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A reminder not to use GODADDY

03-09-2005, 01:07 PM

Just in case you have forgotten about all the bad things you heard about them...

I just had my account closed for abuse b/c I stupidly did some aggressive SEO on some domains which I had forgotten were registered there and not elsewhere... the faggot who owns studio12design.com complained and GoDaddy closed the account. Fortunately, Google had already banned the offending domains yesterday... unfortunately there were some other domains which I wanted to keep in that account, and I lost them.

So remember: fuck GoDaddy!

Some of the other domains in the network were at NameCheap, they just forwarded the complaint to me so I could take the cocksmoker's domain off my list.

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: PORN LINKS
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Date: Wed, March 9, 2005 12:35 pm
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I am the owner and webmaster of somesite

Someone who registered several domain names with your organization is linking their disgusting porn sites to my site and using up all my bandwidth. I want to know who this is and I want it stopped immediately. Here is the whois info and domains.

// fake whois info here

The main domain is:
// list of some of my domains here

I also take extreme offence to these domains names and would like them canceled.

fuck you someone, I don't get mad, I get even

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03-09-2005, 01:09 PM

ya they suck
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03-09-2005, 01:12 PM

i have never had trouble with them...but I also don't do "aggresive" seo
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03-09-2005, 01:15 PM

maybe a few hundred disgusting porn sites should link to this guy
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03-09-2005, 01:23 PM

Ok so let me get this straight. You link your sites to his. Aparently sending hits his way and using his bandwidth. Trying to get better rankings for your site.

He didn't know about this. He complained and Go Daddy shut down your whole account ?
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03-09-2005, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by JaceXXX

i have never had trouble with them...but I also don't do "aggresive" seo

My thoughts exactly

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03-09-2005, 01:31 PM

I've never had any problems with Godaddy, but I am still transfering all my domains away from them. Too bad, because I loved their 24/7 phone techsupport. Godaddy is just not adult site friendly.

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03-09-2005, 01:37 PM

after they shut down the account were you able to just transfer the domain somewhere else?
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03-09-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

Ok so let me get this straight. You link your sites to his. Aparently sending hits his way and using his bandwidth. Trying to get better rankings for your site.

He didn't know about this. He complained and Go Daddy shut down your whole account ?

That's right, his url was among the thousands I have harvested from google for referrer spamming, and he threw a hissy fit and complained to all and sundry. I can understand him being offended by some of the domains, but what gets me is that godaddy pulled the plug on the whole account (including some clean adult and mainstream domains) after only one unsubstantiated complaint.
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03-09-2005, 01:39 PM

did they let you transfer away?

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03-09-2005, 01:42 PM

I don't have any problem with them

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03-09-2005, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

That's right, his url was among the thousands I have harvested from google for referrer spamming, and he threw a hissy fit and complained to all and sundry. I can understand him being offended by some of the domains, but what gets me is that godaddy pulled the plug on the whole account (including some clean adult and mainstream domains) after only one unsubstantiated complaint.

And you don't see the problem ?
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03-09-2005, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

That's right, his url was among the thousands I have harvested from google for referrer spamming, and he threw a hissy fit and complained to all and sundry. I can understand him being offended by some of the domains, but what gets me is that godaddy pulled the plug on the whole account (including some clean adult and mainstream domains) after only one unsubstantiated complaint.

So that means what exactly? Don't you still own the domains even if they will no longer handle them for you?

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03-09-2005, 01:51 PM

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ya they suck

I second that. They REALLY suck! I had a hosting virtual account with them and they couldn't handle the bandwidth. Broken images and shit during traffic spikes. Happened all the time. I dropped them like a bad habit and went dedicated elsewhere.
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03-09-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

And you don't see the problem ?

haha, i was thinking the same thing
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03-09-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

And you don't see the problem ?

Don't you see the problem? The point is that anyone can get their competitors account closed just by making a single unsubstantiated complaint. A registrar should be able to take a little bit of heat, or else it's just a free for all.

