Best way to go after designer who I prepayed $200 thru paypal and won't finish work? - GoFuckYourself.com

kush · 03-09-2005, 12:49 PM

This part-time designer, someone who likes to take part in these design contests on GFY, was in a jam and was looking for some immediate work. Me being the nice guy I (used to be) I offered to prepay him so that he could make his payment on his credit card.

So he did a little bit of the work but didn't complete it, and now I'm just being ignored. Yes he still comes onto ICQ semi-regularly.

What's the best way to go about getting this resolved when he won't respond to me? When I do something nice for somebody and they turn around and fuck me, it pisses me off. So needless to say this is not about the money, but rather about resolving the issue to my satisfaction.

FunForOne · 03-09-2005, 12:50 PM

I think you found the best way.

kush · 03-09-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I think you found the best way.

I'm not sure about that...

Revealing him on GFY may make him look like an ass, but it's not going to directly impact his bank account, his credit, his record, or anything of that nature.

Legal action may be neccessary, just deciding which route to go is what I'm unsure of.

enter » · 03-09-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I think you found the best way.

I was thinking the same thing. Especially if he frequents the board.

CharlieBrown · 03-09-2005, 12:53 PM

how about a chargeback? i did it once i bought some traffic that didnt show up, was no problem, didnt take long either

enter » · 03-09-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kush

I'm not sure about that...

Revealing him on GFY may make him look like an ass, but it's not going to directly impact his bank account, his credit, his record, or anything of that nature.

Legal action may be neccessary, just deciding which route to go is what I'm unsure of.

What legal measures can you really take for 200 bucks? Your best bet is to just hope he doesn't want his name smeared and contacts you. Give him some time to see the thread and try to make it right before you say any names.

Trax · 03-09-2005, 12:56 PM

sorry to hear about the problems...

kush · 03-09-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieBrown

how about a chargeback? i did it once i bought some traffic that didnt show up, was no problem, didnt take long either

Unfortunately this is more than just a couple months ago, there must be a statue of limitations on charging it back. Plus it was a direct transfer from my bank account via paypal.

FunForOne · 03-09-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I think you found the best way.

If he reads GFY, he probably trying to finish your work or borrow 200 bucks as we speak.

These dudes around here have long memories and dont forget nothing.

chodadog · 03-09-2005, 01:02 PM

Report him to paypal. They will investigate and will probably suspend his paypal account. Happened when i bought content from someone a few years ago. If he has funds in his account, you might get it back. If not, then you won't. But really, for only $200, if you can't get the money back through paypal, there's bugger all that's worth doing. The best thing to do is just drag his name through the mud. The satisfaction of revenge is easily worth $200!

Rui · 03-09-2005, 01:02 PM

- Post his name, contact, sites,etc...
- Chargeback

Goodluck m8

Edit: Just saw we are talking "only" about $200...I think the best is to say his name and such

kush · 03-09-2005, 01:20 PM

Alright, thanks for the replies.
I suppose I'll give him warning that I'm about to expose it all over GFY if he doesn't make good. I've been very patient.

tranza · 03-09-2005, 01:20 PM

That's fucked up.... Here's a bump for you bro...

Sly · 03-09-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kush

I'm not sure about that...

Revealing him on GFY may make him look like an ass, but it's not going to directly impact his bank account, his credit, his record, or anything of that nature.

Legal action may be neccessary, just deciding which route to go is what I'm unsure of.

Dude, its $200. Legal action isn't worth it. Its not like you'll stick him in jail. It would end up being a civil suit, you would win, he would be ordered to pay you the $200 and still never pay it. Plus, you then would have a pile of your own legal bills to pay and any other expenses.

