that why he fought with the game.

Beatles will be classic forever how long will 50 be remembered that's the true test

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Are you guys kidding? 50 cent is probably one of the greatest artists of all time. I mean, lets look at the facts here, 1.1 million records sold in 4 days, that is bigger than any shitty rock band I can think of in the last 30 years. Whether you guys like it or not, 50 cent is one of the greatest musicians of all time. He is up there with Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones.
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Not really though, he is just a marketing tool with no talent that sings to beats that a beat generator made up. Any retard can do it, and people that buy his records are retarded too for supporting this trash. Btw: He will probably be broke like Ice is, because he is a stupid rapper with too much money.

Anyway, no one can take the side of rap as real music, because we can all agree that it is total garbage that takes 0 talent and 0 skill. :2 cents:

Please, don't compare the Beatles to today's latest "music celebrity". I don't care if P Diddy outsells Jimi Hendrix 10 to 1, it doesn't put him in the same league. 50 cent has no talent, he made the sales because a great majority of consumers today are complete fucking idiots and his company did a good job selling it. Period.

In 30 years from now, will radio stations be playing 50 cent songs like they still play the Beatles today?

Somehow I doubt it.

Kids these days, flock to anything. He maybe hot right now, but god knows in the future.

yea but cd sales can't really compare ...

50's a nasty business man LOL


bringing the street knowledge to the table

some of you guys crack me up... 50 has no talent, 50 is this, 50 is that....

FACTS: he sold 11 MILLION Albums in 1 year. He just sold 1.1 Million in 4 days. He is fucking rich, beyond anything any of you will dream of. your sitting behind your computer talking shit. He's making millions, running the rap game right now.

I think I'll side with the no talent side instead of the internet shit talkers....

If you had an idea how much artists make out of each cds ... you'd be surprised . He's not THAT rich ...

50 fiddy cent

it was reported that his net worth was 50 Million..... I have a general idea what artists make, some artists are dumbasses and settle for shitty dist. deals. others make 5-7$ per cd. regardless, the dude is saleing clothes, shoes, cd's, has a movie coming out, a video game. hes got plenty of $$.

50 cent is the shit, all you haters need to stfu, the man swims in moola have some respect.

this CD will go huge, i personally love it, i mean 22 songs!? and they are all pretty dam good.

his songs own the clubs and the regular rap fans love his style. there is no stopping G G G UNITTTTT.

I thought this thread was about musical talent, face the facts he will not be played or talked about in 5 years let alone in 30 like the classic tracks that stand the test of time. Puuuuuhlease :1orglaugh

your right, in 5 years he might not be played or talked about. He'll be sitting high on top of the mountain, cashing royalty checks and not having to worry about music at all.... :1orglaugh

Oh my bad I mistook him for an artist with passion for musical creation. Sorry! He will end up another broke ass donkey. BET

Note to self: Never take this guy seriously ever again.

:2 cents: i'm actually pretty happy that most people posting in this thread realize how absurd it is to compare 50 cent to the beatles. first off all, if back in those days the beatles were marketed as much as 50 cent is today, they'd have more records sold by at least 3 times more.

also 50 cent is some degenerate ghetto piece of shit, promoting violence profanity, abuse of women and crime.

another way to look at is like this: the big time tupac, and all those other degenerate ghetto pieces of shit are already forgotten. no one really cares about them and won't really care about them in acouple of years bceause their music isn't really music, and if it can be classified as music, it's nothing that can stand the test of time. i don't see anyone talking about tupac's songs or dr dre's music or snoop dogg's music as a classic. if they do refer to it like that, that's bceause they're retarded and have no idea what talent or art is.

rap is the style of music that suits people age 10-25, who are in a developing stage of life and really don't know what they like yet. eventually most normal people realize that rap in general is complete shit, and they fall back on either the beatles, blues, or classical music because that's where real art and talent and feeling are. that's why you don't see 45 year olds go down the street in ghetto exco, fubu and paco clothing thinking they're "down with the ghetto sound" what up g, how's it hangin homey? where my daugs at? only low level ghetto running degenerates, and uneducated scum, or confused people who don't know what they are yet.

