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  • Lifer
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2004
    • 871
    #1

    Sponsor Scam or Innocent Mistake?

    I spent a year promoting 18 Honeys... using their suggested shortened CCBill link codes, generating galleries with their gallery generator, and using their templates.

    The only problem is...

    Those templates never passed the cookie like it was suppose to.

    I was checking my affiliate links... pulled up a 18 Honey's gallery... and took a look at the source code.

    This was embedded in the template code:

    a href="hxxp://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924879-0000&PA=&HTML=hxxp://www.18honeys.com/home.htm"

    The problem is... my affiliate number is not passed in the citation. The link should read:

    ... CA=924879-0000&PA=589915&HTML ...

    And it wasn't just one template... I found at least four. There might have been more.

    I posted this at Xbiz and as you might expect, Dickmann et al came flying out of the wood work, stumbling all over them selves, saying that they were going to bump me up to 65% for life, just needed my personal information, gonna send me an email and do the right thing... bla bla bla.

    I never heard anything. Nothing. Zip. Shit.

    Since they never got back to me, I figured that they are full of crap and just didn't want me to post anything on another board. If I kept quiet... maybe I would go away.

    So I figure... what the hell.

    You all have a right to know that those Dickmann templates have been cheating you for a long time.

    And Bruno... The funny thing is, I never really wanted anything from you.

    But when you make a promise, whether it be to be an honest partner to your affiliates, or get back to someone in a timely manner, you should keep your promises.
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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204
      #2
      Nice, i love these kinda threads!

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        • pradaboy
          sell me your banners
          • Dec 2003
          • 12931
          #3
          whoah popcorn so early in the morning
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            • Dirty F
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 59204
              #4
              Originally posted by pradaboy
              whoah popcorn so early in the morning

              Not bad eh?

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                • iggysick
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 8743
                  #5
                  This thread will get interesting I guess

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                    • Chio The Pirate
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 946
                      #6
                      YARGH! All those to blame should be made to walk the plank on me yellow kayak 'o' death! I've got a heard of squigly squids waiting to feast. Maybe you should have been checkin' yer links a bit sooner? Back to waxin' me peg leg!
                      YARGH! AHOY me hearties!

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                        • sonofsam
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 18642
                          #7
                          i <3 you chio
                          I like turtles.

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                            • ThumbWolf
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 154
                              #8
                              Sig Insertion

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                                • $5 submissions
                                  I help you SUCCEED
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 32195
                                  #9
                                  Someone posted a thread about the CCBILL syntax issue a while back as well. It depends on the formatting.

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                                    • hova
                                      Traffillionaire
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 22430
                                      #10
                                      I get sick when I eat popcorn before 6
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                                        • Trax
                                          [----------------------]
                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 14486
                                          #11
                                          I don't think he would risk his reputation by using such a stupid way to shave which is why I think it is a mistake.

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                                            • StuartD
                                              Sofa King Band
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 29903
                                              #12
                                              Bruno's never done anything to make me think he'd cheat anyone for anything.

                                              Still though, gotta get the siggy out for the drama.
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                                                • Lifer
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 871
                                                  #13
                                                  That is what I thought Trax...

                                                  But why did he try to blow smoke up my ass?

                                                  "Send us your information and we will bump you up to 65% for life". He had all the information he needed.

                                                  I will email you and do the right thing... He sent no emails.

                                                  Why even say something like that in the first place?

                                                  I didn't ask him for anything. My original post was to inform people to use long CCBill link citations whenever possible.

                                                  When he said all those empty promises, it was just bull shit.

                                                  Why try to bullshit me whan I didn't want anything and wasn't pissed?
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                                                    • Chio The Pirate
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 946
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                      i <3 you chio
                                                      YARGH! You can't tell from me pic, but I be blushin' Now back to your booty, and your treasure maps before I fill yer belly with me swordfish beak!
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                                                        • newbreed
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 9898
                                                          #15
                                                          I just wanted to point out to Stuart that your sig now appears on the right-hand side of sig area. If you did it on purpose, np, just a heads up.

                                                          Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                          I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                          fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                            • Trax
                                                              [----------------------]
                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                              • 14486
                                                              #16
                                                              maybe he forgot or something went wrong... i donno... lets wait till bruno can say whats up... why would he offer you 65% and then take it back... he doesn't need to do this I'd say...
                                                              we will see...

