is backwards compared to most of the world, they live their lives 100% on religion. why on earth would you let a country who lives there everyday lives on a "God" that you cant even see have nukes? alll turban wearing nazis need to get wiped off this earth asap.

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project_naughty Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 568	Crikey O'Blimey. The leaders of Iran declared several years ago that as soon as they had nukes, Israel would cease to exist. So that's one reason. And if you knew anything about Islam, you'd know that Muslims must be in a constant state of war with non-Muslims until the non-Muslims either pay the jizya tax or become Muslims. Allowing Muslims to have nukes is like giving a known paedophile your children to babysit for the afternoon - a certain inevitability enters the equation.

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AdultMovies.bz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Your Mum's House Posts: 1,036	Lets face it, if the US wasn't invading countries then Iran and other small countries wouldn't feel the need to have nukes... By posessing nukes a country feels safer. Sure, some leaders are crazy and shouldn't be trusted with Nukes, but its not as if Bush is a model of clear thinking is he. __________________ $8.35 High-Usage Adult Hosting: 510GB Storage + 5010GB Bandwidth + SQL + SSL + Free Domain With Whois Privacy. Use this Coupon Code for extra 25GB Storage Space when you join: 25freegb

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	The only country that CAN'T have nukes is the USA. Many other countries have a nuclear weapon (including all-hated "empire of evil" Russia) but they were too wise to not use it. The only country that has used nukes on people (the innocent people I'd say, because Hiroshima wasn't a military object) was the USA. IMHO the USA + nuclear weapon is the same as monkey with a grenade... nobody knows when a stupid animal blast it. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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