yet another way to look at it is this for all your rap fans:

you can't claim that you're a normal educated person with any values, when you look up to and appreciate, believe in, agree, or actually even think the way that some rappers do. 99% of them if not all are: uneducated, ghetto-scum, ignorant, with no values, people who promote violence and killing, and teach you to act like a degenerate animal, to steal to rape, and to slap women around. or even better, other rappers teach you that life is all about cars, money and women. well if you worship and believe in those ideals then i guess rap is perfect for you

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I just read last week that with the clothes / shoes / Water / and a piece of the rest of the G-unit guys he made close to 50 million last year ... that sound pretty good to me ... :upsidedow

I live in NY ... and I've been in his hood ...it ain't no burb ... I'll agree that most rap guys didn't have it as hard as they say ..but in his case it's true ..

Courtesy of Steve Albini.
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html

I give him credit for marketing his product and making cash. But musically speaking he is not worthy of carrying the beatles amps.

A bit extreme but at least its closer to the truth compared to the posts saying how great and original 50 cent "bad-ass-shot-9-time-marketing-toll" is...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

priceless....

Interesting... I wonder if those figures posted are true? Anybody in the music biz can confirm this?

I've never been a fan of 50 cent, but I hope he's smart enough to use the money he's made wisely (although I have grave doubts he will).

Yes rap is a marketing engine like all mainstream forms of music today. Rap is just the pre-eminent form right now. But it's been this way in music at least since the 70s. Nobody cared for songs by KISS until they dressed up like clowns and released a fake 'live' album (dubbed and overdubbed with studio additions/perfections).

There is no way 50 Cent can be compared to the Beatles. The Beatles are far more talented. I think the Beatles were all from middle class families, not the ghetto. They grew up in the innocent 50's, and began playing music a mere 10 years or less after 'rock n roll' music began. Different time, place, opportunities, and surely different abilities.

These rappers however won't be forgotten as many are predicting. Rap itself was supposed to be a fad.... it's been a 30 year old fad and still going strong, even if only on the strength of marketing. We still talk about Vanilla Ice yet he was supposed to be forgotten. For all intents and purposes we could say that classic artists are more forgotten... crooners, big bands, jazz bands, blues bands, 50's rock n roll bands, metal, and true punk music have been commercially dead for decades some only surviving on obscure AM radio stations and compilation CD infomercials on late night TV.

The topics in many mainstream raps have to do with subversive behavior and blunt descriptions of ugly realities, or are simply party music. It's a sign of the times and it's a tradition in rock music (rap is a form of rock). Dion and the Belmonts hits in the 50's like many other classic rock n roll artists had songs of their own like "Runaround Sue" or "The Wanderer" which would translate into pimp songs today. Or even further back to Muddy Waters' "Hoochie Coochie Man" with it's bravado and playeresque attitude. It's all the same schtick. For better or worse, rap has carved out it's own path especially in American culture and defined a period in music history. Nobody can change that.

Those are some fairly realistic numbers but for many they may be off. For example the music video budget was only 30K if the label is trying to really get a hit they are going to hire a well known director and that person alone is going to cost 30K and video itself will be between 200-400K on average. And promotion cost can go through the roof. There is a great book called "so you wanna be a rock star." written by on of the guys in a band called semisonic. They had a couple hits and sold a few million records. He said that it cost the label about 700K just in promotion to get their first single played on the radio nationwide.

Art Alekakis of Everclear used to have a radio show on a local channel here and he would talk about this stuff sometimes. Most artists get about $1 per CD sold in royalties but they have to pay back most, if not all, of that to the label because music video, recording, promotion etc. all comes out of the artists royalties. He was saying that about 85% of the acts out there actually don't make any money on the sale of CD's and most of them actually end up owing money to the record labels. They make thier money touring. Obviously if you are 50cent and you sell 11million records you are probably making some money in royalties.

The thing about many an entertainer is that, like many people, thier lifestyle is not really equal to thier income. This is especially true in hip hop because many of those guys feel they have to keep up a certian image. Just because a guy has a 4 million dollar house, a million worth of cars and a million in jewlery doesn't mean he actually has 6 million dollars. I would be willing to bet he is probably up to his eyes in debt.

Rap acts don't make as much from touring tough. They do tour but they don't tour as much or, typically, play to as many people as a rock band would.