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                                                                • DutchTeenCash
                                                                  I like Dutch Girls
                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                  • 21684
                                                                  #17
                                                                  looks like the SHTML is fucked up, its the same way our galleries work

                                                                  hxxp://www.dutchteengalleries.com/mma/10/index.shtml?CCBILLCODE

                                                                  what i would do : have you send a month traffic, see how you convert and id pay 6 months or put the aff percentage at 99,99%

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                                                                    • newbreed
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 9898
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Lifer
                                                                      That is what I thought Trax...

                                                                      But why did he try to blow smoke up my ass?

                                                                      "Send us your information and we will bump you up to 65% for life". He had all the information he needed.

                                                                      I will email you and do the right thing... He sent no emails.

                                                                      Why even say something like that in the first place?

                                                                      I didn't ask him for anything. My original post was to inform people to use long CCBill link citations whenever possible.

                                                                      When he said all those empty promises, it was just bull shit.

                                                                      Why try to bullshit me whan I didn't want anything and wasn't pissed?
                                                                      Totally my here, but we have bumped affiliates for pointing out things that seemed strange even though they were wong. Not saying you are, but it's happened before. There are a couple affiliates we have that give us code tips and usability warnings and we take better care of them for it as our way of saying Thanks.

                                                                      edit - I can't imagine why he wouldn't follow throguh with the bump though.

                                                                      Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                      I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                      fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                        • StuartD
                                                                          Sofa King Band
                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                          • 29903
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by newbreed
                                                                          I just wanted to point out to Stuart that your sig now appears on the right-hand side of sig area. If you did it on purpose, np, just a heads up.
                                                                          Made you notice and point it out right?

                                                                          I'm just trying to be different for a little bit, see how it goes.
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                                                                            • newbreed
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 9898
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD
                                                                              Made you notice and point it out right?

                                                                              I'm just trying to be different for a little bit, see how it goes.
                                                                              Yeah, but I have seen it many times before . Didn't make me want to click, made me think you messed up your code. Not slamming man, just thought you made a mistake.

                                                                              Loryn ‎(3:16 PM):
                                                                              I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha
                                                                              fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

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                                                                                • Lifer
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                  • 871
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Don't get me wrong.

                                                                                  I didn't want the bump.

                                                                                  I even didn't notify 18 Honeys that I found the mistake.

                                                                                  I simply posted a thread saying that long CCBill citations were better than short ones and used Bruno's template as an example where mistakes could be made.

                                                                                  Bruno came running in making the promises for no reason.

                                                                                  I never asked for anything and never expected anything.

                                                                                  But he said those thing, in my opinion, to keep me from posting the board with the mistake.

                                                                                  If any of you know me from XBiz, you know I would never acccept anything for free. But when Bruno made all those bullshit statements that were about as unsincere as could be, I wondered why.

                                                                                  That is why I posted the boards.

                                                                                  To ask if I have wasted my time for the last year promoting a cheat?

                                                                                  Like someone said, I guess I should have checked the links better... but who really goes and looks at template code? Just me, I guess.

                                                                                  So Bruno just acted guilty with the false promises routine... and he didn't have to do that since I didn't ever want anything from the beginning.

                                                                                  Understand?
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                                                                                    • StuartD
                                                                                      Sofa King Band
                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                      • 29903
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by newbreed
                                                                                      Yeah, but I have seen it many times before . Didn't make me want to click, made me think you messed up your code. Not slamming man, just thought you made a mistake.
                                                                                      Heh, no worries... it's ok, like I said, I'm just trying something new. NichePay isn't even taking any new affiliates at the moment while we do our upgrades, so it's mostly just for show at the moment anyway.
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                                                                                        • Bruno
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                          • 1241
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          18HONEYS OFFICIAL POST

                                                                                          Lifer,

                                                                                          Here we go, as straight to the point as possible:

                                                                                          ONE: I have bumped your account to 65% MYSELF on the next day after I posted about it on XBiz. I have been around for years man. Since I turned 18 years old I am in the biz. And I NEVER NEVER NEVER broke my word. I will be in biz for LIFE. Its challenging, its profitable and I fucking LOVE IT.


                                                                                          TWO: *WHY* did I offer a bump if you didn´t ask for it? Not a single reason other than thanking you for pointing this out, as suggested by someone else on the Xbiz Thread. So there you go. Your assumption about me being a bullshitter is plain wrong.


