TGP Gallery vs FreeSites

Freesite = 4 pages

Not good for the money/traffic now when you submit but if you know your shit later you can see s.e traffic to it and them make profit.

Gallery = 1 page
Good for quick profit and traffic but then worthless.

Initial traffic is less. But CTR is a lot higher and the conversions are higher.

freesites are more optimized for SE's

Agree.

With TGP's you better promote a good niche and hope it converts.

not true, when you know how to make freesites you can definetly pull a lot of sales directly of the listings

Why couldn't you just build freesites and submit them to the TGPs?

Do both. You can never have enough traffic.

are you serious? do you know what a freesite is?...galleries can also get pick up by search engines

The only text most people ever use is Click Here to Join

and the even make that into a .gif sometimes
Any site can be spidered but not listed high enough for traffic.

Make sure you use your meta tags on whatever you submit, whether TGP or Free.

you don't do alt tag....i usually do, not saying you'll get a number 1 listing in google but who knows

No, not really, hence the thread. LOL

From what I understood it was a glorified TGP gallery with more content, that is optimized for SEs. Am I missing something? If I have it correct, why can't these be submitted to TGPs?

A freesite consists of 4 pages with 3 outgoing links each. That's 12 links in the surfer's face. Plus, if you're smart, you make your surfer go from Gallery 1 back to the main page before going to Gallery 2. So he gets even more ads in his face.

When you submit a freesite, you'll get less traffic, but it's higher quality. The good linklists out there get thousands of SE hits everyday, and they trade with other sites getting thousands of SE hits. We're not talking shit TGP skim traffic here.

If you know how to build a proper freesite and get it listed at some of the bigger sites, you'll make sales for months and months (including several initial sales). And if you know even just a little about SEO (meta tags, alt tags, keyword-rich text), your sites will get listed by the SEs and you will get traffic from them.

Emailed and ICQd you months ago for a design...
Maybe one day you'll get back

As Alex said earlier, a freesite is 4 pages. You have an entrance/warning page, a main page and two gallery pages. You're building a site as opposed to a gallery. Your surfer effectively has to go through 2 pages of ads before he gets the porn. No TGP would list a freesite. And a freesite is not a glorified TGP gallery.

Ah, ok. I think I got it.

It seems that you can submit the tgp galleries faster, and to more sites, but the traffic is very short lived. The link list traffic seems to last longer, and is better targeted. Doing both is the best option. But make sure if you do submit the tpg galleries, to put text on the actual pages.

This inst fucking hard

Not four pages of thumbnails
Only two regular TGP galleries

One Warnign mage and a mian page with ads linking to the two galleries

So, I'm guessing that the best method is to create a freesite, break out the 2 content pages into 2 TGP galleries, and submit both to their respective homes.

Bingo

Alex, I'll email you.

Ok, makes sense now. I never really messed with freesites before. Maybe I'll give a couple a try and see how they do. Thanks for the info!

Submit 100 freesites in 100 days! THEN you'll notice some difference in your sales

Create free sites for 4 years and you will thank yourself that you decided to go that route

And it'll be a lot nicer than 100 galleries in 100 days. Easier on the bandwith too.

So what about submitting? How do you guys submit your freesites?

There is no money in freesites ! (don't steal my traffic ! :D)

Your freesites stats tool is pretty interesting. I'm probably going to order it sometime this week.

By hand or with the help of a form filler sucjh as roboform. It's not like there are 1000s of LL to submit to like TGPs.

Freesites have higher ctr but the freesite game is becoming a losing battle and is not worth the effort for new people to get into anymore. You'll end up banging your head on your desk wondering how these link lists owners expect to make any money. Some of these link list owners don't want to make money anymore it seems and it affects your listings. They complain when they get too many of a certain niche submitted and guess who suffers? The submitter by not getting a listing.
They seem to be getting lazy and relying on recip links to pump up their traffic. I've noticed a steady increase in how much ass kissing and work it takes to get listed at link lists. The days of just submitting basic pages are going away. They want more personality, more design, more content, a lot less free content and are getting anal about how you compose your ad materials. You can't just say "visit xxxx.com for more pics of this girl" anymore. They consider it blind links and will fight to the death about it while their own sites decline in traffic. Ever try submitting a site that upsells to a free trial sponsor? Better not mention the word free in the ad materials because you won't get listed. Even though it is free to join.
They would rather sit there and bitch about it as opposed to trying to better their link lists by taking on more quality submissions. They lump people who have strong advertising into the same category as cheaters with their little usefulscript.whatever banning database. Effectively ruining the submitter's biz.
They seem to be driving good webmasters away with their analitities. If you have been submitting a long time, bent over backwards for them and have earned their trust then you're in luck. You'll make a lot of money off initial, stagnant and SE traffic from them.
If you're new to the freesite game or are wondering if you should start out in it, don't bother. Spend your time on TGP, SE and other various means of building traffic.
TGP is more anal than link lists owners in some aspect due to it being extremely hard to build a trust with them and gain partner accounts but once you're in, you're in. There is a lot more traffic available. Sure it dies down quickly once the listings rotate out but if you know what you're doing you could make enough money from it to warrant the short term traffic. If you REALLY have a brain about it you would be filtering through FPAs and SEO'ing the FPA to gain the search engines attention. You can also filter traffic to likewise programs or your own sites.. This is what I used to do when I was submitting and I would argue that I made more money from TGP than link lists this way. I only had a list of 33 TGPs and a list of 150 link lists.

I've used it for over a year now and it's one heck of a time saver. Especially if you submit across lots of domains

Just let me know when you're ready to order or if you have any questions

iwantchixx, you sound bitter ;)

Btw. there's lots of errors in your post, but that's ok. More for the people that are doing free sites. I know that I will not stop doing free sites any time soon

naw I'm not bitter about it. I just tell it like it is and many people agree with me on it. As for errors.. do you mean spelling errors? I didn't run it through my spell checker.

If you are doing well with freesites that's great, my clients do nicely as well but they have built up a reputation for themselves already with link lists. I'm just saying that it's not like it used to be. It used to be that they were more profitable than TGP but that's not the case anymore. The profitability of doing freesite campaigns is not what it used to be. There is now less traffic and listings are harder to come by while these link list owners are happy with making 3k a month from their sites and not looking to commit their time to doing business. So they hinder their submissions and the submitting webmasters suffer now. The money is just not what it used to be in the heyday of freesites.
That's all I'm saying.

about the meta tags: does the tag:
<meta name="ROBOTS" content="INDEX, FOLLOW">
work on subpages like galleries and free sites?

I would make both. TGP, TGP2, Freesites. You can use all the traffic you can get. Use your galleries to make a free site. Join your free sites together with a hub or hubs.

IMO iwantchixx is right. I know alot of webmasters oomplaining they are no longer getting near as much as traffic as they used to from LL while LL are demanding more and more from them (i.e. category recipts, no mirror page, no sponsors content, and so and so).

That tag really doesn't matter much, since spiders spider all links anyways.

True enough.

Come one folks, it's not mystery science theatre. If you've been submitting TGP's, just make two page (front pages) and piece together a free site, submit to link lists, and tada. Old TGP work is now a nice new free site ready for submission.

A note about optimizing the tgp pages for SE's.

Don't.

As Iwantchixx said, link to an FPA from the gallery and focus on getting that into the higher SE rankings.

What's the point of putting the free porn page into the SE when you can use the crawling you get from a well listed TGP to almost instantly index an aggressive network of full page ads or even tour pages.

BTW, good FPA's with text work 110% better on SE traffic than anything else.

nice topic, thanks for all

i do that shit too