I'm trying to transfer the domains but I'm pretty sure they will just stall until the time limit for them to release the domains is up... but time will tell.
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03-09-2005, 01:58 PM

So let me get this straight.. I should remove this site from my urls lists?
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03-09-2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

Don't you see the problem? The point is that anyone can get their competitors account closed just by making a single unsubstantiated complaint. A registrar should be able to take a little bit of heat, or else it's just a free for all.

I'm trying to transfer the domains but I'm pretty sure they will just stall until the time limit for them to release the domains is up... but time will tell.

unsubstantiated complaint --- That would mean if they checked out the complaint then they would find nothing in the wrong. However by your own admission you were linking to him to gain PR using aggressive SEO tactics.

I guess I'm missing where they did you wrong.

You took a risk you knew the chances and the repercussions and you still took the chance.

Time to move on.
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03-09-2005, 02:04 PM

yup GoDaddy fucking sucks hardcore

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03-09-2005, 02:13 PM

Can someone please tell me, what are "aggressive SEO tactics"? How does sending hits to someone else (without them linking back to you) allow you to get better rankings or PR? Thanks.

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03-09-2005, 02:20 PM

I don't understand (probably because I don't do SEO at all)... but, how can you lose your domain for LINKING?

Isn't that sort of the point of the web? Now you can get people kicked off if you don't like who is linking to you?

I don't get it.

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03-09-2005, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by colpanic

I don't understand (probably because I don't do SEO at all)... but, how can you lose your domain for LINKING?

Isn't that sort of the point of the web? Now you can get people kicked off if you don't like who is linking to you?

I don't get it.

Yes this is exactly right. The purpose of a link is to make the user get more detailed information ... IE: if you want to say something about pepsi then you make a link to pepsi's site.

Now the IT staff at pepsi see's your linking to them and they go and look at your page and it's some guy with a pepsi bottle sticking out thier ass. They do not want this type of exposure .. They have the right to protect thier trademark and business and ask that you not link to them.

They try and contact you and find a whois of:

santa clause
12345 main street
moscow russia

They call GoDaddy where your domain is registered at and godaddy investigates.

Upon investigation godaddy cannot reach you they pull your account.

Thus what happened as described above.
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03-09-2005, 02:32 PM

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03-09-2005, 02:44 PM

I work with name-cheap and it seems fine

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03-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

Yes this is exactly right. The purpose of a link is to make the user get more detailed information ... IE: if you want to say something about pepsi then you make a link to pepsi's site.

Now the IT staff at pepsi see's your linking to them and they go and look at your page and it's some guy with a pepsi bottle sticking out thier ass. They do not want this type of exposure .. They have the right to protect thier trademark and business and ask that you not link to them.

They try and contact you and find a whois of:

santa clause
12345 main street
moscow russia

They call GoDaddy where your domain is registered at and godaddy investigates.

Upon investigation godaddy cannot reach you they pull your account.

Thus what happened as described above.

Lol thanks for the clear explanation.

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03-09-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by TheSaint

Lol thanks for the clear explanation.

You're just thankful I didn't put pictures
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03-09-2005, 02:52 PM

I've never heard a single good thing about GoDaddy... avoid them like the plague. If anything other then normal happens they will fuck you in the ass in a heartbeat.

Get your domains highjacked? They will tell you to fuck off and hire a lawyer. They suck hard.

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03-09-2005, 02:55 PM

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You're just thankful I didn't put pictures

i remember pics like that - but it was Coke, not Pepsi.

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03-09-2005, 03:06 PM

I show this e-mail address as a pr0 anyway ?

Looks like bogus whois info is what fucked you, probably would have made no difference where you were registered at

I have a few hundred domains at godaddy and have never had a problem, I also have a bunch at enom and a few at networksolutions, never had problems with any of them either

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03-09-2005, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Nasty

I show another e-mail address as a pr0 anyway ?