                                                                                          THREE: We contacted you man. Thiago, my Operations manager, sent a couple messages by iCQ and then emailed you to get online and talk to us. So please... think about it.. do you think I would risk my 5 year reputation by promising something I can´t or wouldn´t deliver?

                                                                                          FOUR: Once again... I am deeply sorry for our mistake. I wrote that a douzen times already but it seems like you don´t believe it. Believe it or not, I am.We fixed it IMMEDIATELY after your post letting us now about it.

                                                                                          If you have any other questions or concerns, just reply to the emails and iCQ messages we sent you.

                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                          Bruno Dickman
                                                                                          work hard. play hard.

                                                                                          http://www.dickmansdesign.com
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                                                                                            • Jimatcohf
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                              • 277
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              You tell em bruno, look in the 3 years of dealing with bruno, i can tell you at no time has bruno or his staff every broken a promise, we spend tens of thousands a year with dickmans and trust me his reputation is golden, I guess lifer you should have checked your payouts before coming in here and trying to flame bruno, when you fuck with one of the most honest and straight forward guys in the business you are doing the wrong thing. I am sure you have the emails to bruno and his staff, did you ever email them asking about this. If you werent pissed and didnt expect anything why on earth would you have done these posts, to try and deface a rock solid reputation of an owner and company. Doesnt make sense, sounds like and sadly you will get plenty of sig views for your efforts, however I am removing my sig from this post since I could care less about sig views, and only coming to the side of a very good and trusted friend in this business, take your flaming somewhere else, find a dirty program or bad person and attack them, but leave the dickmans out of your shithole

                                                                                              Jim
                                                                                              General Manager
                                                                                              COHF
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                                                                                                • Lifer
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 871
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Well Bruno...

                                                                                                  Prove it that you bumped it to 65 % on Friday.

                                                                                                  I really don't give a shit since I never wanted anything to start with.

                                                                                                  No one contacted me ICQ or emailed me.

                                                                                                  I never asked you for anything in the first place.

                                                                                                  I just pointed out the error.

                                                                                                  You were the man with all the tall talk when challenged by someone else on the board. I didn't tell you to say all that shit.

                                                                                                  If you say you would contact me... you should have done so. When you didn't do what you said you would do, it told me that you were blowing me off. What else was I to think?

                                                                                                  You didn't have to do anything in a PM, email, or ICQ. The question was posted on a board. Why not answer it on the board? You didn't need my personal information as you posted... you just got finished saying that you bumped me without it. So why say that you needed the information?

                                                                                                  It's your affiliates that got cheated all year not mine.

                                                                                                  Now you are pissed at me.

                                                                                                  It was never about you, 18 Honeys or the fucking template. It was always about affiliates using long CCBill citations whenever possible.

                                                                                                  If i had been pissed... I would have posted the boards last week.

                                                                                                  You not getting back to me was bull shit and you know it. I knew damn right well that you monitor the boards, and as soon as I said anything more, you would finally get back to me.

                                                                                                  Forget it man... I always did the best I could for you... even notified you when they were fuskering your ass last year and stealing bandwidth.

                                                                                                  I didn't ask for you to stroke me... so don't promise that you will.
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                                                                                                    • Lifer
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 871
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Mr. General Manager Afraid to post with your real nick:

                                                                                                      Bruno already admitted that the templates were fucked up.

                                                                                                      You need to go back to grammer school and reading comprehension.

                                                                                                      I posted because Bruno tried to blow smoke up my ass.

                                                                                                      I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. I have the screen shots where the templates were bad. He has posted at XBiz that the templates were bad

                                                                                                      So what are you defending?
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                                                                                                        • deleteduser
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                                          • 2218
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          bruno is a standup guy, i know him for years. no offence, but i believe there is a misunderstanding.
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                                                                                                            • Lifer
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                              • 871
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I'm sure it is a misunderstanding.

                                                                                                              But why did I have to bring it to the boards to get an answer?
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                                                                                                                • undermyspell
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 875
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Bruno and his entire crew are stand up guys... I would trust him above any other's i've met. If he says he bumped your payout then I would wager my last dollar that he did. Not to attack anyone else here but Bruno's word is as good as gold in my book...

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                                                                                                                    • Lifer
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                      • 871
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I just wanted to close this topic since I started all the drama.