"Out" him. Its really the only thing you can do and WILL impact his bottom line if he ever expects to get work again. Odds are he won't even care, just consider it a lesson learned. Never pre-pay somebody you don't know "looking for cash".

theS2O · 03-09-2005, 01:23 PM

ow man.. that sucks!

i only accept upfront payment also with all of the projects that i handle but i had never got into a situation like that..

hope you resolve this prob man.

goodluck

Dennis69 · 03-09-2005, 01:25 PM

It simply amazes when people say "it's only 200 bucks", so if it was 2000 bucks it wouldn't be okay to rip somebody off then!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys just don't understand principle do you

Sly · 03-09-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis69

It simply amazes when people say "it's only 200 bucks", so if it was 2000 bucks it wouldn't be okay to rip somebody off then!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys just don't understand principle do you

If "principal" means spending 100 hours and several hundred additional dollars to possibly make back an original $200 owed... no, I don't understand "principal".

Maybe you don't understand the value of wasted time?

Dagwolf · 03-09-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kush

Unfortunately this is more than just a couple months ago, there must be a statue of limitations on charging it back. Plus it was a direct transfer from my bank account via paypal.

Tell 'em who it was so they dont' think it's me..

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-09-2005, 01:43 PM

And you didnt drop his name because?
WHY?

dready · 03-09-2005, 01:45 PM

Threating to out someone on GFY works better than anything I've ever tried.

kush · 03-09-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

And you didnt drop his name because?
WHY?

He's being contacted again through the emails and his ICQ.
If I'm not met with a response to my satisfaction I'll spread the news.

This is the last chance to make good.

candyflip · 03-09-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kush

Unfortunately this is more than just a couple months ago, there must be a statue of limitations on charging it back. Plus it was a direct transfer from my bank account via paypal.

If this is the case, then your chances are even better. Contact Paypal immediately.

enter » · 03-09-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis69

It simply amazes when people say "it's only 200 bucks", so if it was 2000 bucks it wouldn't be okay to rip somebody off then!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys just don't understand principle do you

Who said he should just drop it? It's just not feasible to think about legal action for 200 bucks. Get a grip. Call a lawyer and tell him you sent 200 to a designer through paypal and see what he says.

GFY is the best judge and jury for this type of case

Chris Malais · 03-09-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

If "principal" means spending 100 hours and several hundred additional dollars to possibly make back an original $200 owed... no, I don't understand "principal".

Maybe you don't understand the value of wasted time?

This is like saying oranges are orange. Don't speak the obvious when everyone already knows it.

Smurfette · 03-09-2005, 04:44 PM

I'm pretty sure what he meant by principle is that it doesn't matter how much you spend, when you get someone to do work for you and pay him, you expect the work to be done. It shouldn't matter what the cost, if you go to a store and buy a can of milk you expect the milk don't you, you don't give the store money just because!

I've been ripped off by a designer off this board before and most everybody jumped on the fact that it wasn't a big lot of money! It really shouldn't matter how much you get ripped off for... the fact still is you pay someone for a job, you should get what you pay for. Its the principle of doing business, you want more work you do the work paid for!

Smurfette

Hera, the Apocalypse · 03-09-2005, 04:59 PM

I agree with that, it's not about the money per se, but the trust and respect you gave each other being betrayed.
When someone does you wrong you tend to have a different attitude towards people after that, coz you don't want to commit the same mistake again. So even if you meet someone who's really trustworthy and honest, you tend to be suspicious most of the time...too bad that for a "mere" $200, the distrust and respect went a very long way...

warlock5 · 03-09-2005, 05:36 PM

What an asshole. These guys aren't only hurting their own reputations but they are hurting the reputations of every designer on here.

I take money upfront simply because when I haven't I end up putting several hours into a project and then the customer will flake out.

Steve · 03-09-2005, 05:44 PM

Give him 48 hours to deliver the work, or send you a refund. If he does not comply, out him on GFY. He'll wind up losing work over this. For $200, it's about all of your time you can afford to devote to this situation.

pradaboy · 03-09-2005, 05:49 PM

PayPal won't do shit for virtual services, so don't count on that.

Expose him would be my advise

PurrrsianPussyKat · 03-09-2005, 06:05 PM

I'd just say who it is.
Damage to his rep is about all you can do right now.
Give him a chance to make it right, and then pull the rip cord.

