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50 Extreme movies

Very interesting discussion. Bump for you guys! :thumbsup

erotica .... ahhhh the good ole days

a shame its gone in so many young minds
and a bigger shame its oft times replaced with humiliation and/or degradation *sigh*

"contemporary community standards".

Can that be applied to, for example, a movie you specifically seek out, purchase, and have shipped in a cardboard box to your home for your own private viewing?

They're going to *force* 12 jurors to view it and expect them to judge YOUR interpretatoin of "artistic"? Whats next, have them eat my LUNCH and tell me if *I* think it tastes good? Idiocy!

I want to view the tv shows, books, magazines and movies that you're viewing in the "privacy" of your own home and judge them please.
Any volunteers?

BTW: I'm only ranting on about how absurd I think the legal challenge itself is. It seems a ridiculous waste of federal money. Go find some law breakers and prosecute them why dont they? :( How about spending the money on securing borders or inspecting cargo containers? bah humbug.

This is about my rights as an adult, my freedom to choose to watch what I want, to purchase this product and enjoy it in the privacy of my own home.

Non-porn television which is super violent and often hardcore in nature, rape, mind fucking, whacked out drug movies are no worse than hardcore porn which feature the same thing, fake rapes, murders, etc. One shows nudity, the other shows nuclear bombs. As an adult if you CHOOSE to watch this type of TV / Porn, then nobody should be allowed to stop you or tell you that you can?t.

As long as EA actors/actress knew about the situations, signed a waver, releases, and all that BS, then no mater how you look at it, they are acting in a movie. It may be distasteful to you, but so what, you are not buying the damn thing.

Obscenity is our community standard. Meaning your neighbors are telling YOU what you can and can?t view. The effects of Obscenity cases go well beyond EA and our little industry. It affects our personal lives, freedoms, and choices.


Just how I look at it.

So, its fine for Hollywood to show the sickest behavior, because the "self regulate"? Its fine for them to show rape and necrophillia becuase they cant see the actual penetration?

Thats crap.

Anything involving Consenting Adults is fine. I may not watch it, I may not have it in my house, but its not my place to say that someone else cannot have it.

You say there may be a line drawn? I dont want a line drawn at all! Why? Who draws the line? Who is to say that it cant be drawn into what I like, etc. The people drawing the line may not like any porn at all. Yes, reasonable adults may set the line at a reasonable place, but I dont believe lots of adults in government are reasonable when it comes to this.

So, reguardless of what I think of Extreme Associates (I dont watch their videos so I cant comment on them) the government should stay out of my private life, and should not tell me what I can and cannot watch to get my rocks off. Consenting Adults should be the only test to see if something is legal or not.

While the crap that Rob shoots is in extremely poor taste, if you look at what's on the internet -- not just porn but the rotten.com type sites and so on -- it's very hard to build a case using Miller as the definitive standard for one big reason -- there's no definition of whether or not the internet is a community unto itself or whether its the area that produced the content, hosts the content, downloads the content or bills for the content that's the community.

Establishing that is the first thing that will have to happen. The dismissal of Rob's case by the judge basically stated that the internet is a community, albeit an electronic one instead of a physical one.

Should be interesting to see what comes of all this, though it will probably take years to be sorted out.

exactly, stacycat... glad to see i'm not the only one in texas who feels this way. as long is all consensual, and no underrage individuals are involved, i could give a flying fuck what turns anyone on... from scat to bloodletting to abusive gagging sessions, its all good if someone likes it, as far as i'm concerned..

As long as they dont lie to the girl and say its just another normal shoot, then fine.

If the girls getting what she asked for, AND PAID FOR IT, who fucking cares???

None of this shit just shows up on someones screen unless theyre looking for it.

This material is for sick bastards. I will never promote this shit.

get bent, commie... go get saved or something.. http://twash.com/iku/leperkiss.gif

I think it should never be considered obscene if everyone is above the age of 18, consenting, and no one is hurt. If those requirements are met and its still enforced its simply a police state.
Duke

Its a slippery slope, because by the logic some people are using, drugs, prostitution, gambling should all be 100% legal.

I really dont know where the line should be drawn.

At one time people thought that horror films like Scream would corrupt our childrean and cause situations like Columbine to happen... If someone wants to buy something and the creation of the content isn't illegal, then the products themselves should not be illegal either.

To answer the original questions: no on all three counts. I find the material distasteful.

However, that doesn't have anything to do with whether it should be legal and/or considered "obscene." I choose not to produce, sell, or watch that kind of content. I wouldn't even think of saying that other people shouldn't.

Think about it: the models know what they're getting into and presumably want to do it, the people producing it similarly know and want what they like, and the people buying it have made the same decision about what they want.

Who the fuck are we, or anyone else, to say "yeah, nobody got hurt, it was all consensual and play-acted, and nobody was forced into it, but *we* don't like it so you shouldn't do it"?

There is enough non-consensual violence in the world that I find it totally absurd that anyone would consider this kind of consensual play-acting to be worthy of rebuke, let alone government regulation and/or prosecution.

Cheers
-b