There was a story a little while back about a band called Helmut. They signed a 4 record contract with Geffen worth 1 million dollars. In the end of it all, after the 4 records had been made the band was actually in debt to the record label. They had made money touring, but actually owed the label money because the label because of everything that they were responsible for.

it's a crazy biz.

also, the fact that so few acts make much money from CD sales is why they have such a hard time getting artists to come out against file sharing and MP3 downloading. Most of the artists just don't care because if you go buy the CD they aren't going to see anything from it so they want you to get thier music. What they do care about is you buying the ticket to see them play live. A great example of this is U2. They did the Ipod commercial and are promoting downloading. Now they come out and say buy the songs and download them, but really they don't care. They are big enough that they got a nice advance for the new record and with all thier expenses they know they will never see a dime of money from the sale of CD's. But they will rake in the cash with licensing the songs to movies, and TV and commercials and charging $150 bucks a seat to see them on the new tour. In the end they would like you to buy the CD but what they really care about is if you shell out the cash to see them live.

Kane, you got 666 posts, man, hurry up and post again! :winkwink:

The fact that a retard with no talen like 50 ct can sell so many albums tells a lot about todays youth. Basically that theyre even bigger retards.

Look, no one is debating the lack of artistic integrity in 50 Cent. He won't even argue it himself. It's all about the paper chase for most rappers. You guys are taking it way too seriously and judging it all by a standard that does not apply. Most rap music is for the moment, shake your ass stuff. That's what it is MEANT to be. Nothing more. If a rappers body of work stands the test of time it's an added bonus.

There are a few that do stand out. Arguably just as many as there are rock classics over the past 20 years starting from Run DMC and The Beastie's License To Ill. That's another conversation though as the overall quality of all genres took one helluva dive in the 90's.

Kane, those numbers that Everclear stated are completely wrong. I have never seen the first single budget for radio ever top $300k. Never. It costs a lot but never $700k. I've been in the biz since 91 so I've seen my share. Albini's numbers are correct but remember that the financial picure is very different for rock and hip hop. Budgets are broken down differently and advances are very different. Plus at the end of the day the artist profit comes from two different places. Rock=Tour money. Rap = endorsement money.

50 Cent is making a killing. Sure, he's not making as much from his record sales as anyone would hope but his Reebok deal and his Vita-Water deals more than make up for it. Clothing sales will make him more money than his album sales ever could and so will the Vita Water if done right. He's making more than any successful new rock band ever could. He's even more than Norah Jones who sells just as many records as he does. Love em or hate em, you have to appreciate the financial spoils that come with being on the top of the hip hop pile.

damn I didn't even realize that. I had to fix it.

it must be a sign. Yesterday I broke my foot so bad things are happening :)

50 Cent is the black Eminem.

Well said ... plus he's STILL making that mixed-tape money and thats no bullshit either!

I get the feeling he's going to be around and financially sound for years to come.

BTW - I bought his CD and well as some bootleged mixed tapes from Dj Green Lantern last week ... there is some bangin' shit on Massacre!!!

Pick up
5-star General and NY State of Mind by DJ GL ... no joke!!!

Actually go to http://www.djgreenlantern.com and click on "the store" ... listen to the first few tracks of all his CD's ... :NY State of Mind" is all mixed Beastie Boys w/ crazy sick shit!

:thumbsup

I just gotta say great post Pornwolf. :thumbsup

That is an extremely hot website. Thanks for the heads up J. I think I will go down to Canal street and pick up a couple of CD's.


Wait a minute, how tha hell do you know about the new Green Lantern tape out there in LA before I do! I guess you can take the boy out of Brooklyn but you can't take the Brooklyn outta... :winkwink:

Thanks Chong. I just call em as I see em.

You just made that up.

the beatle album was bought because people wanna have it. The 50c album is sold because its over promoted. Its marketing.

the deal my boys just signed with selecta hits, dist, pays them 5-7% a CD.... so dumbass, I didnt just make it up. :1orglaugh

A deal with Selecto Hits isn't a record deal per se, it's a distribution deal. It's different in that they get no promotion really. I wish them luck, they will need it.

Moron...$5 ou $7 per album is ALOT FUCKING different 5%-7% per CD...

tskk tskk STUPID!!!!!!! :1orglaugh