Good luck. Hope you get your work or your money out of him.

03-09-2005, 12:49 PM	#1
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Best way to go after designer who I prepayed $200 thru paypal and won't finish work? This part-time designer, someone who likes to take part in these design contests on GFY, was in a jam and was looking for some immediate work. Me being the nice guy I (used to be) I offered to prepay him so that he could make his payment on his credit card. So he did a little bit of the work but didn't complete it, and now I'm just being ignored. Yes he still comes onto ICQ semi-regularly. What's the best way to go about getting this resolved when he won't respond to me? When I do something nice for somebody and they turn around and fuck me, it pisses me off. So needless to say this is not about the money, but rather about resolving the issue to my satisfaction.

03-09-2005, 12:53 PM	#5
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03-09-2005, 01:02 PM	#10
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Report him to paypal. They will investigate and will probably suspend his paypal account. Happened when i bought content from someone a few years ago. If he has funds in his account, you might get it back. If not, then you won't. But really, for only $200, if you can't get the money back through paypal, there's bugger all that's worth doing. The best thing to do is just drag his name through the mud. The satisfaction of revenge is easily worth $200! __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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03-09-2005, 12:50 PM	#2
FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	I think you found the best way.

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	sorry to hear about the problems...

03-09-2005, 01:02 PM	#11
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	- Post his name, contact, sites,etc... - Chargeback Goodluck m8 Edit: Just saw we are talking "only" about $200...I think the best is to say his name and such

03-09-2005, 01:25 PM	#16
Dennis69 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dreamland Posts: 1,685	It simply amazes when people say "it's only 200 bucks", so if it was 2000 bucks it wouldn't be okay to rip somebody off then!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys just don't understand principle do you

03-09-2005, 01:43 PM	#19
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	And you didnt drop his name because? WHY? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-09-2005, 01:45 PM	#20
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	Threating to out someone on GFY works better than anything I've ever tried. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

03-09-2005, 04:44 PM	#25
Smurfette Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: A little place on the ROCK! Posts: 542	I'm pretty sure what he meant by principle is that it doesn't matter how much you spend, when you get someone to do work for you and pay him, you expect the work to be done. It shouldn't matter what the cost, if you go to a store and buy a can of milk you expect the milk don't you, you don't give the store money just because! I've been ripped off by a designer off this board before and most everybody jumped on the fact that it wasn't a big lot of money! It really shouldn't matter how much you get ripped off for... the fact still is you pay someone for a job, you should get what you pay for. Its the principle of doing business, you want more work you do the work paid for! Smurfette

03-09-2005, 04:59 PM	#26
Hera, the Apocalypse Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: i'm from the heavens... Posts: 181	I agree with that, it's not about the money per se, but the trust and respect you gave each other being betrayed. When someone does you wrong you tend to have a different attitude towards people after that, coz you don't want to commit the same mistake again. So even if you meet someone who's really trustworthy and honest, you tend to be suspicious most of the time...too bad that for a "mere" $200, the distrust and respect went a very long way... __________________ ICQ 265884066

03-09-2005, 05:36 PM	#27
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	What an asshole. These guys aren't only hurting their own reputations but they are hurting the reputations of every designer on here. I take money upfront simply because when I haven't I end up putting several hours into a project and then the customer will flake out.

03-09-2005, 05:44 PM	#28
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Give him 48 hours to deliver the work, or send you a refund. If he does not comply, out him on GFY. He'll wind up losing work over this. For $200, it's about all of your time you can afford to devote to this situation.

03-09-2005, 05:49 PM	#29
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03-09-2005, 06:05 PM	#30
PurrrsianPussyKat Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lost in the mountains Posts: 2,088	I'd just say who it is. Damage to his rep is about all you can do right now. Give him a chance to make it right, and then pull the rip cord. Good luck. Hope you get your work or your money out of him. __________________ Need a reliable, reasonably priced php programmer? Hit me up! 2934409