allof JJ's stuff is top notch. whats your problem with that?

when you can compete then bad mouth.

95%, yep thats more like it :pimp

I know people who like their "reality" porn to actually look like reality. Glossy done up high production reality porn defeats the purpose of "reality". Even some new site designs for reality sites turn off the surfers.

Give me a Handycam, $1,000, 5 boxes of magnums and a ticket to Brazil...I'll come back with a years worth. :1orglaugh

I do agree though that starting up a good solo site does take a nice chunk of change.

some guys are real funny.

another KO by aaron :thumbsup

netvideogirls does a good job of doing that

:1orglaugh

It's nice to work with people who really appreciate your talents and skills enought to pay you what you are worth...tha'ts for sure :thumbsup

Ah...BUT....

Netvideogirls pays their models VERY well.

I've personally been on set during a shoot there...Even shot a lot of the scene for them.

If they were producing that content for others, I'm sure they would sell it for a minimum of 2k per scene.

And yes.....NVG is one of the best examples of reality porn out there.

I shoot in hotels too - that's no excuse. Those 550's alone put out very hard / contrasty light and that's not very flattering to most girls who don't have great bone structure and skin. Softening the light anyway that you can will help out a lot. That could be shooting thru an umbrella, bouncing off a wall or shooting thru a white bedsheet. Next time you shoot in a hotel - take the white bedsheet off of the bed and clamp it between two stands and shoot your 550 thru it - it'll be gorgeous :thumbsup

What if the sheets have nasty stains on them?

Some people can only afford to shoot at The Roach Motel. :winkwink:

not ONE of the best examples - it is THE best example - and i've been saying it since before there was a Bangbus and a Milf Hunter, it's still the best. because he lives and breathes that concept and his life is pretty much what is in those scenes, it's as close to reality as you can get i think - there's nothing contrived about his concept, it's as old as the invention of the camera that photographers have been luring girls out of their clothes with promises of being in a swimsuit calendar.

I think this post has a lot of validity. These days it seems like the words "reality" and "exclusive" are being used interchangeably. I have found that our BEST converting site is the one with BY FAR the lowest cost per scene production-wise (take a look if you want, asiansextrip.com). You would call me a liar to my face if I told you what I got the guy to shoot these scenes for. Of course, the quality and production values are very low, and the scenes were shot overseas. This just adds to the realism of the site though...as youre watching these scenes, you could easily believe that they are genuinely real if you are an average surfer with your dick in your hand.

On the other hand, if you want extremely good DVD style quality to your scenes, you are going to have to pay (unless you really know where to look), and you are also going to lose the touch of reality somewhat IMO. This is totally fine if it is what youre going for (see the perfectgonzo sites). It all depends on what youre looking for.

I think both of you have some great points but you both are missing something too.

Content providers have really been shooting themselves in the foot over the last few years. A lot of foreign producers have not helped because they can shoot for less in a lot of cases.....BUT....That's no reason to fuck themselves and others out of money.

Let's use Nike for an example. Let's say that a good pair of Nike's starts at $80. Nike could manufacture those shoes in the US and still sell the same pair of shoes for the same price. Just because they are able to do it cheaper in another country does not mean that they should lower the price.

Now...Moving back to porn....If lower quality and more realistic content converts better...BTW...I've been selling my content on this basis for years now....Then why should I sell it for any less than DVD quality stuff that may not have the same potential for great conversions?

If a reasonable, good quality hardcore scene sells for 2k then so can a lower quality hardcore scene.

Hardcore is hardcore is hardcore. If you can make a better profit by shooting it cheaper and selling it for the same price then you are one dumb mother fucker for not doing so.