                                                                                                                      I talked with Bruno... and I am sure that the mistake in the templates was really a mistake. I never meant to imply otherwise.

                                                                                                                      There must have been a communications problem for one reason or another... since I expected to be contacted and wasn't. I took it the wrong way when it very well may have been a real communication problem.

                                                                                                                      I should have known better than to think anything but the best from 18 Honeys... after all I have supported them in the past, they have supported me in the past, and want to promote them in the future.

                                                                                                                      So anyone reading this post after the fact can rest assured that I consider 18 Honeys and The Dickmann Design team to be people of their word.

                                                                                                                      And I look forward to working with them in the future.
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                                                                                                                        • justsexxx
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                          • 13723
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Everyone can make mistakes. You found out, let him know,and he gave you 65%.

                                                                                                                          I know Bruno for many many years, and there is no advantage of making such abvious mistakes on purpose.

                                                                                                                          Andre
                                                                                                                          Questions?

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                                                                                                                            • irishfury
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                              • 2611
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Yeah I would take it up with party involved.
                                                                                                                              Trust no one there all snakes

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                                                                                                                                • Jace
                                                                                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 35562
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by irishfury
                                                                                                                                  Yeah I would take it up with party involved.
                                                                                                                                  wow, don't like to read the thread much huh?

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                                                                                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 35299
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I may be off here but I have a question about this. If you link to a gallery like this with ccbill: a href="hxxp://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924879-0000&PA=589915&HTML=hxxp://www.18honeys.com/somegallery.html (made up gallery of course)

                                                                                                                                      And then all the links on the hosted gallery have such links as a href="hxxp://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924879-0000&PA=&HTML=hxxp://www.18honeys.com/home.htm" with no account number whatsoever.

                                                                                                                                      Then would it not set your cookie once you linked to the gallery and it was clicked. Then any other such links as long as they did not have another affiliate account number just pass on the traffic as normal and keep reading your cookie that was placed with the initial link? Since there is no new cookie overriding your initial cookie.

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                                                                                                                                        • flashfire
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                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 13098
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          seems like a bit of a scam to me

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                                                                                                                                            • VegasSEGirl
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 267
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                                                                                                                                              I may be off here but I have a question about this. If you link to a gallery like this with ccbill: a href="hxxp://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924879-0000&PA=589915&HTML=hxxp://www.18honeys.com/somegallery.html (made up gallery of course)

                                                                                                                                              And then all the links on the hosted gallery have such links as a href="hxxp://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924879-0000&PA=&HTML=hxxp://www.18honeys.com/home.htm" with no account number whatsoever.

                                                                                                                                              Then would it not set your cookie once you linked to the gallery and it was clicked. Then any other such links as long as they did not have another affiliate account number just pass on the traffic as normal and keep reading your cookie that was placed with the initial link? Since there is no new cookie overriding your initial cookie.
                                                                                                                                              Yes, that is how it works. I think if you were to click all the way to the join page, the affiliate id would be there. The ccbill code doesn't know the difference between it being a gallery on the domain or part of the tour, so it all works the same.


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                                                                                                                                                • After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                  It's coming look busy
                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 35299
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by VegasSEGirl
                                                                                                                                                  Yes, that is how it works. I think if you were to click all the way to the join page, the affiliate id would be there. The ccbill code doesn't know the difference between it being a gallery on the domain or part of the tour, so it all works the same.
                                                                                                                                                  I thought that was the case.
                                                                                                                                                  Also if they do it the way I showed, would it not start counting the click at the entrance to the gallery. Thus you would literally know your conversion ratio from the point you droped the surfer into the sponsors hands (at the hosted gallery).

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                                                                                                                                                    • GiantGnome
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 4344
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I talked with Bruno... and I am sure that the mistake in the templates was really a mistake. I never meant to imply otherwise.


                                                                                                                                                      I never heard anything. Nothing. Zip. Shit.

                                                                                                                                                      Since they never got back to me, I figured that they are full of crap and just didn't want me to post anything on another board. If I kept quiet... maybe I would go away.

                                                                                                                                                      So I figure... what the hell.

                                                                                                                                                      You all have a right to know that those Dickmann templates have been cheating you for a long time.



                                                                                                                                                      Yeah right.
                                                                                                                                                      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-Darth Vader

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