Looks like bogus whois info is what fucked you, probably would have made no difference where you were registered at

I have a few hundred domains at godaddy and have never had a problem, I also have a bunch at enom and a few at networksolutions, never had problems with any of them either

Agreed ...

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03-09-2005, 03:10 PM

When you have a problem, GoDaddy will fuck you in the ass every time.

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03-09-2005, 03:29 PM

The point is this:

1) Evil webmaster sees comptetitor above him in serps, with domain registered at godaddy.
2) Evil webmaster refspams competitor's domain like a motherfucker.
3) Self righteous anti complains to godaddy.
4) Godaddy removes competitor's account.
5) Profit!

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03-09-2005, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

You're just thankful I didn't put pictures

Shit, I was really hoping to see that.

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03-09-2005, 05:04 PM

godaddy's always been good to me.

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03-09-2005, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

Just in case you have forgotten about all the bad things you heard about them...

I just had my account closed for abuse b/c I stupidly did some aggressive SEO on some domains which I had forgotten were registered there and not elsewhere... the faggot who owns studio12design.com complained and GoDaddy closed the account. Fortunately, Google had already banned the offending domains yesterday... unfortunately there were some other domains which I wanted to keep in that account, and I lost them.

So remember: fuck GoDaddy!

Some of the other domains in the network were at NameCheap, they just forwarded the complaint to me so I could take the cocksmoker's domain off my list.

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: PORN LINKS
From:
Date: Wed, March 9, 2005 12:35 pm
To:
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I am the owner and webmaster of

Someone who registered several domain names with your organization is linking their disgusting porn sites to my site and using up all my bandwidth. I want to know who this is and I want it stopped immediately. Here is the whois info and domains.

// fake whois info here

The main domain is:
// list of some of my domains here

I also take extreme offence to these domains names and would like them canceled.

fuck you somebody, I don't get mad, I get even

How are you ref spamming his site? It doesnt look like he even has a show last reffering urls thing on there?

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03-09-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

unsubstantiated complaint --- That would mean if they checked out the complaint then they would find nothing in the wrong. However by your own admission you were linking to him to gain PR using aggressive SEO tactics.

I guess I'm missing where they did you wrong.

You took a risk you knew the chances and the repercussions and you still took the chance.

Time to move on.

You can't be serious. It isn't and shouldn't be the registrar's business to close accounts when in their OPINION the account owner did "something wrong, immoral". Can you say can of worms. Tomorrow you might be the one complaining. Referer spamming while not good netiquette does definitely not justify legally or else wise to close the whole damn account of someone, or even to block/cancel whatever his domains, at least not with a court order or at LEAST an Icann order. Show me the icann rule that covers "referer spamming" or anything even close to it. Godaddy simply decided to be the whitest, "cleanest", most hypocrite or whatever registrar out there, they have an (business wise, not moral of course) agenda, and they are simply strongarming him and many others
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03-09-2005, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by http

You can't be serious. It isn't and shouldn't be the registrar's business to close accounts when in their OPINION the account owner did "something wrong, immoral". Can you say can of worms. Tomorrow you might be the one complaining. Referer spamming while not good netiquette does definitely not justify legally or else wise to close the whole damn account of someone, or even to block/cancel whatever his domains, at least not with a court order or at LEAST an Icann order. Show me the icann rule that covers "referer spamming" or anything even close to it. Godaddy simply decided to be the whitest, "cleanest", most hypocrite or whatever registrar out there, they have an (business wise, not moral of course) agenda, and they are simply strongarming him and many others

Psst hint ... he got his account closed for fraudulent whois information ... which according to ICANN they can do.
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03-09-2005, 05:22 PM

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03-09-2005, 05:22 PM

Hmmmm....
Sounds like you were fucking with somebody and they complained about it and you got what was probably deserved.

What you call "SEO" is more like "FSES"(Fucking Search Engine Spam).
Your domains could be deleted just for that alone. You are fucking with the SE and with the owners of other domains at the same time.