Yea - the nasty stains should warm up the temp of the light which will give the girl a warm pleasing skin tone. Stained sheets are good :thumbsup

content and models are much overpriced, I have seen bangbus paying their models usd 100

I can sell a great hardcore reality scene for 800. I do it all the time. The reason i can do it is that I have many revenue streams form that one production. if you think about it you can make money from that video in an unlimted number of way. I could even sell the video for free and still make back my costs with all the other ways I will use that content. For example, buyer gets web rights.. I retain DVD rights etc.. that is just one way. There are many others.

do you guys think that surfers acutally care about how realistic the acutal plot is?

I know they do. It's called member feedback and it tells us what we need to know.

And for the guy selling exclusive scenes for $800.....

Go read my reply about Nike.

SoBe is an idiot, no matter what name he goes by.

LOL...That would explain a lot. Thanks Kim. :thumbsup

any sites out there you consider have unrealistic plots?

Shitloads.

My personal opinion is that it's not so much the plot as they way it is shot and edited.

I get approached all the time by people who want "reality" content shot. Then they go on to tell me that they want sets and lighting like ultrawiredsex and so forth. They also want hi-res pictures not screen caps.

Now...The last time I picked a random chick up at a bar she didn't want anything to do with a video camera....Let alone an entire production crew standing by and then...Get this...For some reason, I don't think she would have wanted to shoot the scene over again so that we could get hi-res pics without the flash interfering with the video. To top it all off.....She even got pissed when I suggested I call a friend to shoot it all while we fucked.

I know how to produce true looking reality sites. Most people don't even know what they really are.

Damn it...I want a fucking group hug.

i do agree with you about the high res pics, but thats what affilates want to promote the sites

Fuck em and find your own traffic pumps. I have a site that I shot the way I think it should be that's converting at 1:160 today including all sources of traffic...Exits, TGP, SE, Review sites, etc......

I'll take a 1:160 conversion ratio any day of the week.

Thumbs up to Aaron on this thread.
After producing hundreds of hardcore reality scenes for numerous programs, our prices remain the same, $2-$3k per scene.

We get offers to shoot new scenes for less every week and I won't do it. Talent is NOT the only cost involved. A good shooter has tons of other variables:

- Some expeneses are figured into every shoot cost. We shoot with 2 cameras, thus another camera person. Condums, lube, refreshements for talent and crew. Then there's tons of post production time, which means paying an editor.
- Monthly Fixed expeneses that average out to an additional few hundred dollars per shoot need to be figured in: cost of the studio/location, including: power, phone, dsl, insurance, etc.
- Annual expenses are part of a pro's expenses: upgrading equipment, upgrades to props and studio, attorney fees, taxes, etc.

Sure there's guys that live in an apt, shoot with junk equipment at a sleazy hotel, that can pump out stuff cheaper. I hear the war stories all the time from my customers: "they were always late on updates", "the quality sucked", etc. Pumping out a weekly reality hardcore scene with new girls, fully scripted, edited and encoded, on time for numerous sites is serious business, for the pro shooters and for the customers that buy them.

I understand what youre saying. But the problem with your scenario comes down to simple economics. Nike can go overseas to get their shoes made really cheap and yet still sell there here for big $$ only because the demand for the shoes is there no matter where it is being made. A kid on the schoolyard doesnt give a fuck if 13 year old Long Duck Wong is slaving away for 20 hours a day to make his shoes in Taiwan, as long as he has the newest Jordans on his feet hes a happy camper. With porn, you have people in other countries who can shoot it cheaply, and people here whose production costs are higher. Given the choice of both at equal prices, most people buying the content will take the stuff shot here because the quality is probably higher, better english, etc. Thats why the foreign producers lower their prices, to meet the demand for their product, not to fuck over producers here in the States.

:thumbsup

maybe they want to shoot a lot of episodes :)
1000 episodes 1 milion for you .....

Let's see Steve really started pushing Lightspeed in 2000 or 2001?

Point on AaronM - nice to see someone else pointing this out.

Also depends on situation.Right now I am shoting 5 solo videos (and I produce quite a good videos ) for 900 bucks including custom Tshirt.That guy simply pushed on me so long that I decided to do it.
Anyway people think that production costs nothing or maybe just model fees.
Anyway I like the style of Paul Markham he always says "pay me 300 USD per solo photoset and you will get it".Thats why I send people to him to ask for the price - they always come back and they are happy with my pricing then :pimp

Over the years i´ve been a fan of the content JJ has on its sites and i even contacted him a few times to give him props about it. Is hot, sexy, does the job.

But you have no idea the amount of content we have shot (and the amount and quality that Nick / Steve has shot over the years)... we can definitively compete, Focus Adult has been compiting and winning over the years, we are definitively one of the top content providers. If you havent heard from us, you might be really fresh into this biz or living under a rock ; )

So let´s play nice for a while. =) no animosity at all, i do feel Aaron´s frustration because i know Steve deals with the exact same thing each day.

If you are not familiar with our content (i rarely do this) SEE SIG!

So Focus Adult is a European company, correct? Do you guys price your stuff the way Aaron has suggested, in order to better the bottom line of the content-producing industry as a whole? I'm interested to hear...

This is a good thread, somewhat of an anomoly for this place lately...

well the photography i'm seeing posted on the board should sell for the prices you mention, if even that much . . . (not referring to you my good man)

regards, bmb

For $3k you could get a girl to pose for the whole month here in Brazil (AT LEAST 1 MONTH).

BTW: How much does a reality scene like bangbus would cost?

Do you shoot any gay content Aaron?

Mark

Yeah...And as we all know...Solo Brazilian girl sites are in high demand these days. :1orglaugh

No.

8 characters

$500 - 120 fotos + 15 minutes of video.
This is good price :)

This is the part where I call you a fucking moron.

Thank you for playing...Now see your silly ass out of my thread please.

Ta ta.

It is funny how you content providers respond to some competition. I can do these shoot for 800 dollars and I do them all the time. You can talk all ths shit you want about the quality of SoBeGirl but the fact is they sell. . Old man Paul Dorkham used to tell me that there is no way my stuff can wind up on DVD and it is not good enough blah blah , and then I get a major distributor making a 20 DVD deal with me. The only thing I don't like about shooting exclusives is having to deal with overdmanding and cheap website operators who are never satisifed. I love the way you faggots bash me becuase you cannot figure out how the fuck SoBeGirl stays in business this long and sells stuff so affordably and sells so much. It is like I said. I put my effrots into the technology that makes all this happen. If you do that correctly.. you can sell great stuff really cheap and make the competition wonder how the fuck it gets done for that price. It is not my problem if I confuse you all with the way I run the biz. When you are confused and don't understand how something it is done in this biz you should not toss around deragatory phrases. You should try to understand and figure out how you can make your business better and more competitive.

Kindly keep your shit out of my threads.

Thank you.

That is whay I mean.. All you can do is toss around bad words where you see things that confuse you. This is not your thread AA. This is our thread. This is Lensmans board not yours.

First of all....Did you even attend high school? You have the worst spelling I have ever seen on an adult board.

Secondly....Nobody is confused here. Just because I do not agree with your business practices does not make me confused.

Finally....I started this thread...That's why my name is on it and not yours or Lensman's.

Perhaps it's time to ban you again.

I think you would be surprised.My friend Robert shoot some stuff for them here in Czech.
They are paying him well

AA, you gotta deal with it man. You are competing with guys from all over the world. I basically am in Latin America so that is part of my advantage. Why would anyone want to ban me? I have not said anything false.

Let me give you another example of how things can be done. You can produce something for someone and get something in return from that person that is worth more to you than just your production that you made. What you got in return might not be that valuable to the guy so he is happy with the trade.

But in that case you would have to be more than what you are which is probably just basically a guy running around with a camera. This is why you have to charge so much for your productions. Once again like I said before it is about the technology. Control that and you will make more money. But it takes smarts and lots of money and Ifrom what I hear you come up a little short on both of those.