Is it possible to find a way to make money without fucking with people?

Not trying to flame, but I don't see where you have any grounds for a complaint.
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03-09-2005, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

You're just thankful I didn't put pictures

this pretty much sums it up..

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03-09-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by marzzo

this pretty much sums it up..

Actually I was meaning the picture of the pepsi can coming out of a guys ass.
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03-09-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

Psst hint ... he got his account closed for fraudulent whois information ... which according to ICANN they can do.

I didn't see the Santa Clause whois post that would indeed indicate that this was the actual reason resp. their legal ground but the fact remains that a little earlier you posted it'd be alright to do what godaddy "you knew the risk you took the chances" did on the sole grounds of ref spamming, Mr SMARTASS
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03-09-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by JulianSosa

How are you ref spamming his site? It doesnt look like he even has a show last reffering urls thing on there?

His blog does
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03-09-2005, 05:29 PM

http://alac.icann.org/whois/whois_fi...cy-20feb03.htm

This is an excerpt from the above report stating they can pull accounts for fraudulent whois information.

Both observations together lead to the common conclusion that the Task Force's recommendations can only be first steps towards a future WHOIS policy environment. That future WHOIS policy environment will have to be designed with a renewed focus on enforceability. In particular, this implies that the future policy environment will have to directly address major issues left open at this point of time - such as registrants' privacy. Relying upon non-enforcement of policy instead is not an option.

Read the last part again for those who don't understand:

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03-09-2005, 05:35 PM

the account wouldn't have been closed for fake whois info, I was still contactable... just as long as it looks like a real person they have no way of knowing whether that person actually exists or not.

for the dumbasses who just don't get it (JFPdude), the point is not to moralize about whether spamming SEs is right or wrong, the point is that anyone can get anyone else's godaddy account closed just by making a complaint about it.

assuming he sent the same email to godaddy that he did to namecheap - he doesn't include any logs, any IPs, or any proof that it was me doing the ref spamming, and there isn't an actual link from my domains to his if you actually look at it - they just took his word for it and took my shit.

what is ironic is that his url is useless and just got caught up in the churn...
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03-09-2005, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

for the dumbasses who just don't get it (JFPdude), the point is not to moralize about whether spamming SEs is right or wrong, ...

haha yeah I'm the dumbass ... who's account was closed for spamming search engines and fraudulent whois ?

I just checked all my sites are up.
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03-09-2005, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by OzMan

His blog does

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03-09-2005, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by JaceXXX

i have never had trouble with them...but I also don't do "aggresive" seo

Yep..it seems that whenever someone wants to bitch about godaddy.com..they've done SOMETHING, no matter how inocuous it seems to them, that precipitated problems.

I've not had one problem with them for the last 5 years.
And I'm talking over 100 domains there.
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03-09-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Rorschach

the account wouldn't have been closed for fake whois info, I was still contactable... just as long as it looks like a real person they have no way of knowing whether that person actually exists or not.

for the dumbasses who just don't get it (JFPdude), the point is not to moralize about whether spamming SEs is right or wrong, the point is that anyone can get anyone else's godaddy account closed just by making a complaint about it.

assuming he sent the same email to godaddy that he did to namecheap - he doesn't include any logs, any IPs, or any proof that it was me doing the ref spamming, and there isn't an actual link from my domains to his if you actually look at it - they just took his word for it and took my shit.

what is ironic is that his url is useless and just got caught up in the churn...

You assume godaddy never contacted the host of the complaining domain and got the server logs... or that this domain is not using a godaddy name server which recorded every hit you sent to them and how...or that godaddy didn't do a trace route on your webpage links...or that godaddy didn't do a 2 min look up on alexia for that domain and see you pounding it in the "surfer also visited these sites section"...or they didn't google the complaining domain and click the "advance search" and choose "find pages that link to this page"...etc...etc...

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03-09-2005, 08:26 PM

I have heard of some of the nasty things that they do.

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